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jassi007 posted:Didn't stop them from reprinting brainstorm which is a significantly less powerful without fetches. They could throw in vivids or something and put a wasteland in and it'd be fine. That was at common though, right? They're making a set that's supposed to be a fun casual draft set. They don't want to put in rares that you have to take because they're worth money instead of the card you actually want to draft for your deck. It's the kind of set where they want the money rares to actually be playable in draft.
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jassi007 posted:Didn't stop them from reprinting brainstorm which is a significantly less powerful without fetches. They could throw in vivids or something and put a wasteland in and it'd be fine. Just make up a cycle of spell lands. Bam, it's got a use.
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Mar 23, 2015 16:50
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Dohaeris posted:It gains first strike till end of turn when it attacks. So presumably, once they attack, they get the ability. Killing something else after that doesn't matter, because it already has first strike. This isn't the same thing as what Entropic is saying above. If they attack me and I respond to declaring attacks by killing a guy that brings their power below 8, is it a first striker or not?
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Mar 23, 2015 16:51
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Dohaeris posted:It gains first strike till end of turn when it attacks. So presumably, once they attack, they get the ability. Killing something else after that doesn't matter, because it already has first strike. Presumably Formidable works like Ferocious, meaning even if the trigger goes on the stack, if it ceases to be true on resolution, you don't get the effect.
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Mar 23, 2015 16:52
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mcmagic posted:This isn't the same thing as what Entropic is saying above. If they attack me and I respond to declaring attacks by killing a guy that brings their power below 8, is it a first striker or not? You can prevent it from getting first strike after it's declared as an attacker, but you have to do it right by killing something in response to the trigger, and be ready to call a judge over to explain Intervening If clauses. Just to be clear, what has to happen is: They attack with Sabertooth and whatever else. That triggers the Sabertooth's formidable ability. You kill something while that ability is on the stack. When that ability resolves, it checks to see if formidable is still active. If it isn't, the Sabertooth doesn't get first strike. Entropic fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 16:53
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mcmagic posted:I also forgot to mention that in the 50 or so packs of DTK i opened this weekend, I'm the proud owner of zero's Sliumgar's Scorn. Mythic uncommons are the worst. This triggers me.
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Mar 23, 2015 16:55
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LordSaturn posted:Pauper just has precious few 2-for-1s, and the ones that exist are always overpriced. There's just no way to value-grind against Ancestral Recall. I also have 4 mulldrifter in my list. All the blue decks get to run all the good legacy cantrips anyway, cruise just took it over the top. I guess divination could be used in tron, might add another flame slash in place of a cruise as well.
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Mar 23, 2015 17:01
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mcmagic posted:I also forgot to mention that in the 50 or so packs of DTK i opened this weekend, I'm the proud owner of zero's Sliumgar's Scorn. Mythic uncommons are the worst. I ended up trading for three Prerelease Night, but I swear more people opened copies of non-promo Zurgo than Lightning Berserker.
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Mar 23, 2015 17:07
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mcmagic posted:I also forgot to mention that in the 50 or so packs of DTK i opened this weekend, I'm the proud owner of zero's Sliumgar's Scorn. Mythic uncommons are the worst. You think it's good enough?
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Mar 23, 2015 17:07
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Hrm. Sabertooth Outrider reads as "Formidable - Whenever Sabertooth Outrider attacks, it gains first strike until end of turn as long as creatures you control have total power 8 or greater. " To me that means once you attack, the formidable trigger goes on the stack and then resolves. Then the other person declares blockers. If they kill it or something else to reduce the total power before declaring blockers or allowing the attack to resolve, then it wouldn't get the first strike. If you declare blockers, then it gets first strike till end of turn even if you kill other stuff. I am also a newer player but that's just how I read it. Am I wrong there?
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Mar 23, 2015 17:10
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I also have 4 mulldrifter in my list. All the blue decks get to run all the good legacy cantrips anyway, cruise just took it over the top. I guess divination could be used in tron, might add another flame slash in place of a cruise as well. Rule #1 of Pauper: If you're trying to run Divination, you're doing something wrong. Are you maxed out on Compulsive Research already?
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Dohaeris posted:Hrm. Sabertooth Outrider reads as "Formidable - Whenever Sabertooth Outrider attacks, it gains first strike until end of turn as long as creatures you control have total power 8 or greater. " Pretty close. It goes on the stack, then you get priority. The opponent needs to kill stuff before it resolves. If your total power is less than 8 WHEN it resolves, then it doesn't get first strike. You're right, if it gets to blockers as-is, then it resolves, since blockers is the step after attackers, and you do get priority in the attackers step (right after declaring attackers)
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Mar 23, 2015 17:13
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Dohaeris posted:Hrm. Sabertooth Outrider reads as "Formidable - Whenever Sabertooth Outrider attacks, it gains first strike until end of turn as long as creatures you control have total power 8 or greater. " "Goes on the stack and then resolves" is where you're getting it wrong. It goes on the stack. Then both players have a chance to respond. Then it resolves once anything that was put on the stack above it resolves. And when it's resolving, it checks if formidable is active.
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Dohaeris posted:Hrm. Sabertooth Outrider reads as "Formidable - Whenever Sabertooth Outrider attacks, it gains first strike until end of turn as long as creatures you control have total power 8 or greater. " Players are allowed to respond to any trigger going on the stack. So if you turn off Formidable before the trigger resolves, the creature will not get first strike. Fun fact: This also works with Flamewake Phoenix. You can respond to its Ferocious trigger by killing their 4-power dude prevent it from coming back. I've seen this be relevant when players who didn't know better tried to turn off Ferocious at the end of Main Phase 1, giving their opponent a chance to cast another 4-power guy before going into combat.
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Mar 23, 2015 17:16
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qbert posted:Fun fact: This also works with Flamewake Phoenix. You can respond to its Ferocious trigger by killing their 4-power dude prevent it from coming back. I've seen this be relevant when players who didn't know better tried to turn off Ferocious at the end of Main Phase 1, giving their opponent a chance to cast another 4-power guy before going into combat. You get priority before attackers are declared anyway, no?
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Mar 23, 2015 17:18
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Rinkles posted:You get priority before attackers are declared anyway, no? Yes but the Ferocious trigger goes on the stack at the beginning of combat, so people who don't know it checks on resolution as well think it's like a Rabblemaster situation, where they have to deal with it in M1.
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Mar 23, 2015 17:22
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LordSaturn posted:Rule #1 of Pauper: If you're trying to run Divination, you're doing something wrong. I miss casting train of thought and oona's grace in pauper 
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Mar 23, 2015 17:22
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bhsman posted:I ended up trading for three Prerelease Night, but I swear more people opened copies of non-promo Zurgo than Lightning Berserker. and of course multiple Commune with Lava
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Mar 23, 2015 17:23
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Now imagine all this but with the batch system instead of a stack.
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So they banned Cruise and left Cloud of Faeries? I mean I guess Familiar and Delver weren't good enough already, thanks for killing U/B Delve and weakening Kiln Fiend while leaving the strongest combo and strongest tempo decks around.
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Mar 23, 2015 17:28
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Hellsau posted:So they banned Cruise and left Cloud of Faeries? I mean I guess Familiar and Delver weren't good enough already, thanks for killing U/B Delve and weakening Kiln Fiend while leaving the strongest combo and strongest tempo decks around. This bothers me too.
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Mar 23, 2015 17:44
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Anyone got a good idea for what you'd name a format that had legacy's banned list and card pool, but, the reserve list was also banned?
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Chronicles
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mcmagic posted:I also forgot to mention that in the 50 or so packs of DTK i opened this weekend, I'm the proud owner of zero's Sliumgar's Scorn. Mythic uncommons are the worst. I can understand cracking a few while basking in the glow of winning, but why would you crack 50+ packs when so many of the rares are obvious casual bulk-bin garbage. Just save them to draft/play sealed with friends.
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Alaan posted:Chronicles Oh gently caress. You're onto something here.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I can understand cracking a few while basking in the glow of winning, but why would you crack 50+ packs when so many of the rares are obvious casual bulk-bin garbage. Just save them to draft/play sealed with friends. C'mon don't answer your own question it makes for bad thread flow!
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LordSaturn posted:Rule #1 of Pauper: If you're trying to run Divination, you're doing something wrong. No, thats a better option. Like I said, I'm new to pauper so I don't know which options to think of for cards like that. Research is definitely better with some of the cards in my list.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I can understand cracking a few while basking in the glow of winning, but why would you crack 50+ packs when so many of the rares are obvious casual bulk-bin garbage. Just save them to draft/play sealed with friends. I only draft at stores, I will need some cards from this set for standard and cracking packs is fun... Zoness posted:C'mon don't answer your own question it makes for bad thread flow! Do you ever post anything that isn't an unprovoked insult?
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If you wanna get on the complain train about cracking packs you really shouldn't be too shocked at people's replies...............
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Mar 23, 2015 18:03
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Spiderdrake posted:If you wanna get on the complain train about cracking packs you really shouldn't be too shocked at people's replies............... I'm not shocked. I know cracking packs is terrible EV. I was just commenting on a poster who is a perpetual rear end in a top hat. The specific issue of cracking packs is irrelevant.
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Kraus posted:Anyone got a good idea for what you'd name a format that had legacy's banned list and card pool, but, the reserve list was also banned? Terrible. Alternatively, Burn: the Format. Miracles might still be a deck too, I guess.
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mcmagic posted:I'm not shocked. I know cracking packs is terrible EV. I was just commenting on a poster who is a perpetual rear end in a top hat. The specific issue of cracking packs is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure it's your fault that you took it as an insult. Maybe you shouldn't think everything is about you in here! Hellsau posted:So they banned Cruise and left Cloud of Faeries? I mean I guess Familiar and Delver weren't good enough already, thanks for killing U/B Delve and weakening Kiln Fiend while leaving the strongest combo and strongest tempo decks around. It's kind of baffling cloud of faeries isn't banned considering their stance on free spells by design but I guess R&D doesn't care enough and thinks that it somehow does more good than harm.
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mcmagic posted:I will need some cards from this set for standard That's no justification for cracking (50+) packs obviously, but I can't argue with having fun. That's pissing away $200 though lol
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Mar 23, 2015 18:22
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MiddleEastBeast posted:That's no justification for cracking packs obviously, but I can't argue with having fun. That's pissing away $200 though lol You're right. It's just human nature to value prize packs less than packs that you buy I guess would be my best explanation. lol And I probably got like 50-60 bucks worth of value so I only pissed away 150 not 200...
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Mar 23, 2015 18:24
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suicidesteve posted:Terrible. Would burn survive the banning of Lightning Bolt? Aaaaaaand, go~!
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MiddleEastBeast posted:That's no justification for cracking (50+) packs obviously, but I can't argue with having fun. That's pissing away $200 though lol I pissed away 80 bucks of value yesterday opening my winnings. I got some stuff I wanted for free, so I'm okay with that. Some people just like to open packs.
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AlternateNu posted:Would burn survive the banning of Lightning Bolt? Would it survive the banning of Chain Lightning or Lava Spike? Yes. Yes, it would.
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I bought a box of DtK because cracking packs is fun and I play enough kitchen table with the roommates that having a big pile of cards to mess with is worth it to me. And I play standard so hopefully I'll get some stuff I'm actually going to use. Only won like 4 packs going 3-1 at my prerelease though. Sigh.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:That's no justification for cracking (50+) packs obviously, but I can't argue with having fun. That's pissing away $200 though lol To be fair lottery pots grow while being value black holes  .
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You know you can open some packs, but not all the packs?mcmagic posted:You're right. It's just human nature to value prize packs less than packs that you buy I guess would be my best explanation.
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