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Fuzzy Mammal posted:
this will go great in my mono red self exile deck
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How is that not the red mythic?
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Mar 12, 2015 06:22
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How is that not the red mythic? Don't know but I'm grateful Also wow Vial was more disappointing than I expected
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Mar 12, 2015 06:26
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Vial of Dragonfire: Literally a much worse version of an ok Fallen Empires card.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:27
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Toshimo posted:Vial of Dragonfire: Literally a much worse version of an ok Fallen Empires card. Context is everything, though. 2 Damage is much more important in this limited format.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:30
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This will fit right into my every white Tiny Leaders deck.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:32
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TheKingofSprings posted:Don't know but I'm grateful It is somehow worse than the bow. I was not expecting an artifact worse than the bow...
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Mar 12, 2015 06:36
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It's way better than the bow because it kills morphs.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:40
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Rinkles posted:Wouldn't they have like 3 lands out? Well if I'm reading this card right, it'd let them play one of the lands they hit to get a fourth one... for whatever that's worth (i.e., not much).
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Mar 12, 2015 06:48
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qbert posted:Holy poo poo this card's insane. It's definately playable but I don't think it'd as good as some here are saying. It's actually dead in your opening hard for at least 6-7 turns so I can't see more than 2 being played in a deck.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:51
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mcmagic posted:It's definately playable but I don't think it'd as good as some here are saying. It's actually dead in your opening hard for at least 6-7 turns so I can't see more than 2 being played in a deck. At 4 mana it's basically Inspiration, anything more than that and it's very efficiently costed. Being able to untap and still use the cards you draw is very useful, the card would be pretty terrible without that.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:05
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I think aggressive red decks would still prefer Outpost Siege, but any GR deck will love this.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:11
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mcmagic posted:It's definately playable but I don't think it'd as good as some here are saying. It's actually dead in your opening hard for at least 6-7 turns so I can't see more than 2 being played in a deck. The problem with any red-draw effect right now is whether its better than Outpost Siege. Its not better than Outpost Siege because burn isn't a legitimate archetype in Standard and because its not permanent card advantage - If you exile three cards the likliehood that you can cast all three isn't very high. Maybe if you were running Sligh, but this card would be terrible in Sligh.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:11
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Hah, Heart-Piercer Bow sucked. Renowned Weaponsmith sucked. And now Vial of Dragonfire sucks. Good job wizards, you completed the cycle! 
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Mar 12, 2015 07:11
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Jabor posted:At 4 mana it's basically Inspiration, anything more than that and it's very efficiently costed. Being able to untap and still use the cards you draw is very useful, the card would be pretty terrible without that. Well the fact that you can do it at their eot is the only thing that makes it playable. Dungeon Ecology posted:Hah, Heart-Piercer Bow sucked. Vial is good in limited.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:15
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Devotion decks would have no problem Communing for obscene amounts or playing loads of the exiled cards, though.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:16
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Whether or not the card is playable is secondary to the fantastic flavor hit that the card's interaction with rebound is. Seriously, ha, nice work WoTC
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Mar 12, 2015 07:18
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Devotion decks would have no problem Communing for obscene amounts or playing loads of the exiled cards, though. Yeah but is this a better devotion deck mana sink than craters claws? Genesis hydra? Polukranos monsterous?
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Mar 12, 2015 07:20
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I dunno but I don't see why it would conflict with any of those cards. It lets you dig right into a Crater's Claws if that's what you want (unlike Genesis Hydra).
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Mar 12, 2015 07:22
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Balon posted:Context is everything, though. 2 Damage is much more important in this limited format. Have you actually played Fallen Empires limited? I haven't but I have to imagine a shock would be better in that format with how many reusable token generators were in the set and the generally low power level.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:22
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I dunno but I don't see why it would conflict with any of those cards. It lets you dig right into a Crater's Claws if that's what you want (unlike Genesis Hydra). Because you only have so many deck slots for cards that are really bad in your opening hand.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:24
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Polukranos is really bad in your opening hand in a deck that runs loads of ramp? For the record though yeah it's probably better than Genesis Hydra because it draws loads of cards instead of one and also you can use it to find your Crater's. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 07:25
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Toshimo posted:Vial of Dragonfire: Literally a much worse version of an ok Fallen Empires card. I was about to post that they should have just done a functional reprint, but then I double-checked something and guess what Aeolipile and Braingeyser have in common? quote:Official Reprint Policy (This card is on the reserved list) Wizards are the most amazing trolls ever.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:27
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Mikujin posted:This will fit right into my every white Tiny Leaders deck. It's like Journey to Nowhere, but worse!
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Mar 12, 2015 07:27
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JerryLee posted:I was about to post that they should have just done a functional reprint, but then I double-checked something and guess what Aeolipile and Braingeyser have in common? You say that, but just wait until Aeolipile starts seeing play in Legacy and it shoots up to 300 dollars you may have to wait a long time
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Mar 12, 2015 07:30
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Cernunnos posted:
 If they didn't put Ghostfire in FRF, no way it will be here. Ghostfire should have been Bathe in Dragonfire, even if its one mana less. Give me the ability to use future-shifted cards in Standard Wizards! I like how they said when the new Standard plan was released, they said they would start reprinting more things in sets to make up for the lack of a core set. There are still dozens of cards they redo in every set because of "flavor reasons" when its dumb and sucks. GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 07:32
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mcmagic posted:Vial is good in limited. I'm pretty sure 'good' is an overstatement. It's serviceable as removal for players who didn't get any good removal passed to them. I don't think many people are going to be stoked to pay 4 mana for 2 damage that can only be directed at creatures. And all of these cards are uncommon, so if you happen to land a Renowned Weaponsmith, it's not like you're jamming 4 vials of dragonfire and proceeding to tutor out damage. There aren't any ways to recur artifacts from the graveyard in this block, so it's not really re-useable either. It's really just a design flop. They had a chance to really nail a cross-set cycle that could really drive home the altered history element of the block. I went back in time and altered the course of history and all I got was this stupid vial. Dungeon Ecology fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 07:35
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I'm pretty sure the Ghostfire reference here is the +2 on Ugin, and Ghostfire will make it return in a set his walker card isn't in. But I'd be happy to be wrong.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:36
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I don't get why people care so much about a lovely carbonize that happens to be colorless.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:37
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Elyv posted:I don't get why people care so much about a lovely carbonize that happens to be colorless. The colorless part is potentially very relevant. It'd have to be a weird environment for it to be worth playing over more efficient burn, but it could happen.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:43
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Elyv posted:I don't get why people care so much about a lovely carbonize that happens to be colorless. The same reason someone got angry when I said "its dumb that dragons have to be 5+ CMC." Because every single person who posts in this thread in this thread is a huge loving goon with essentially nonsensical reasons for basically all of their opinions about Magic. 
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Mar 12, 2015 07:43
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Elyv posted:I don't get why people care so much about a lovely carbonize that happens to be colorless. me posted:Give me the ability to use future-shifted cards in Standard Wizards!
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Mar 12, 2015 07:45
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Elyv posted:I don't get why people care so much about a lovely carbonize that happens to be colorless. Because every future-shifted card they print puts us that much closer to Assembling some Contraptions.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:49
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Angry Grimace posted:The same reason someone got angry when I said "its dumb that dragons have to be 5+ CMC." Because every single person who posts in this thread in this thread is a huge loving goon with essentially nonsensical reasons for basically all of their opinions about Magic. Yes, the people who called you out for your "this set sucks all the dragons cost too much  " posts are the goony ones.
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Mar 12, 2015 07:50
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Yes, the people who called you out for your "this set sucks all the dragons cost too much to be fair he's not wrong on both points
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Mar 12, 2015 07:50
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TheKingofSprings posted:to be fair he's not wrong on both points You still never explained how current standard is "at the far end of overcosted."
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Mar 12, 2015 07:52
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If you take an average of the CMCs of the existing standard card pool it is pretty sluggish compared to RTR, ISD or Zendikar focused Standard decks, sure? I assume that is what he means? Or it could be an off the cuff remark he refuses to walk back because goon rep / goon cred so very important. edit: I mean cards people are actually casting and using. Spiderdrake fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 07:55
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Spiderdrake posted:If you take an average of the CMCs of the existing standard card pool it is pretty sluggish compared to RTR, ISD or Zendikar focused Standard decks, sure? I assume that is what he means? Average, maybe, but aggro is not only viable but one of the best performing strategies right now and it's getting a bunch of new playable cards in Dragons. Like if they did print a lovely dragon at 2 CMC people would just complain it was lovely instead of that there were no low CMC dragons. Also who gives a gently caress if dragon tribal is a T1 standard deck, there are plenty of cards to enable it if you just want to Timmy out and play big dragons. E: I mean I guess it's slow after Monoblue/Monoblack shitshow standard, but I don't get how that's a bad thing. One of the best decks in INN/RTR standard was the slowest most durdly piece of poo poo deck. E2: This standard is great and I don't get how anyone could complain about it unless they just want some pet archetype to be broken and objectively stronger than other archetypes. It's diverse as hell and Dragons has a ton of new build around cards that could create some completely new competitive decks. mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Average, maybe, but aggro is not only viable but one of the best performing strategies right now and it's getting a bunch of new playable cards in Dragons. Like if they did print a lovely dragon at 2 CMC people would just complain it was lovely instead of that there were no low CMC dragons. Also who gives a gently caress if dragon tribal is a T1 standard deck, there are plenty of cards to enable it if you just want to Timmy out and play big dragons. I've said multiple times across both threads that I like Standard right now. Jeskai tokens is a great deck, maybe even my second favorite standard deck of all time, and I'm really looking forward to trying to get Monastery Mentor to work post new set, especially with the Shampulse they printed. That I enjoy Standard for the first time since SoM-Inn doesn't mean I don't want to see cards costed low enough that they'll maybe trickle into Modern too, because holy poo poo does that format need a shake-up and unless Wizards suddenly unbans like ten cards the only change will come from the cards within Standard.
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If RUG isn't good, the format is terrible. Note that modern and standard are bad formats. QED
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