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MacGowans Teeth
Aug 13, 2003

A MIRACLE posted:

what do people who live there call it? so many syllables

The only thing I ever heard was either "San Francisco" or "the city", if you're in one of the outlying areas. But I've never lived closer than maybe 45 minutes away (not counting traffic). The people I knew who lived near Half Moon Bay called it "the city".

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got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...

A MIRACLE posted:

what do people who live there call it? so many syllables

"ess eff" if anything but San Fran is a dope nickname because literally no one but Midwestern tourists say that. When San Fransicoers say "no one calls it that", they aren't being defensive; they are being dead serious.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

gmq posted:

I think the main problem with this season is that Frank didn't have a chance to manipulate and cajole people into doing his bidding. Without that the series loses a lot of its charm.

Yeah, the plot just didn't go anywhere fun and crazy this season like previous seasons did. So though I much enjoyed previous seasons, I thought Season 3 was boring.

Sarchasm
Apr 14, 2002

So that explains why he did not answer. He had no mouth to answer with. There is nothing left of him but his ears.

Frisco (gently caress all yall) is big enough that I often hear people talk about the Mission or Sausalito or whatever.

That's pretty common in almost every large-ish city I've ever lived in, honestly. Even mid-size cities like Louisville have their own named districts.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Frisco is a suburb of Dallas.

Jigoku
Apr 5, 2009

dongsbot 9000 posted:

"ess eff" if anything but San Fran is a dope nickname because literally no one but Midwestern tourists say that. When San Fransicoers say "no one calls it that", they aren't being defensive; they are being dead serious.

Yeah, SF is the one I hear the most, but like LA most people usually refer to specific areas.

red19fire
May 26, 2010

Lycus posted:

Yeah, the plot just didn't go anywhere fun and crazy this season like previous seasons did. So though I much enjoyed previous seasons, I thought Season 3 was boring.

I thought it had potential for Frank to meet his match in the Russian president, and Congress to collectively realize they'd been played hard, but none of that really went anywhere, at least until I gave up around episode 5. Stamper is great as always, but I just couldn't weather the rest of the show.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

red19fire posted:

I thought it had potential for Frank to meet his match in the Russian president, and Congress to collectively realize they'd been played hard, but none of that really went anywhere, at least until I gave up around episode 5. Stamper is great as always, but I just couldn't weather the rest of the show.

Not-Putin was the best part of the season, but that storyline ended with such a whimper.

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
Is that Steven Soderbergh biopic on Che Guevara any good?

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Is that Steven Soderbergh biopic on Che Guevara any good?

extremely

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Is that Steven Soderbergh biopic on Che Guevara any good?
Yes! Part 1 is more of a guerrilla war movie with some top-tier urban fighting scenes. It's all bright and optimistic about the future. Part 2 is a lot murkier and colder, both literally in the color pallet and the mess that was the supposed South American revolution. As entertainment they're good, but I would say for the combined length it really doesn't do a whole lot to explore his inner thoughts. I don't know a great deal about the guy but I think The Motorcycle Diaries does a better job of showing where he was coming from.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

david_a posted:

Yes! Part 1 is more of a guerrilla war movie with some top-tier urban fighting scenes. It's all bright and optimistic about the future. Part 2 is a lot murkier and colder, both literally in the color pallet and the mess that was the supposed South American revolution.

i love how it reinforces this by having part one in 2:35:1 and part two in 1:85:1

wafflesnsegways
Jan 12, 2008
And that's why I was forced to surgically attach your hands to your face.
I thought the second season of house of cards was an improvement over the first. No more Rooney Mara, more interesting stuff for robin wright, Kevin spacey hammier than ever.

I'll probably finish season 3 eventually, but it's been super boring so far and I haven't gotten back to it.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Is that Steven Soderbergh biopic on Che Guevara any good?

It's so good, you mentioning it makes me want to watch it again.

Mister Nobody
Feb 17, 2011

wafflesnsegways posted:

I thought the second season of house of cards was an improvement over the first. No more Rooney Mara, more interesting stuff for robin wright, Kevin spacey hammier than ever.

I'll probably finish season 3 eventually, but it's been super boring so far and I haven't gotten back to it.

Kate Mara, i would have actually cared about the character had she been played by Rooney.

Jigoku
Apr 5, 2009

Did people hate Showgirls because it was utterly abhorrent?

Because while that is true, I found it to be really enjoyable because of how over the top and weird it is.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Showgirls is loving great

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Skywalker OG posted:

Did people hate Showgirls because it was utterly abhorrent?

Because while that is true, I found it to be really enjoyable because of how over the top and weird it is.

It's a great drunk movie.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

it's at least as good as Robocop, probly better than Total Recall. i go back and forth on whether i like it or Basic Instinct more

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
I'm not sure if it's better than BI but I like it better.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Showgirls is loving great

Yes.

Skywalker OG posted:

Did people hate Showgirls because it was utterly abhorrent?

Because while that is true, I found it to be really enjoyable because of how over the top and weird it is.

I can't remember who it was I was talking about it with on these forums, but one point of misapprehension in particular seems to be that the movie is trying to be erotic and failing. Of course, this is silly. There's really not that much difference between the way sex is depicted in Showgirls and the 'safe sex' scene in The Naked Gun, but nobody makes the observation that just because Priscilla Presley is sexy that the film is failing to communicate this through tone.

You can compare Showgirls to just about any 60s sexploitation film and see what it looks like when a film 'fails' to be erotic. The difference is that those old sexploitation films also used comedy, but were just as haphazard in this regard, largely because they were just trying to mitigate feelings of shame that naturally come from engaging in voyeurism. Showgirls is just being effective and honest in communicating how easily exploited sex is, that the act in and of itself can be obviously un-erotic, disgusting, and comic, but we're too used to thinking of it in fantastic, appealing terms. Basically, critics were disappointed that Verhoeven's hyper-real commentary on sex was actually closer to the real thing.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Those 60's and 70's sex comedies are like the nadir of American filmmaking.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Everybody got AIDS and poo poo.

How are we supposed to feel about that rape? Kind of a tone-ruiner, IMO.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Jack Gladney posted:

Everybody got AIDS and poo poo.

How are we supposed to feel about that rape? Kind of a tone-ruiner, IMO.

yeah even the film's most ardent defenders admit that that scene's a sore spot. certainly makes the movie harder to recommend and sabotages the fun vibe when watching with friends.

but, if i had to mount a defense for it, i'd say it's im keeping with the movie's status as a megabudget exploitation flick.

ChickenMedium
Sep 2, 2001
Forum Veteran And Professor Emeritus of Condiment Studies

GORDON posted:

The second time some hipster douche tried to correct me when I said it, I started saying it on purpose in their presence as often as I could. I still do. like now.

San Fran.

San Fran.

I call it Saint Frank, because this is AMERICA, goddammit.

Hackers film 1995
Nov 4, 2009

Hack the planet!

I was very excited to finally get to see God's Not Dead, but it is loving impossible to sit through. If you can watch that entire film without looking at your phone or doing something else you have an iron constitution. I watched maybe an hour total (which I think is impressive for an unforgivable 112 minute running time), but I was mostly fast forwarding. Worth it all thought to watch Sorbo's strawman in action.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

Jack Gladney posted:

Everybody got AIDS and poo poo.
I've got a problem with pussy.

My favorite birthday I ever had was gathering a group of friends who had never seen Showgirls before, taking a bunch of acid and then watching the pandemonium break out as Showgirls blew all their goddamn minds. :lsd:

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Jack Gladney posted:

How are we supposed to feel about that rape? Kind of a tone-ruiner, IMO.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

yeah even the film's most ardent defenders admit that that scene's a sore spot. certainly makes the movie harder to recommend and sabotages the fun vibe when watching with friends.

but, if i had to mount a defense for it, i'd say it's im keeping with the movie's status as a megabudget exploitation flick.

It's cinema of cruelty. At precisely the moment Nomi thinks she's reached the 'top' of the ladder, she learns the extent of the Stardust Casino's depravity.

Obviously the rape is shocking, comes out of nowhere, and is weighted with a mean-spirited sadism that even the most catty scenes in the film lacks. But you're leaving out the context. Molly isn't just raped; she goes in place of Nomi. Zack alerts Nomi that Carver is there, Nomi tells Molly. Zack introduces Carver to Nomi, who almost immediately makes an inappropriate advance on Nomi, not even noticing Molly clearly behind her. Nomi introduces Molly, who then splits off with Carver while Zack makes an advance on Nomi.


What occurs is a strategic 'pairing off' that could have easily gone another way. It signifies the nadir of an industry predicated on sexual exploitation. Nomi has gained so much only to have gained nothing at all. The men around her can still freely make salacious remarks to her with impunity relative to their wealth and power, and her own wealth and privilege merely means that she is slightly safer from the ultimate imposition of patriarchal oppression. The scene is cruel, but it's ultimately necessary to drive home a point that, again, most actual sexploitation films stop just short of making - These environments of casual objectification, sexual harassment, and de-humanization are not cheeky, flattering, erotic, or refined. They are a vulgar, and systematic displays of patriarchal oppression that are merely 'pimped up' to look more elegant than they actually are.

Not knowing how to feel about the scene in the context of Showgirls's rather aloof tone is, in my opinion, a zillion times more preferable to, say, something like the rape scene in Crank, where the event signifies absolutely nothing in terms of the progression of the plot or the character, and is staged for humorous effect.

Short Penguin
Jun 1, 2010

caligulamprey posted:

I've got a problem with pussy.

My favorite birthday I ever had was gathering a group of friends who had never seen Showgirls before, taking a bunch of acid and then watching the pandemonium break out as Showgirls blew all their goddamn minds. :lsd:

that sounds amazing. I'm going to remember that for my next birthday.

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!
Is there any way to see a list of stuff that was on your list when it got removed from Netflix? Pretty annoying that I can't find them so I can add them to a wishlist on another site or something

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

dongsbot 9000 posted:

When San Fransicoers say "no one calls it that", they aren't being defensive; they are being dead serious.
And they give about as much a drat as people who get corrected about the pronunciation of Oregon. Get over it.

Plus, my loser cousins from Oakland called it Cali back in the 90s and we laughed at them back then. It stuck.

Namirsolo
Jan 20, 2009

Like that, babe?
Life Itself, the Roger Ebert documentary, is on Netflix now. It's great and has some hilarious clips of him and Siskel. It's a celebration of his life, but parts of it are pretty painful and made me cry. I really miss that man.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming
Not a perfect fix, but this makes Netflix's web interface slightly less lovely.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

https://vimeo.com/76500637

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Namirsolo posted:

Life Itself, the Roger Ebert documentary, is on Netflix now. It's great and has some hilarious clips of him and Siskel. It's a celebration of his life, but parts of it are pretty painful and made me cry. I really miss that man.

I found the recollections of his carousing life as an upstart Chicago journalist especially fun.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

wafflesnsegways posted:

I thought the second season of house of cards was an improvement over the first. No more Rooney Mara, more interesting stuff for robin wright, Kevin spacey hammier than ever.

I'll probably finish season 3 eventually, but it's been super boring so far and I haven't gotten back to it.

My problem with Season 3 is pretty much that it became typical political show (not really a spoiler but ehhh), Frank spent the first two seasons doing evil, manipulative super villain stuff that it was dull to see him dealing with ordinary president issues

Akarshi
Apr 23, 2011

I just watched Antichrist . drat...what was that all about? Is the final takeaway that humans are evil and nature can bring it out? There are lots of inverted biblical analogies in it, but what does it add up to? Also, it's pretty easy to read as misogynistic, but at the same time thinking it's misogynistic seems too 'easy', like Lars is deliberately courting this sort of response - especially with the hiring of a misogyny consultant.

Ah well, time to watch Salo: 120 Days of Sodom next.

axelblaze
Oct 18, 2006

Congratulations The One Concern!!!

You're addicted to Ivory!!

and...oh my...could you please...
oh my...

Grimey Drawer

Akarshi posted:

I just watched Antichrist . drat...what was that all about? Is the final takeaway that humans are evil and nature can bring it out? There are lots of inverted biblical analogies in it, but what does it add up to? Also, it's pretty easy to read as misogynistic, but at the same time thinking it's misogynistic seems too 'easy', like Lars is deliberately courting this sort of response - especially with the hiring of a misogyny consultant.

Antichrist is mostly a movie about severe depression. The main character is a woman so her self hatred manifests in extreme misogyny. She is convinced that she is evil to the core. She believes every aspect of herself is irredeemably bad. She is a woman, therefore women are evil.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Akarshi posted:

I just watched Antichrist . drat...what was that all about? Is the final takeaway that humans are evil and nature can bring it out? There are lots of inverted biblical analogies in it, but what does it add up to? Also, it's pretty easy to read as misogynistic, but at the same time thinking it's misogynistic seems too 'easy', like Lars is deliberately courting this sort of response - especially with the hiring of a misogyny consultant.

It's not so much that humans are evil by nature. But, what is 'nature'? According Dafoe's 'Him,' 'nature' is explicitly part of some quasi-new age, therapeutic psychological framework: 'Ah! You're depression is just an irrational but natural response to your feelings of shame and guilt regarding the death of your child! You must confront nature in order to come to terms with this! Then you will be 'free' of your irrational emotions!' Within this framework, 'nature' is this inherently self-contradicting artifice that serves a post-hoc rationalization of what Gainsbourg's 'Her' should be - i.e., sexually submissive, loving to her child, emotionally volatile and requiring the strict attention of paternalistic authority, etc.

You see these themes expanded upon (and, I think, in a superior way) in Nymphomaniac and Melancholia. The twist is that 'Her' doesn't need therapy. She really didn't love her child. She really wasn't happy with her marriage. Everything that 'Him' believed was a lie.

The horror of it comes from the fact that Von Trier proposes that this construct of 'nature' that 'Him' imposes is no less misogynistic than the one that just assumes that women are naturally diabolical, the antithesis of the divine Adam. This is represented via 'Him' watching the procession of ghostly women fleeing Eden after 'Her' - the Antichrist of the title - sacrifices herself such that their 'sins' are forgiven and their souls are liberated from this patriarchal artifice. It's inverted Christ-imagery that makes Lylith into the Christ figure, assuming a deliberately diabolical form to counter the patriarchal God who is just as diabolical because he has damned scores of innocent women.

So... thanks for making me want to watch Antichrist again!

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wafflesnsegways
Jan 12, 2008
And that's why I was forced to surgically attach your hands to your face.

Medullah posted:

My problem with Season 3 is pretty much that it became typical political show (not really a spoiler but ehhh), Frank spent the first two seasons doing evil, manipulative super villain stuff that it was dull to see him dealing with ordinary president issues

Yeah, exactly. Who wants to watch him actually govern?

Plus, there are a million shows and movies about presidents. The earlier seasons about slimy back room congressional politics was a little more novel.

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