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Right. That's kind of the point I was making. The guy knows how to franchise Spider-Man. If he wasn't writing the main Spider-Man book, he'd be great to have on a B title where he could introduce his weird ideas, and then let a more capable writer cherry pick the good ones for Amazing.
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Seriously, you guys are bending over backwards to poo poo on Slott. The point has never been that he's a good writer, rather that his run has produced good ideas for Spider-Man.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:54
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I dispute that. I can't think of one idea I like of his, that isn't just insert character into other characters stick.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:10
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Kaleidoscope posted:Seriously, you guys are bending over backwards to poo poo on Slott. The point has never been that he's a good writer, rather that his run has produced good ideas for Spider-Man. There are a couple, yeah, but there aren't any that weren't more satisfyingly executed by other people. I would genuinely like to see Gage or Wells or Gerry Conway give a serious whack at Peter as a struggling industrialist, but Slott seems to view it as an obnoxious distraction.
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Mar 13, 2015 20:54
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CharlestheHammer posted:I dispute that. I can't think of one idea I like of his, that isn't just insert character into other characters stick. I genuinely loved Spider-Man/Human Torch, and that was basically all him.
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Mar 13, 2015 22:46
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Reminder made Flash Venom good. 
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Mar 13, 2015 23:11
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His ideas aren't even that good, he just seems to be able to pitch his ideas better than most and not have them shot down immediately.
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Mar 14, 2015 04:06
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Lurdiak posted:His ideas aren't even that good, he just seems to be able to pitch his ideas better than most and not have them shot down immediately. Hasbro must love him for how many action figures have been churned out of his run.
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Mar 14, 2015 06:38
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Kaleidoscope posted:Seriously, you guys are bending over backwards to poo poo on Slott. hi welcome to the BSS spider-man thread
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Mar 14, 2015 07:21
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Speaking of Slott and Spider-Gwen, what was even the creative timeline for the design of that character? Because you'd think some wires got crossed somewhere, or that Slott just didn't give a gently caress, since her portrayal in Amazing Spider-Man was almost totally different from her portrayal in Edge of Spider-Verse. Like, in her first appearance, Gwen gets established as this guilt-ridden punk rock superhero, then she shows up again in the main story (written by Slott) and displays virtually none of the quirks from that issue. Like she has this quiet air of flirtatiousness and speaks a little more elegantly and it really feels like Slott is writing her in character to 1973 Gwen Stacy; she almost seems like she's approximately Peter's age rather than somebody who's clearly nineteen or twenty at best. Then Hopeless starts writing her, and she's back to being a teenager, but she's just part of a Pippin/Merry team with Anya or Silk and not visibly morose or pensive at all. Then, at the tail end of the event when Slott writes her again, Peter Parker finally says something about "band practice" and that's the first time any of the story elements from Latour's issue get mentioned. There's enough ambiguity with the timeline that I'm not sure if this is a problem with deadlines or a matter of writers (Slott and Hopeless and, I guess, Conway) not giving enough of a gently caress. Maybe a little of both?
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Mar 14, 2015 17:02
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From that interview that was linked before it just seems that Spider-verse spiraled out of his grasp. At first it was going to be SpOck and a few spider-people, including 2099 and Spider-UK, teaming up for three issues and he thought of Gwen having a red and blue version of the clothes she wore when she died. Then at some point editorial went "uhhh this isn't going to be a Superior storyline... we thought that was obvious... also here's the designs for spider-gwen, no you don't have the power to reject them, this is literally the best costume ever." So by the time Spider-gwen happened, Jason Latour had some brilliant ideas for her character while Slott had just gone with "1973 Gwen but with Spider powers" he thought of a year before. Similarly, Spider-punk was just this UK-based guy and Jed Mackay thought up a whole story and asked himself "why would he be white?" as Slott focused on the main story.
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Mar 14, 2015 17:28
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Gosh, it's almost as if the SV tie-ins were better than the core book.
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Rhyno posted:Gosh, it's almost as if the SV tie-ins were better than the core book. That's been true as long as Slott has been on Spider-man. Without fail.
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Mar 15, 2015 04:19
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Kaleidoscope posted:Seriously, you guys are bending over backwards to poo poo on Slott. The point has never been that he's a good writer, rather that his run has produced good ideas for Spider-Man.
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Flameingblack posted:If he didn't have a twitter account most people would just say he's a bad writer and move on, but most of the time he's actively trying to troll certain groups of fans and get a reaction out of them which is why people hate him so much. So you're saying it's his fault because he's provocative
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JohnnyCanuck posted:So you're saying it's his fault because he's provocative
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Mar 16, 2015 18:49
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Slott's writing Renew Your Vows. God dammit. Burn it down.
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Nobby posted:Slott's writing Renew Your Vows. God dammit. Burn it down. I should've known, hope is for fools. 
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Mar 16, 2015 19:21
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quote:“With any story where you give people what they want—there’s a difference, as a storyteller, between what your readers want and what your readers need. In a good Peanuts story, you want Charlie Brown to kick that football. But if Charlie Brown kicks the football, it’s over!” says Slott. “All the best stories in serialized fiction–it’s always about teasing the greatest wishes and wants, but monkey-pawing it. Always giving you what you want, but not the way you want it.” This guy is supposed to be a professional writer?
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Mar 16, 2015 20:45
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So what he's saying is that he's been writing Newspaper Spider-man the whole time? e:  actually Newspaper Spider-man seems to be getting some stronger character beats than Slott right now MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mar 16, 2015 21:15
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Codependent Poster posted:This guy is supposed to be a professional writer? He at least sounds like one. "Don't like what I wrote well, uh, I did that on purpose! Ha-ha I am a master artist!"
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Mar 16, 2015 21:19
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He's actually Vince Russo + 175 more pounds.
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Mar 16, 2015 21:46
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Flameingblack posted:He's actually Vince Russo + 175 more pounds. I can't wait until he causes Marvel to be dropped by Disney.
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Nobby posted:Slott's writing Renew Your Vows. God dammit. Burn it down.   Also I realise it's  but they couldn't even glance at the cover of ASM Annual #21 to get the wedding dress right?ArmyOfMidgets posted:So what he's saying is that he's been writing Newspaper Spider-man the whole time?
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Mar 16, 2015 23:28
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Yvonmukluk posted:That's because Stan is still The Man. It is actually Stan's brother or cousin or whoever that writes the daily strip.
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notthegoatseguy posted:It is actually Stan's brother or cousin or whoever that writes the daily strip. Nepotism: better than Dan Slott
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Batgirl isn't exactly setting the world on fire with quality, they took heat for how they handled a trans character and now this Joker cover.
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^burtle posted:Batgirl isn't exactly setting the world on fire with quality, they took heat for how they handled a trans character and now this Joker cover. I don't read Batgirl, but the writer apologized and fully accepted they made a mistake with the first one, and protested the Joker cover(and then the artist who drew it regretted it and requested it be pulled, which it was).
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Mar 17, 2015 06:16
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The Batgirl character was never trans and one of those rare actual instances of people being mad over nothing
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Mar 17, 2015 06:27
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Blockhouse posted:The Batgirl character was never trans and one of those rare actual instances of people being mad over nothing It hit the "this character's gender isn't what you thought it was!" and "this character's hero/villain orientation isn't what you thought it was!" beats at the same time, which is an old trope that's hurtful to trans people. So not exactly nothing, even if it wasn't what the creators intended. I think the apology pretty much said everything that needed to be said.
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Blockhouse posted:The Batgirl character was never trans and one of those rare actual instances of people being mad over nothing Yes, that's also what was my impression when reading the comic - the villian wasn't trans at all, he just dressed up as Batgirl because he wanted to become Batgirl, the character, not necessarily Batgirl the woman. At most he seemed an obsessed, creepy crossdresser, but even that didn't seem the intention from the author. But it was easily read in the other context too, especially if you didn't read the books before.
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Mar 17, 2015 12:25
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I always thought the controversy was because the main villain was a crossdresser who acted in the most stereotypical evil crossdresser ways.
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Mar 17, 2015 12:34
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CharlestheHammer posted:I always thought the controversy was because the main villain was a crossdresser who acted in the most stereotypical evil crossdresser ways. Pretty much. And everybody apologized and acknowledged that while you try and make a better or more inclusive product you gently caress up sometimes but the important part is to acknowledge that and improve.
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Mar 17, 2015 12:36
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yeah creepy crossdresser is still pretty bad, I guess. Just not transphobia bad.
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Blockhouse posted:yeah creepy crossdresser is still pretty bad, I guess. Just not transphobia bad. Hey, if you make a character who's a perverted leather daddy with a lisp that's straight, I can see it making gay people upset. A misstep shouldn't condemn a well-meaning run, though.
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Blockhouse posted:yeah creepy crossdresser is still pretty bad, I guess. Just not transphobia bad. You don't see how "The person you THOUGHT was a GIRL was ACTUALLY A GUY!" is offensive to trans people? Lurdiak posted:A misstep shouldn't condemn a well-meaning run, though. Totally, the creative team seems hella great.
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Well here's another interview with Slott on Renew Your Vows.Dan Slott posted:As a Spidey writer, the Spider-Marriage has been a locked off part of the Spidey U. toy box. It’s taken something as big as Secret Wars—an event where every rule can be broken, where nothing is off limits—it’s taken something this epic to give me the freedom to go to the Powers That Be and ask, ‘Can we bust the lock?’ Also it's interesting that the EW article suggests 'The Regent' is the villain of the piece - considering the talk of Barons and stuff, presumably whoever it is took over from the 'legitimate' Baron that's meant to be ruling that region.
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Mar 17, 2015 19:34
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Renew your Vows sounds like it's going to be retconned immediately because of Secret Wars.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:18
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Flameingblack posted:Renew your Vows sounds like it's going to be retconned immediately because of Secret Wars. Uh, there's really nothing to retcon. A lot of Secret Wars books are pretty much just alternate universe tales, except they all exist on Battleworld. There might be some carry over from them when Secret Wars ends, but it's not retconning anything, really.
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In Tales From Spider-Verse, "our" Peter met another Spidey during a lull in the battle, where they tried to figure out where their universes diverged. Only at the end do we see that the one he'd been talking to had a wedding ring on. That's the Spider-Man we're going to see in Renew Your Vows.
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