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SpiderHyphenMan posted:no no no. "I have nothing personal against jews, I just hate all the zionists and jews who support Israel!!!!!"
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i admit to hating the haredim but that's a defensive hate since they hate gay people
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HighClassSwankyTime posted:"I have nothing personal against jews, I just hate all the zionists and jews who support Israel!!!!!" Uh, not seeing the problem here 
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Mar 18, 2015 16:16
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HighClassSwankyTime posted:"I have nothing personal against jews, I just hate all the zionists and jews who support Israel!!!!!" I hate a lot of people.
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Mar 18, 2015 16:25
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Israel unilaterally going to war with Iran would get us to reexamine our relationship with them imo, especially as most of the US population has had its full of land wars in the middle east. I'm sure Ol' Rupert would need only a couple weeks to get 50%+ of Americans yelling for the blood of Iranians to flow like a mighty river. US media are already claiming that Iran has WMDs, they just need to add "Khomeini did 9/11" and the US war against Iran is sold. I expect that to happen between 2017 and 2020.
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Mar 18, 2015 16:29
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we're already at the point where a generation of voters doesn't know what the deal was b/c they were too young ol' jeb bush is going to need to bribe a few more united pilots
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Mar 18, 2015 16:31
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It would be a foreign policy nightmare for the US and Israel to just attack Iran. I can hardly imagine Obama doing anything of the sort.
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Mar 18, 2015 16:32
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Torrannor posted:It would be a foreign policy nightmare for the US and Israel to just attack Iran. I can hardly imagine Obama doing anything of the sort. I don't know of the U.S. Could even win a war against Iran in Iran.
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Mar 18, 2015 16:33
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Let's just ignore the antisemite. I was hoping for a link/source on that one to further examine the specific turnout/crosstabs myself. Arabs not voting is understandable, although the Arab list were seemingly the only good outcome of this election.
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Mar 18, 2015 16:39
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euphronius posted:I don't know of the U.S. Could even win a war against Iran in Iran. I don't think the US could lose to anyone in a vacuum. IRL, I don't know. dorkasaurus_rex posted:I was hoping for a link/source on that one to further examine the specific turnout/crosstabs myself. Arabs not voting is understandable, although the Arab list were seemingly the only good outcome of this election. If they're relegated to the impotent opposition then what good will it do? They need to have an incredibly strong ground game just to keep their gains
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Mar 18, 2015 16:48
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I am not going to Clancy it up, but Iran is so much different than Iraq, I think a result of an invasion in unpredictable. What would most likely happen is massive bombing.
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Mar 18, 2015 16:50
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euphronius posted:I don't know of the U.S. Could even win a war against Iran in Iran. We could have Khamenei living in a rathole in a matter of days easily. Just because an occupation based around making GBS threads on the locals didn't pan out so well over a decade doesn't mean anyone standing up against us militarily wouldn't be a fly on the windshield.
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i don't know man, they have tomcats, can you justify risking the highway to the danger zone?
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Mar 18, 2015 17:15
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Volkerball posted:We could have Khamenei living in a rathole in a matter of days easily. Just because an occupation based around making GBS threads on the locals didn't pan out so well over a decade doesn't mean anyone standing up against us militarily wouldn't be a fly on the windshield. this is what y'all thought in vietnam, you realise
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a military invasion is only successful if it accomplishes its political objectives, which it would have approximately zero chance of doing in an iran invasion scenario. odds are that the theocracy wouldn't even be significantly damaged as it would massively gain in popular legitimacy during the inevitable insurgency and people's war following the complete destruction of the country.
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Mar 18, 2015 17:17
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Volkerball posted:We could have Khamenei living in a rathole in a matter of days easily. Just because an occupation based around making GBS threads on the locals didn't pan out so well over a decade doesn't mean anyone standing up against us militarily wouldn't be a fly on the windshield. Kaiser Wilhelm II?
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Mar 18, 2015 17:17
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V. Illych L. posted:this is what y'all thought in vietnam, you realise Not comparable. Iran's government controls a sophisticated state with a parliament, a lot of infrastructure, and unilateral control over their country. If for some dumb reason the US decided to wreck all that, they could do so very easily. Whether the remnants of Irans military managed to hide in tunnels and fire off pop shots long enough to get the US to leave after we conquered all their poo poo and US troops finished up taking selfies in the most secure and important buildings in Iran wouldn't change the fact that Iran's government would be beyond shattered.
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Mar 18, 2015 17:23
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how's the taliban mopup going then
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Volkerball posted:Not comparable. Iran's government controls a sophisticated state with a parliament, a lot of infrastructure, and unilateral control over their country. If for some dumb reason the US decided to wreck all that, they could do so very easily. Whether the remnants of Irans military managed to hide in tunnels and fire off pop shots long enough to get the US to leave after we conquered all their poo poo and US troops finished up taking selfies in the most secure and important buildings in Iran wouldn't change the fact that Iran's government would be beyond shattered. president jeb bush stands in front of a banner that reads mission accomplished
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Volkerball posted:Not comparable. Iran's government controls a sophisticated state with a parliament, a lot of infrastructure, and unilateral control over their country. If for some dumb reason the US decided to wreck all that, they could do so very easily. Whether the remnants of Irans military managed to hide in tunnels and fire off pop shots long enough to get the US to leave after we conquered all their poo poo and US troops finished up taking selfies in the most secure and important buildings in Iran wouldn't change the fact that Iran's government would be beyond shattered. Well yeah if all you want to do is destroy some infrastructure it is pretty easy, that isn't going to make anything better though (cough Iraq cough)
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Volkerball posted:Not comparable. Iran's government controls a sophisticated state with a parliament, a lot of infrastructure, and unilateral control over their country. If for some dumb reason the US decided to wreck all that, they could do so very easily. Whether the remnants of Irans military managed to hide in tunnels and fire off pop shots long enough to get the US to leave after we conquered all their poo poo and US troops finished up taking selfies in the most secure and important buildings in Iran wouldn't change the fact that Iran's government would be beyond shattered. and the people will welcome you as liberators c'mon dude
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They could just nuke the entire country, make every inch of it uninhabitable. The would probably be an easier sell than another Vietnam war.
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Mar 18, 2015 17:38
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Volkerball posted:Not comparable. Iran's government controls a sophisticated state with a parliament, a lot of infrastructure, and unilateral control over their country. If for some dumb reason the US decided to wreck all that, they could do so very easily. Whether the remnants of Irans military managed to hide in tunnels and fire off pop shots long enough to get the US to leave after we conquered all their poo poo and US troops finished up taking selfies in the most secure and important buildings in Iran wouldn't change the fact that Iran's government would be beyond shattered. Clearing space for the next version of IS to take over!
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Volkerball posted:Not comparable. Iran's government controls a sophisticated state with a parliament, a lot of infrastructure, and unilateral control over their country. If for some dumb reason the US decided to wreck all that, they could do so very easily. Whether the remnants of Irans military managed to hide in tunnels and fire off pop shots long enough to get the US to leave after we conquered all their poo poo and US troops finished up taking selfies in the most secure and important buildings in Iran wouldn't change the fact that Iran's government would be beyond shattered. And when the Straights of Hormuz are full of ship mines and the Chinese economy drives off a cliff due to losing 40% of their oil imports and being unable to function, I'm sure this will all end well for America because uuh hang on
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guys, i'm pretty sure volkerball isn't saying it would be a good idea to dismantle Iran's government and military. he's just saying that we're pretty well equipped to do so.
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:We should start a new social movment: There's a once anonymous Israeli graffiti artists called Know Hope.  emanresu tnuocca posted:the only thing the Israeli public expects of him which wasn't previously on the card is to reduce the housing and general living expenses, a responsibility which he's gonna delegate to Kahlon (who'll also get the flak in case of failure to achieve those goals). Someone from the future telecast a video from Kahlon's defeat in 4 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw2K1B04lLo Al-Saqr posted:"why would they vote in an election for a government that does not represent them" = Anti-Semite. Your opinion is ill-informed and adds nothing to the conversation, every single time you come in here with one of your narrow-minded quips, which is why some of us react poorly to you. As for why they should vote for Palestinian Arabs (and one Jew) who have been urged by polls to run together in order to remain in parliament instead of potentially being removed on a technicality (the raised election threshold), maybe because they themselves have expressed that they think it is to their own benefit. You're more than welcome to use your fluency in Arabic to talk to some '48 Arabs and loving ask them. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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V. Illych L. posted:and the people will welcome you as liberators I didn't say that at all. My point is when people talk about invading Iran and laughing it off like "Oh yeah, like the US could even do it," they're failing to understand the situation. Tactical objectives in an Iranian war pushed by neocons would be "Destroy the gently caress out of the government. Make the Amish in Ohio closer to nuclear capability than Iran." That would take a matter of weeks, if not days. Khamenei and anyone else who had power within the government would be paraded around in handcuffs on national television as soon as the shithole they had to resort to hiding in is discovered, parliament would be dissolved, and different groups of Shia militias would be the strongest forces in the country. It doesn't matter what the US decided to do at that point, whether they left immediately or stayed. Nothing changes the fact that the IRGC would be owned, dead, and buried, and government infrastructure would be ashes and would have to be built completely from the ground up all over again.
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I have no idea why you would think those things.
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Volkerball posted:I didn't say that at all. My point is when people talk about invading Iran and laughing it off like "Oh yeah, like the US could even do it," they're failing to understand the situation. Tactical objectives in an Iranian war pushed by neocons would be "Destroy the gently caress out of the government. Make the Amish in Ohio closer to nuclear capability than Iran." That would take a matter of weeks, if not days. Khamenei and anyone else who had power within the government would be paraded around in handcuffs on national television as soon as the shithole they had to resort to hiding in is discovered, parliament would be dissolved, and different groups of Shia militias would be the strongest forces in the country. It doesn't matter what the US decided to do at that point, whether they left immediately or stayed. Nothing changes the fact that the IRGC would be owned, dead, and buried, and government infrastructure would be ashes and would have to be built completely from the ground up all over again. lol how did afghanistan work out for y'all
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So with the Israeli side effectively disavowing any two state solution and the Palestinian Authority near collapse, it's unlikely what remains of the post-Oslo status quo will last much longer. It was already hard for the State Department to convince the Palestinians that they should continue to negotiate in hope of good faith on Israel's part and Netanyahu quite intentionally made it impossible. I'm thinking he did so in order to stop the US from pursuing a diplomatic solution and instead falling in line with permanent military occupation. It's the same logic that drove his idiotic speech in front of Congress: By sabotaging American diplomatic efforts, he can force America to do things his way. The US might just accept it passively and there's plenty of Republicans who're in favor of just doing whatever Netanyahu wants because it's what they'd do. However the unstoppable force of Always Support Israel is running headlong into the unbreakable wall of Nobody Fucks With American Foreign Policy ESPECIALLY Clients. If it becomes partisan then don't count on reflexive Democratic support. I'm not saying the following is likely, but America's stated reason for opposing Palestinian recognition as a state in the UN is that it should happen through negotiations with Israel. So either it insists that negotiations are still possible in spite of one party refusing to participate and lays to rest any lingering hopes that it's acting in good faith or it uses its stated position as leverage. If Israel won't negotiate, the US has no reason to veto a Palestinian statehood bid.
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bencreateddisco posted:guys, i'm pretty sure volkerball isn't saying it would be a good idea to dismantle Iran's government and military. America is well-equipped to dismantle Iran the same way I am well-equipped to punch out a police officer. Yes, there is a fist attached to the end of my arm, and yes, I could definitely use that fist to punch a cop in the face, but maybe that's not the whole loving story.
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Volkerball posted:I didn't say that at all. My point is when people talk about invading Iran and laughing it off like "Oh yeah, like the US could even do it," they're failing to understand the situation. Tactical objectives in an Iranian war pushed by neocons would be "Destroy the gently caress out of the government. Make the Amish in Ohio closer to nuclear capability than Iran." That would take a matter of weeks, if not days. Khamenei and anyone else who had power within the government would be paraded around in handcuffs on national television as soon as the shithole they had to resort to hiding in is discovered, parliament would be dissolved, and different groups of Shia militias would be the strongest forces in the country. It doesn't matter what the US decided to do at that point, whether they left immediately or stayed. Nothing changes the fact that the IRGC would be owned, dead, and buried, and government infrastructure would be ashes and would have to be built completely from the ground up all over again. Some people just want to watch the world burn.
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volkerball has never seen a topological map of iran, thinks invasion would take "weeks" and also that war and politics are two different things
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Peace with Iran is super important to the US and I cant really see how Bibi will derail that longterm.
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mcmagic posted:Clearing space for the next version of IS to take over! Really it's only fair that the Shia get their own version of jihadi-salafism started after all this time!
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V. Illych L. posted:volkerball has never seen a topological map of iran, thinks invasion would take "weeks" and also that war and politics are two different things He is working off of outdated info 
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euphronius posted:Peace with Iran is super important to the US and I cant really see how Bibi will derail that longterm.
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UberJew posted:Really it's only fair that the Shia get their own version of jihadi-salafism started after all this time! reform the order of assassins imo, accept no substitutes
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V. Illych L. posted:volkerball has never seen a topological map of iran, thinks invasion would take "weeks" and also that war and politics are two different things It's simple: find a homotopic function that maps it to another arbitrarily small region on a 3-sphere, then have one guy occupy the whole place. I think you meant topographic
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Peace with Iran is not important at all to the GOP, unless by "peace with" you mean "bombing and invading the poo poo out of." I am divorcing PR stunts and GOP fear mongering from the actual institutional foreign policy of the US which are - thankfully - considerably different.
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