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Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
rear end Creed combat was purely about how gooD the animation and sound effects were, and how effortless and fluid you could get it to look. Unfortunately the game has been pretty downhill in those regards since Assbros.

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Orv
May 4, 2011
Black Flag's/Rogue's dual wield stuff looks really good when the system actually has room to play. Which is to say, not on the deck of a boat, which is where around 80% of your melee combat is going to take place. :smith:

sauer kraut
Oct 2, 2004

Testekill posted:

Looking at the Total Extreme Wrestling steam forum and it's amazing how entitled steam users are.

So they dumped an outdated version of their rear end ugly wrestling manager? on Steam and asked 20 bucks expecting, what exactly?
Sell the real thing for 30, or the old poo poo for a fiver if you want to expand your audience. It's not rocket science.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica


Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
What's the good Silent Hill on PC after SH2&3? Was it Homecoming or Memories that was the good one? Is the good one even ON pc? Which one was the water one? Should I just tell my friend to play Alan Wake instead? She loved SH2 and really enjoyed SH3 when I let her play those earlier this year.

Drifter fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Mar 21, 2015

AfricanBootyShine
Jan 9, 2006

Snake wins.


cool gifs. worthless without explanation.


VV which HLM are they? What's the context in which they occur in? Is this a rare instance or a common one?

AfricanBootyShine fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Mar 21, 2015

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

AfricanBootyShine posted:

cool gifs. worthless without explanation.

Does the guy getting killed by a bullet hitting a wall even need an explanation?

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Testekill posted:

Does the guy getting killed by a bullet hitting a wall even need an explanation?

All I see is a realistic physics engine processing high velocity ricochet damage. Realism. A++.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

AfricanBootyShine posted:

cool gifs. worthless without explanation.

First one is a door glitch where if an enemy intersects with a door pivot they gently caress up and are invincible until they unfuck themselves, second one is the hitbox being bigger than the player thought it was (hint: it extends to the player arm which clearly got hit by a shot pellet there).

Both of those were used by some guy in the HM2 thread to try and prove that HM2 was an unredeemable pile of poo poo. Because a game built on a modified GameMaker engine has some quirks, and hitboxes can cause you to get hosed sometimes in 2D sprite-based games.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
Did the first game have such problems with doors? I don't remember it, but maybe I've just forgotten. It's really annoying in #2, especially if you're playing hard mode where there is very little room for error or glitchy fuckery.

HGH
Dec 20, 2011

Drifter posted:

What's the good Silent Hill on PC after SH2&3? Was it Homecoming or Memories that was the good one? Is the good one even ON pc? Which one was the water one? Should I just tell my friend to play Alan Wake instead? She loved SH2 and really enjoyed SH3 when I let her play those earlier this year.

DON'T get Homecoming. It's by far one of the worst, it's just mechanically awful and the story is dumb as hell. It's on Steam but really, don't get it.
Downpour is the water one but isn't on PC. It's not even that watery though.
Memories is on Wii, and PS2/PSP I think? It plays pretty differently from all the other games and has mixed opinions but most consider it ok.
I think you should just get her to try out Alan Wake really.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

HGH posted:

DON'T get Homecoming. It's by far one of the worst, it's just mechanically awful and the story is dumb as hell. It's on Steam but really, don't get it.
Downpour is the water one but isn't on PC. It's not even that watery though.
Memories is on Wii, and PS2/PSP I think? It plays pretty differently from all the other games and has mixed opinions but most consider it ok.
I think you should just get her to try out Alan Wake really.

There's a new one coming out that had some sort of youtube videodemo or whatever. People were saying it was supposed to be a good silent hill finally, right?

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
Silent Hill 4: The Room is pretty decent, but it's not in any way worth the $50+ it's getting on eBay. Homecoming is the only one of the games on Steam and like HGH says, it's really not good. Most people who loved the second and third games would hate Homecoming. I tried it on the 360 and was bored with it after maybe an hour or two. It's really bad.

Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.

Drifter posted:

There's a new one coming out that had some sort of youtube videodemo or whatever. People were saying it was supposed to be a good silent hill finally, right?

If you mean Silent Hills, that was originally supposed to be produced by Kojima, who just left Konami, so it's up in the air how that will actually turn out.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

King Vidiot posted:

First one is a door glitch where if an enemy intersects with a door pivot they gently caress up and are invincible until they unfuck themselves, second one is the hitbox being bigger than the player thought it was (hint: it extends to the player arm which clearly got hit by a shot pellet there).

Both of those were used by some guy in the HM2 thread to try and prove that HM2 was an unredeemable pile of poo poo. Because a game built on a modified GameMaker engine has some quirks, and hitboxes can cause you to get hosed sometimes in 2D sprite-based games.

Yeah, that second gif is legit; dude got hit and died. :dealwithit:

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Drifter posted:

There's a new one coming out that had some sort of youtube videodemo or whatever. People were saying it was supposed to be a good silent hill finally, right?

Yes, but it's Kojima Productions, who are in the midst of all being shitcanned. So, who knows if that'll even happen.

I'd grab a Wii copy of Shattered Memories and emulate it in Dolphin or something. It's pretty unique.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
^^^ - I'll definitely Pick up Shattered Memories from what you guys have said. Thanks.


That's too bad, but I could really see how easy it would be to gently caress up a game like Silent Hill in order to market it to a larger audience. Not that it's a niche(er) game, but it's certainly more than a FNAF or a Resident Evil/Dead Space experience.

How have the gameplay mechanics changed from SH2 to the more current ones? Or is it that the stories are just not as unique and interesting?

Also, that's sad to hear about the whole Kojima leaving and the end of Silent Hills.

Drifter fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Mar 21, 2015

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
Shattered Memories is flawed but its a really ambitious game and the precursor to the modern style of adventure games focusing more on roleplaying and character interaction.I think its the best post SH3 game in the series and rivals them in some areas. It's definitely worth playing.

But yeah, 2 and 3 are the only ones on PC worth getting (They're actually the best versions thanks to fan mods) but you're going to have track down hard copies or :filez: because they'll probably never be released digitally.

Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Mar 21, 2015

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

Finished Boot Hill Heroes. Pretty solid Earthbound tribute game, though yeah it is short and ends before the story really starts. The second part was being shown at PAX this year so they didn't abandon it, so that's good. The combat is quite a bit different from Earthbound though, it's very active-time and hectic, swapping between attacking and entering combat stances between up to 4 characters all at once.

The most important thing is that it doesn't have an NES sound chip soundtrack. It has an SNES sound chip soundtrack, by the Shovel Knight composer.

Just listen to that glorious SNES trumpet: https://virt.bandcamp.com/track/battle-theme-a

HGH
Dec 20, 2011

Drifter posted:

How have the gameplay mechanics changed from SH2 to the more current ones? Or is it that the stories are just not as unique and interesting?

Also, that's sad to hear about the whole Kojima leaving and the end of Silent Hills.
Well, I think SH2, 3 and 4 more or less play the same. SH4 was actually a completely unrelated game forced to be part of the series I think.
SH5/Homecoming had a focus on combat "because the protagonist is a soldier". Except the combat sucked. I mean, it's not the most amazing thing in previous SH games, but in Homecoming you had to beat on things forever with melee weapons, not to mention fighting actual humans with guns which was dumb. Also it used the same exact plot twist as a previous game, shoehorned Pyramid Head in, and had some really dumb puzzles and multiple endings.
Downpour is totally average I'd say(I don't know the general opinion on it). You pick up melee weapons, they have limited durability. Very rarely you find a regular pistol or shotgun. There are a bunch of sidequests/puzzles all over the city and I think the puzzles are generally better. The enemy variety is a bit nonsensical but serviceable. The plot is ok save for multiple choice past depending on your actions in-game.

Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



Accordion Man posted:

But yeah, 2 and 3 are the only ones on PC worth getting (They're actually the best versions thanks to fan mods) but you're going to have track down hard copies or :filez: because they'll probably never be released digitally.

I got curious and looked these up on Amazon. 3 you can still get for like $25-35 but 2 is off in $100+ crazytown.

I also didn't know there was a PC release of 4, but that's situated right in the middle, price-wise. I assume because it's rarer than 3 but worse than both.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
And if I remember right its not as well optimized as 2 and 3.

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!


WTF! Bugs! In my game!? In this day and age!?

Can't believe Kojima was let go. Oh well. I can't wait to see what crazy rear end poo poo he comes up with now that he'll be on his own. Hopefully he doesn't get disillusioned with all of game development now.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


I have seen approximately zero evidence of Kojima leaving. Lots of dramatic leaps in conclusion though.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Lord Lambeth posted:

I have seen approximately zero evidence of Kojima leaving. Lots of dramatic leaps in conclusion though.

It's pretty obvious at this point. Even just in Konami's wording alone, where they keep commenting on it without denying anything, and then make a statement saying that they're looking to hire new leadership for the next metal gear game. On top of stuff like Kojima Productions being renamed/reorganized, it's hard not to jump to conclusions.

Of course there isn't going to be any real hard evidence saying that he's leaving because there are NDAs and everyone involved wants MGS5 to sell as much as possible.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
^^^ - if they were to confirm his leaving, MG5 would sell out completely for being his 'last metal gear game'. And then all the shitcomplainers gamers would forget and go ahead and buy the next MGS game a few years from now anyway.

Lord Lambeth posted:

I have seen approximately zero evidence of Kojima leaving. Lots of dramatic leaps in conclusion though.

This rumor has cropped up two or three times during previous MGS development as well. But maybe one day it'll be true.

discworld is all I read
Apr 7, 2009

DAIJOUBU!! ... Daijoubu ?? ?

Drifter posted:

^^^ - I'll definitely Pick up Shattered Memories from what you guys have said. Thanks.


That's too bad, but I could really see how easy it would be to gently caress up a game like Silent Hill in order to market it to a larger audience. Not that it's a niche(er) game, but it's certainly more than a FNAF or a Resident Evil/Dead Space experience.

How have the gameplay mechanics changed from SH2 to the more current ones? Or is it that the stories are just not as unique and interesting?

Also, that's sad to hear about the whole Kojima leaving and the end of Silent Hills.
If you have a spare $1.50, Nuuvem has Homecoming on sale and it's a lot better price than the $40 it costs on Steam: http://www.nuuvem.com.br/produto/1914-silent-hill-homecoming

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

I have seen a lot of action movies, and they always say your weapon is an extension of your own body. Your gun was clearly shot. Wax on and wax off more, friend.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Lord Lambeth posted:

I have seen approximately zero evidence of Kojima leaving. Lots of dramatic leaps in conclusion though.

http://www.konami-digital-entertainment.co.jp/en/news/release/2015/0304/?cm_sp=01-_-release-_-20150304-e

You don't just stop being VP of a major company unless you're leaving.

Count Uvula
Dec 20, 2011

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Tezzeract posted:

I have a guy in Act 2, but forgot what my build was and the passives were refunded. Not a huge fan of the skill gem system - I seem to experiment less because of it.

Fire trap with a +1 fire gem wand/sceptre (which you can craft with an orb of alteration and ruby ring, both of which are super easy to get halfway through act 1) clears efficiently while being pretty fun and usable by any class-- as opposed to something like searing bond which is efficient but boring as hell. Dual wield cleave is also fun but less effective early game than 2h cleave since its harder to get good equipment. 2h cleave has the down side of having slow as poo poo attacks which makes it less fun.

Also join the goon guild and there's like 300 gems no one wants in the gstash.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

LordPants posted:

If I wanna just screw around with My Player and drop sick dunks as an Athletic Center, is NBA2k15 gonna scratch that itch on PC? Is not having a controller a problem?

Haven't tried the PC controls but the game is pretty great, if a little heavy on the PC requirements (including install size). Still, it's a lot of fun and you can even make ridiculously monstrous players and make them play point guard if you wanted to.

Watching a 6'0 PG try to guard a 7'3 dude is just hilariously unfair

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

uber_stoat posted:

Did the first game have such problems with doors? I don't remember it, but maybe I've just forgotten. It's really annoying in #2, especially if you're playing hard mode where there is very little room for error or glitchy fuckery.

I thought it did and they patched it.

The Joe Man
Apr 7, 2007

Flirting With Apathetic Waitresses Since 1984
Decided to sit down and finish the last half of Hotline Miami 2 tonight.









poo poo sucks.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
But is the music at least good again?

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Leper Residue posted:

If you mean Silent Hills, that was originally supposed to be produced by Kojima, who just left Konami, so it's up in the air how that will actually turn out.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
PT is so good why god why

Ekster
Jul 18, 2013

Tezzeract posted:

Path of Exile is pretty hard to get into. Are there any advice from vets on how to make the game more streamlined/fun?

Lightning Tendrils and Fire Trap are both excellent for leveling. Use both!

Gem levels make a huge difference for skills that aren't scaled from weapon damage (like the above) so use a recipe to get a +1 to whatever element you need. The recipe is magic wand/sceptre (you can make any item magic by using an orb of transmutation) + orb of alteration + resistance ring of the element you want (ruby/topaz/sapphire rings). In case of Lightning Tendrils and Fire Trap you can dual wield wands/sceptres, one with +1 to lightning and the other +1 to fire. Gem level is way more important than +% cast speed, spell damage, etc. so you can use those wands/sceptres up to Merciless difficulty easily without having to replace them.

The PoE thread is here, plenty of vets there to answer any questions you might have. I also recommend joining the goon guild, the guild stash is filled with leveling equipment, skill gems, etc. and you can ask questions on guild chat. Note that a new 1-month league is starting next Tuesday, most players play the newest league where the economy is fresh and not retarded like in Standard and also for the league-specific mechanics, so I highly recommend starting a character in that league.

Ekster fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Mar 21, 2015

Hellburger99
Jan 24, 2006

"I don't like that mooch...
or her pooch!
"

Drifter posted:

But is the music at least good again?

Very much so.

And I like HLM2 more and more as I play it, though the Hawaii flashback levels are complete bullshit.

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010
Cactus outlined how the AI in Hotline Miami 1 worked in a blog post once. Basically, the further away you were from an enemy when they spotted you, the faster a turn rate they were granted. This was to make it possible - even encouraged - to bumrush gun-wielding enemies from short distances and corners, and to make it impossible to exploit their aim to snake down long corridors.

One of HM2's biggest problems is that they wanted to make all the levels bigger, but they didn't change this behavior at all. So what winds up happening is that a dude sees you from a distance bigger than any level in HM1 ever was, and is granted a Godlike turn rate that causes him to 180 noscope you before you could even see him with zoom look. It was really rare that you could get killed by an enemy that you couldn't even see by zooming in HM1 - it was possible, but rare. In HM2, it happened to me at least once a level, I think.

When I knew HM2 was going to be a series of interconnected short stories that intertwine, like Pulp Fiction, I thought "loving awesome, but I hope they don't go with the worst case scenario, which would be explaining away all the mystery and surrealness that made the first game fun." Unfortunately, that's exactly what they did, and at the cost of implementing some seriously stupid retcons along the way. If Jacket is supposedly a trained killer that was part of an elite squad of soldiers that took huge objectives despite their small size, why does he take a moment to vomit on the ground after being forced to kill a homeless aggressor at the end of the first level of HM1? Why was Richter "threatened" into joining 50 Blessings when at the end of the first game, the Janitors emphasized that they didn't coerce anyone to do it in the phone calls - they just did it on their own? It feels like HM2 is more concerned with canon and lore than a general tone, when I really admired the first game for doing the exact opposite. With all the backstory that HM2 adds to explain just about everything, now HM1 just feels like an incomplete story. Wanna know what the hell is going on? HM1's ending seemed to say "you won't ever get answers and you have to deal with it," but now that HM2 exists, it's more "Buy the sequel if you wanna know what any of this means!"

Also Hotline Miami was way better when Jacket was a weird brutal psychopath and not some kind of action hero like all of HM2's protagonists are/they pretend Jacket was in the first game.

Drifter posted:

But is the music at least good again?

Yeah, but it suffers from the same problem as HM2 itself ironically, where the fact that it's way bigger for the sake of it means there's a ton of filler. The high points of HM1's soundtrack don't even touch the high points of HM2's (Le Perv, Future Club, Sexualizer, Run, The Way Home) but with slightly under 50 tracks, you're gonna get some mediocre stuff.

Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Mar 21, 2015

Terminally Bored
Oct 31, 2011

Twenty-five dollars and a six pack to my name

awesmoe posted:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
PT is so good why god why

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mr. nobody
Sep 25, 2004

Net contents 12 fluid oz.

Sober posted:

Any open world games that have decent collect-a-thons and just plain easy to just play without sound? I've been mostly using Just Cause 2 as podcast fodder but I'm coming pretty close on checking off the entire mess of icons on the map (it's gross, really). Was wondering if there were any recommendations.

This is from a few pages back but I wasn't sure if you needed it to be a FPS so here's a couple suggestions:

Lego games, you can spend lots of time 100%ing the collectables in these, gameplay is easy
Batman Arkham city games have tons of collectibles, but you have to not mind the combat because it seems like there's a lot of that

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