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The pain in the rear end of playing Hib was having to hump it out to Emain every time you died instead of just going to a portal keep.
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I love the minstrel too much to play anything but alb.
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Mar 6, 2015 22:34
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Kazvall posted:I love the minstrel too much to play anything but alb. Truth. Haven't found a mmo class quite like it.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:20
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To add to that: no other MMO has done the stealth mechanic quite like daoc and for that the world has suffered.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:55
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Kazvall posted:To add to that: no other MMO has done the stealth mechanic quite like daoc and for that the world has suffered. I've never really understood why other games haven't just stolen the more successful mechanics from DAoC, all other mmos borrow eachother's mechanics, but no one has used the actual good ones from DAoC: Realm Ranks/Abilities, Stealth, Go Fast Classes, Positional combat. It routinely boggles my mind. Especially when games continually use the poo poo ones like keeps. gently caress keeps, goddamn.
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Mar 7, 2015 02:31
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I remember when playing on the pvp server I heard they made a cross realm PvE server that I promptly forgot about. How bad was it?
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Mar 7, 2015 03:42
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PriNGLeS posted:I've never really understood why other games haven't just stolen the more successful mechanics from DAoC, all other mmos borrow eachother's mechanics, but no one has used the actual good ones from DAoC: Realm Ranks/Abilities, Stealth, Go Fast Classes, Positional combat. It routinely boggles my mind. Especially when games continually use the poo poo ones like keeps. gently caress keeps, goddamn. FFXIV uses positional combat and style chains, so there's that.
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Mar 7, 2015 04:56
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Also the PVP ability system is almost exactly the same, not to mention 3-way PVP.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:03
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I remember when playing on the pvp server I heard they made a cross realm PvE server that I promptly forgot about. Gaheris (the pve server), is actually still active. It wasn't terrible if that was your thing.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:31
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Evernoob posted:All other games since clearly revealed the exact class your target opponent is. "Masking" your class was a real thing in DAoC. Yeah the limited target info was another nice touch that you don't see used anywhere else. Albs could run a full 8 man consisting of britons.
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Mar 7, 2015 18:27
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Kazvall posted:To add to that: no other MMO has done the stealth mechanic quite like daoc and for that the world has suffered. I hope Camelot Unleashed brings back the mechanic where you don't lose stealth if you oneshot a player
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Mar 7, 2015 21:55
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Flavahbeast posted:I hope Camelot Unleashed brings back the mechanic where you don't lose stealth if you oneshot a player Holy poo poo man. Level 24 kill task for that 2 hander on a shadowblade in thid. Best thing ever. Until they fixed the bug. 
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Mar 8, 2015 02:21
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I'll be rolling on mid with a few people to make an 8 man on Uthgard. Going with the cheese 3 healer/sham + 4 savages/zerk setup if anyone wants in, with a skald substitute if necessary.
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Mar 8, 2015 03:12
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Uthgard isn't up yet, and has not been announced yet either, has it? Stop getting my hopes up damnit. One thing DaoC also did right where all other PvP MMO's have failed is NOT trying to balance the classes for 1v1. Other games tried to do this, making all classes pretty bland in the progress. DAoC classes shine because they are super specialized and focused to do their thing well, and function in a team. Some classes couldn't solo for poo poo, and it was perfect.
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Mar 8, 2015 09:05
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Woodhouse posted:I'll be rolling on mid with a few people to make an 8 man on Uthgard. Going with the cheese 3 healer/sham + 4 savages/zerk setup if anyone wants in, with a skald substitute if necessary. ...A skald is absolutely necessary for a mid group. Unless you like getting shat on by mediocre hib groups.
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Evernoob posted:Uthgard isn't up yet, and has not been announced yet either, has it? Stop getting my hopes up damnit. I definitely agree on all points here. Some of the classes that couldn't solo for poo poo, if put in the hands of a determined and creative player could succeed in some instances. There was an aug healer on uthgard that liked to fight stealthers, and he won quite a bit.
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Mar 8, 2015 11:23
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PriNGLeS posted:...A skald is absolutely necessary for a mid group. Unless you like getting shat on by mediocre hib groups. I've seen people run skaldless groups for years. Not that I agree.
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Kazvall posted:I've seen people run skaldless groups for years. Not that I agree. I've only seen it done successfully on hybrid or caster heavy mid groups, rare as they are. Not to say they're not good, they're very underrated. Suppression runemasters are super nasty, probably the most underrated "viable group class" in the game, we ran one just about 90% of the time in the early days of Genesis, nearsight is so huge in that era. Mid cold train is good too, but given how most hib and alb groups run hybrid or pure caster - and overall synergize better than Midgard with those setups - it's hard to do well. I like blathering on about this game far too much. Help.
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Mar 9, 2015 02:41
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Kazvall posted:Holy poo poo man. Level 24 kill task for that 2 hander on a shadowblade in thid. Best thing ever. Until they fixed the bug. Ah, the days when casters were forced to /sit to regen mana. Go far enough back and you got double damage for Critshots on sitting targets. 
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Typical Pubbie posted:Ah, the days when casters were forced to /sit to regen mana. Go far enough back and you got double damage for Critshots on sitting targets. I miss many things about this game. But, not having cc immunity isn't one of them. Remember when midgard was absolute bullshit?
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PriNGLeS posted:I've only seen it done successfully on hybrid or caster heavy mid groups, rare as they are. Not to say they're not good, they're very underrated. Suppression runemasters are super nasty, probably the most underrated "viable group class" in the game, we ran one just about 90% of the time in the early days of Genesis, nearsight is so huge in that era. Mid cold train is good too, but given how most hib and alb groups run hybrid or pure caster - and overall synergize better than Midgard with those setups - it's hard to do well. Yeah, I ran with IKEA on hib on Genisis as a hero for awhile and I just remember one group giving us poo poo was a 3x healer mid train push group. Looked pretty fun so we decided to roll mid to try it out. And no, a skald is not necessary.
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Kazvall posted:I miss many things about this game. But, not having cc immunity isn't one of them. Remember when midgard was absolute bullshit? My first ever PvP experience in DAoC was leaving the portal keep in Thidranki and immediately getting mezzed/stun locked by a caster for what had to be more than a minute. Typical Pubbie fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Woodhouse posted:Yeah, I ran with IKEA on hib on Genisis as a hero for awhile and I just remember one group giving us poo poo was a 3x healer mid train push group. Looked pretty fun so we decided to roll mid to try it out. That was probably Rare or Roleplayers. I was in Roleplayers, we occasionally ran 3 healers but never became too fond of it. I don't remember IKEA a whole lot except for you guys' keep escapades, did you guys wear all black without guild cloaks for awhile?
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Skald is not mandatory to 'win fights' as most of the fights happened around MMF anyway, but not being able roam around at maximum speed sure is a big downer on the fun factor. Aug healer runspeed + sprint is okay, but not really fun. To make things worse if enemies recognize your group as badass and they can't beat you they will try to avoid the fights... which is like the worst thing ever. Also Adding a Skald has its merits besides the speed too. The increased resist songs can help against caster heavy groups, and their burst damage is sufficient to help in taking down a target quickly. They're also great at chasing and interrupting Druids/Clerics. For Hibernia the Bard is 100% mandatory due to so many different reasons, obviously. Reinforced by the fact they have to travel by foot to Emain. The Albion Minstrel is a weird class, but it has also secured its spot being the insta-mezzer and stunner and king of interrupts.
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King of Interrupts belongs to Skald. They have ranged snare, mez , and dd's as well as the potential to sticky melee with conquer spam. It's their primary function. Speed is just a nice bonus. Resist songs are worthless in a mid group since you'll almost always be running an aug(or trispec) healer and shaman.
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I never really played a song class but I thought those protective songs stacked with the resist buffs.
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Typical Pubbie posted:Ah, the days when casters were forced to /sit to regen mana. Go far enough back and you got double damage for Critshots on sitting targets. Holy poo poo, I think I just had something like a PTSD flashback. I need to go lie down.
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Not bringing a speed 5 class to an 8v8 group by design on a pre-ToA/OF server is just crazy.
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PriNGLeS posted:That was probably Rare or Roleplayers. I was in Roleplayers, we occasionally ran 3 healers but never became too fond of it. I don't remember IKEA a whole lot except for you guys' keep escapades, did you guys wear all black without guild cloaks for awhile? Blue & Yellow, and it was mostly during euro times. We ran the hero assist train on hib and we farmed zergs at keeps when there wasnt much 8v8 :P As for the whole skald debate, I'd still want to run one in group but it isn't "mandatory" is all I was saying. Mancave is rolling a Skald with us right off the bat because we'll be running one but you can easily run without it. 3x healer, skald, sham, 3x DPS, or 2x healer, skald, sham, RM, 3x DPS are all standard builds but Ive seen quite a few 3x healer, sham, 4x savage/zerk groups mostly because hib would run tank trains so its not like they will be extending. On paper you can say you can pre-kite for days with speed, but when the fight initiates CC and interrupts will keep you mostly grounded. Healer speed and sprint would be enough in that situation. I've heard AOTG is pretty insane though, so it seems a floating skald may seem ideal on Uth. And if your 3x healers and shaman arent taking care of interrupts and you need a skald to help out, you are doing something very, very wrong.
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shadok posted:Holy poo poo, I think I just had something like a PTSD flashback. I need to go lie down. It used to be much worse in the original Everquest in 1999 : To regen mana you not only had to sit down but actually open your spellbook (which blocked your whole screen) and press a little "meditate" button. After much complaining on the forums they gave caster classes the ability to sit and med automatically without opening the spellbook at level 30-something. Yep, oldskool MMO's were rough, uphill in the snow both ways, but we were happy we had it. One thing I lack in DAoC, which all modern MMO's have, are skills that affect positioning such as charge/blink/backdrop or whatever. However the /stick is something I really miss in other games. I am really curious which DAoC features they will simply borrow while making Camelot Unchained, which ones they will adapt/improve and which ones they will deliberately remove.
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Woodhouse posted:Blue & Yellow, and it was mostly during euro times. We ran the hero assist train on hib and we farmed zergs at keeps when there wasnt much 8v8 :P Yeah, sure. But nothing works perfectly in DAoC, sometimes things happen. I try to take a more practical and realistic approach to the game. 3 healer setups are super strong, bordering on overpowered, but they're boring and vulnerable to hybrid and caster setups. Looking forward to rolling you guys again as a Hib this time. I believe most of the folks I ran with on Genesis are going Hib this time around.
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I'm totally okay playing Hib the next time around. Been wanting to play a light Eld for a long time now.
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I keep telling myself I'll play two realms. But the reality is I'll make a raid character first, then a stealther, and then not feel like changing realms at all because I like stealthers too much and by loving golly you need a raid character if you want to get gear for your loving stealther. People don't even take Minsts in 8-mans for RvR. Which, is also mind boggling like our discussion about the Skald earlier. gently caress YOU ALBION PIGS WHO WON'T TAKE MY MINST! I can't even count the amount of small man raids I was not allowed on as a Mintrel. Especially DF. If I wanted to do prince or legion I had to form my own raid. EE: I blame lazy, afk Minstrels, actually. People were always amazed when I twisted songs and instruments in group, all the while meleeing or being CC. Kazvall fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Why would people be so selective for pve? As long as my group had end, pom, a healer and someone who could remotely act as a tank the 4 other spots could be pretty much anything? Wardens or Thanes tanking? Noprob.
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In albion on uthgard people only wanted theurg/cleric/reaver/paladin for pve small man groups. Sometimes a second reaver. Then people wouldn't have to split as much loot. Not to confuse this too much with just basic exp groups but anything decent loot became involved people get greedy.
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Alb PvE was pretty broken. A couple theurgs and a reaver and you broke the mob. And I think he was talking about PvE in the farming aspect, like drop mobs. i.e. Evern, Glacier Giant, etc. But as for RvR I don't really like the no-minst setup, but I can actually see the logic when you're playing Alb, whereas on mid you're just punching yourself in the balls for funsies doing that. Everything is so loving spread out class-wise on Alb, it's hard to justify a minstrel. But with SoS being minstrel only on Neo-Uthgard, they might be a thing again. PriNGLeS fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Ow right, the original realm abilities. Then I'm definitely playing Hibernia with their monopoly on Group Purge iirc. My very first character was upon release was a Warden, and that Thornweed Field -which was invisible- was totally bonkers. I'm not sure which other signature RA's will be exclusive to one realm under RA 1.0, it has been so long ago. But Group Purge and Speed of Sound are definitely right up there.
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So, was looking at camelot unchained and it tugged at my nostalgia a bit, liked some of the stuff they want to go for like no leveling and largely player made equipment, then I got to the furry and butt wing races and not sure what to think of it, whats the general consensus on it or is it way too early to tell?
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:So, was looking at camelot unchained and it tugged at my nostalgia a bit, liked some of the stuff they want to go for like no leveling and largely player made equipment, then I got to the furry and butt wing races and not sure what to think of it, whats the general consensus on it or is it way too early to tell? It's being led by Mark Jacobs - the bane of DAoC and Warhammer Online both. It'll probably be a steaming pile of poo poo, outright lies, and reneged promises. Dude is a scumbag. That being said it'll probably be fun for a month or two like just about every new MMO is.
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