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Bottom Liner posted:What? Hey, sorry, my memory was a little off. I guess I meant they were not half updates they were full revisions. I guess that's even more worrisome; what if that happens with the watch? My biggest hurtle is spending so much money on something that will be replaced the year after and possibly hard to sell. And if the bands aren't compatible well then gently caress. And that's not out of the realm of possibility given how many different chargers and cables apple goes through.
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Well generally the 1st gen dies off the quickest, so wait for the 2nd which will probably be a much better product and last a lot longer. That's what I'm hoping for.
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Yeah, me too. I'll pebble time in the meantime, which is their 2nd product
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Bottom Liner posted:Speaking of, the 2nd gen Apple Watch will probably have these features: Pick one.
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mikemil828 posted:I was more talking along the lines of computer sales overall, at the time the tablet market was tiny, saying that Apple owned 95 percent of the market doesn't really mean much when they only needed to sell 3 million units to get to that point (For reference Apple sells around 12-13 million iPads per quarter now), iPad sales only really started getting going around the time the iPad 3 came out which was the first iPad to have, you guessed it, the retina display. gypsyshred posted:Ok, here's my plan, tell me if this will work out. I buy the Sport, and tolerate the ugly rear end plastic band until a nice third party product comes out. The Sports body shouldn't feel too cheap, no? rear end Catchcum posted:It is; but, for whatever reason, I think it's going to be harder to flip a watch than a phone, or computer. Those are really the only tech things I buy (both from apple). I don't feel like televisions or game systems come out that fast. Apple didn't even use to come out with a new phone every year.
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rear end Catchcum posted:My biggest hurtle is spending so much money on something that will be replaced the year after and possibly hard to sell. And if the bands aren't compatible well then gently caress. And that's not out of the realm of possibility given how many different chargers and cables apple goes through. This might be  lack of supply effect but I've had no problem selling smart watches for close to what I bought them for on eBay (Samsung Gear Fit, Samsung Gear Live, Moto 360).
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Mar 11, 2015 06:58
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ShoogaSlim posted:This was asked of me two pages ago when I said that there are some features that make the watch seem like it would be cool to own (at around 350 bucks maybe and 1000+ definitely not). I live in NJ and work in NYC too, I had a Moto360 for a while, and it was really fantastic to be able to just glance at the watch and see/control music, as well as a see and respond to texts. I'm constantly terrified that if I pull my phone out of my pocket someone will bump into me and knock it out of my hand and break it. I've had my headphones hooked several times by people walking past and my phone yanked out of my pocket, I use bluetooth headphones with a status display now, but it was really nice having everything on my wrist. I also sent quite a few texts and emails with it. I biked with it (although not often because of the leather band) and it was really cool to see directions on it. That said, the watch was really neat, but it just felt to 1st generation so I returned it, hoping to maybe see if gen 2 is better.
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Mar 11, 2015 08:43
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Mar 11, 2015 09:23
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rear end Catchcum posted:Hey, sorry, my memory was a little off. I guess I meant they were not half updates they were full revisions. I guess that's even more worrisome; what if that happens with the watch? The "half updates" have arguably been some of the most significant revisions, it's the case design that has only changed every two years.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:06
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Three Olives posted:The "half updates" have arguably been some of the most significant revisions, it's the case design that has only changed every two years. I disagree, most of the tick updates have been internal updates except for touchID. 3G > 3GS was speed, 4 > 4S was Siri/speed/fixed antenna, 5 > 5S was speed and TouchID. For tock updates, 2G > 3G was the addition of 3G, 3GS > 4 was retina display, 4S > 5 and 5S > 6 was speed/screen size.
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Logikv9 posted:I disagree, most of the tick updates have been internal updates except for touchID. 3G > 3GS was speed, 4 > 4S was Siri/speed/fixed antenna, 5 > 5S was speed and TouchID. 3g to 3gs was also open gl es 2 support which is huge for games
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Mar 11, 2015 15:32
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They're all pretty significant IMO. They just don't change the case every other year.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:34
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It's not Watch "Sport", it's Watch "Budget". There is nothing Sport about it. We're being diddled by the same concept that makes "Professional" models a thing.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:40
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Well, it's a little lighter. That's sporty.
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One of the most surprising things, for me, about the Apple Watch configurations, is that there are finite models being offered. For example if you want a space black watch with a black rubber band that's only available in a Sport model. The black stainless steel regular edition doesn't come in that configuration. I just finished watching the announcement from the other day and they didn't talk about swapping bands at all. I'm sure it's a thing but it's not a thing they touched on. Probably because they want you to buy their configurations and not think about swapping out your own band at all. e: Also, Jony Ive sounds like he's using too many syllables when he says "aluminum." ShoogaSlim fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 16:31
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They sell the bands separately, so I'm pretty sure they are thinking about you swapping bands.
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The technical improvements the iPhone has received over the years are tremendous but what could you improve on the watch? I think it'll have a life-cycle similar to consoles.
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Tab8715 posted:The technical improvements the iPhone has received over the years are tremendous but what could you improve on the watch? I think it'll have a life-cycle similar to consoles. Its life cycle will be probably be defined by hardware changes demanded by the point of payment industry. I hope some rear end in a top hat white hat waits for just a few months after launch to publish an unpatchable vulnerability.
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Tab8715 posted:The technical improvements the iPhone has received over the years are tremendous but what could you improve on the watch? I think it'll have a life-cycle similar to consoles. Uhh battery, display, size, storage, speed, connectivity, durability, a hardware button that doesn't go back to the days of the iPod click wheel.
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Bottom Liner posted:It can't be used without the phone for fitness tracking that requires GPS, etc. It says so on the site; If you're not overly concerned with GPS tracking, it should work just fine without a phone. It's been said that you can load up music on it and then go for a run without the phone.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:23
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Endless Mike posted:They sell the bands separately, so I'm pretty sure they are thinking about you swapping bands. I stand corrected. Allow me to rephrase: I'm surprised that you can't just pick which model watch you want and then choose a band to go with it, all in a customized ordering experience like you would swap components of a Mac or choose a color and carrier for iPhone. Instead they specifically state that the Watch is available in 20 models, the Sport in 10, and the Edition in 8. Also, the naming scheme is terrible. "Hey I just got an Apple Watch" "Oh cool you went for the stainless steel one?" "No I mean I got the cheap Sport one" "Hey I just got an Apple Watch" "Oh which edition did you get? The sport, the regular, or the edition?" (except jk nobody real is going to have to ask someone if they got the Edition) Having to call the regular one "regular" makes it seem almost like a shittier version. But all in all it doesn't matter because they'll sell a bunch of them and even one Edition Watch is worth over a dozen iPhones.
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RVProfootballer posted:Uhh battery, display, size, storage, speed, connectivity, durability, a hardware button that doesn't go back to the days of the iPod click wheel. You're right in the sense that these are aspects of the device that may be improved but how much a difference is that going to make with a device such as a watch? Phones are a different scenario where improvements in those aspects are enormously significant but not necessarily as much with a wearable device. I think the life cycles will be more comparable to consoles, not phones.
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ShoogaSlim posted:I stand corrected. Allow me to rephrase: I'm surprised that you can't just pick which model watch you want and then choose a band to go with it, all in a customized ordering experience like you would swap components of a Mac or choose a color and carrier for iPhone. Instead they specifically state that the Watch is available in 20 models, the Sport in 10, and the Edition in 8. quote:In one of our conversations, Ive was scathing about a rivals product, after asking me not to name it: Their value proposition was Make it whatever you want. You can choose whatever color you want. And I believe thats abdicating your responsibility as a designer.
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It's neat and all, but I have the same issue with many gadget purchases; what about when the battery no longer holds a charge? That will happen and relatively soon for the device. At least with your iPhone it has a planned obsolescence, you 'upgrade' to the newer model which is subsidized by your carrier. Also, laptops and tablets you can tether it to an electrical outlet, but for a strictly mobile device like this it becomes an expensive paperweight. Granted, your fancy mechanical watch will need servicing or your quartz watch will need a new, cheap battery, but when will people admit this is a disposable item? An expensive $10,000 special gold disposable watch? Edit: NM, The battery is replaceable ColonelKlink fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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ColonelKlink posted:It's neat and all, but I have the same issue with many gadget purchases; what about when the battery no longer holds a charge? That will happen and relatively soon for the device. At least with your iPhone it has a planned obsolescence, you 'upgrade' to the newer model which is subsidized by your carrier. Also, laptops and tablets you can tether it to an electrical outlet, but for a strictly mobile device like this it becomes an expensive paperweight. Oh when will the world care about those poor millionaires that spend $10k on a disposable item... 
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gret posted:Oh when will the world care about those poor millionaires that spend $10k on a disposable item... Haha, too true. I still have gadgets that use AA batteries, eventually those will be no longer made, too.
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gypsyshred posted:Ok, here's my plan, tell me if this will work out. I buy the Sport, and tolerate the ugly rear end plastic band until a nice third party product comes out. The Sports body shouldn't feel too cheap, no? Actually the majority of the backside of the Apple Watch is that giant black Heart Rate Monitor thingy, I doubt the feel of the aluminum will matter that much.
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gret posted:
Bullshit. People are going to swap anyway. Apple just wants you to buy a pre-"designed" configuration and eliminate the choice of buying just a watch body and using your own strap. I wonder how abdicated Ive feels that nearly everyone covers their iPhone in ugly, cheap, gaudy covers.
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I wonder what covers or if the Apple exec's even use iPhone cover at all...
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shadow puppet of a posted:Its life cycle will be probably be defined by hardware changes demanded by the point of payment industry. I hope some rear end in a top hat white hat waits for just a few months after launch to publish an unpatchable vulnerability.  RVProfootballer posted:Uhh battery, display, size, storage, speed, connectivity, durability, a hardware button that doesn't go back to the days of the iPod click wheel.  But yeah while I'd expect the usual improvements, the usable lifecycle will probably vary a bunch by user. Like if you primarily use it for notifications then it should be fine for a while without really needing to upgrade (barring battery life not being good enough), while fitness folks could make good use of extra battery life and/or new sensors and what not. And that's where bands come in, even if you don't feel the need to buy a new watch, hey here's this fancy new strap for just a bit more! ShoogaSlim posted:Bullshit. People are going to swap anyway. Apple just wants you to buy a pre-"designed" configuration and eliminate the choice of buying just a watch body and using your own strap.
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I just realized that apple is going to make a fortune selling every apple watch buyer two watches. The edition users wont exercise in theirs, but still want to track their "standups" etc, so edition + sport will become the norm. Everyone getting a steel case watch will be a true devotee and want 24 hour life coverage for things like sleep and just to avoid the fear of low battery and not having heartbeat access to you lover, so they'll add a sport at checkout. The sport people, well they aren't really people but since there will be no way to hide porn on your watch they'll all keep a discrete 38mm case without a band in their pocket as a watchporn porn watching repository. Also Belkin or whoever is going to make a fortune if they can be first to get a pocket watch chain up onto the apple.com store.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Also Belkin or whoever is going to make a fortune if they can be first to get a pocket watch chain up onto the apple.com store.
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Whirlwind Jones posted:I know this is mostly a joke and also wouldn't be surprised if it actually happened but basically the entire purpose and functionality of the Apple Watch at the moment is "so you don't have to take your phone out of your pocket to do something".
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shadow puppet of a posted:And the purpose of glasses frames is to hold corrective lenses up to your face, but this new generation does not pay heed to your pedestrian concepts of usability. Its a far higher priority to make people take notice of you doing something.
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:I live in NJ and work in NYC too, I had a Moto360 for a while, and it was really fantastic to be able to just glance at the watch and see/control music, as well as a see and respond to texts. I'm constantly terrified that if I pull my phone out of my pocket someone will bump into me and knock it out of my hand and break it. I've had my headphones hooked several times by people walking past and my phone yanked out of my pocket, I use bluetooth headphones with a status display now, but it was really nice having everything on my wrist. I also sent quite a few texts and emails with it. I biked with it (although not often because of the leather band) and it was really cool to see directions on it. I think I would've had a better use case for it while I was still in college and had, you know, a life. Instructors took great offense to you pulling out your phone to even glance at it, but you can look at your watch whenever, and at least for a while a glance at a smart watch probably won't be seen differently. The subtle alarms and such probably are nice for that, too. And yeah you're always rushing around and having wrist directions seems like it could be useful in that context. I do like that you can have shazam on there. Although I guess now that siri identifies songs by voice command, it's not as necessary.
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Whirlwind Jones posted:I know this is mostly a joke and also wouldn't be surprised if it actually happened but basically the entire purpose and functionality of the Apple Watch at the moment is "so you don't have to take your phone out of your pocket to do something".  They already did it with the Moto 360. 
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Rick posted:I think I would've had a better use case for it while I was still in college and had, you know, a life. Instructors took great offense to you pulling out your phone to even glance at it, but you can look at your watch whenever, and at least for a while a glance at a smart watch probably won't be seen differently. The subtle alarms and such probably are nice for that, too. And yeah you're always rushing around and having wrist directions seems like it could be useful in that context. Or you could, you know, like pay attention in class and not have to be constantly checking to see what your worthless friends are eating for lunch on IG every fifteen seconds.
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Three Olives posted:
Glue some gears to that and you'll be steampunk as poo poo.
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:Or you could, you know, like pay attention in class and not have to be constantly checking to see what your worthless friends are eating for lunch on IG every fifteen seconds. Sure thing Dad.
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