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Dohaeris posted:Hrm. Sabertooth Outrider reads as "Formidable - Whenever Sabertooth Outrider attacks, it gains first strike until end of turn as long as creatures you control have total power 8 or greater. " It actually reads "Formidable — Whenever Sabertooth Outrider attacks, if creatures you control have total power 8 or greater, Sabertooth Outrider gains first strike until end of turn.". The second phrase ("if... greater") is called an "intervening if" clause, which means (1) the ability only triggers and gets put on the stack if creatures you control have power 8 or more and (2) the rest of the ability only actually does something on resolution if creatures you control power 8 or more. So this is what happens when a player with a Sabertooth Outrider and a Summit Prowler attacks:
That's, in a nutshell, how "intervening if" triggers work. I think it's a terribly complex thing to expect new/casual players to know and I don't think it's something that templating or rules should be encouraging in card design, but that's by the by. Whether or not you can stop a card draw off Abzan Beastmaster shouldn't depend on whether there's a comma in the triggered ability or not.
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For people who sometimes spend thousands of dollars on cardboard fantasy art, Magic players sure care a lot about how strangers spend their money. Which is extra funny because time is the most valuable resource anyone has and drafting 50+ packs would likely take literal days worth of time playing a card game unless you want to run huge drafts with your packs.
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Mar 23, 2015 18:38
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50 packs is like exactly 2 drafts for 8 players so I could do that on any day of the week easily.
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Mar 23, 2015 18:48
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Count Bleck posted:I pissed away 80 bucks of value yesterday opening my winnings. Oh I always crack prize packs when it's like 3-5. Like mcmagic said you tend to value prize packs less than ones you paid for. Just could never convince myself to open more than a handful that way, despite the lottery crack feeling.
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Mar 23, 2015 18:50
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AlternateNu posted:Would burn survive the banning of Lightning Bolt? Burn would, but I think if you were looking to power down burn for that guy's format you'd want to hit Fireblast, Chain Lightning, and Lava Spike, in that order (but likely all 3). Fireblast gives burn too much speed, Chain Lightning is the second best bolt in the format, and Lava Spike is arguably worse than Rift Bolt but Rift Bolt is slower, so that goes. At that point I think you've got enough holes in your monocolored bolts that you're splashing and/or relying on a lot more 2 drops, which mean you're no longer a turn 3 consistent clock against the 2/3 color decks that go fetch shock, fetch shock. This way you get to keep Lightning Bolt in the format which is the number 1 reason to play Red as a splash, so you're encouraging diversity.
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Mar 23, 2015 18:55
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mcmagic posted:Do you ever post anything that isn't an unprovoked insult? Lol it's only an insult if the person actually has no friends. Like if someone made that crack at me my reaction would be to chuckle and think "haha the stereotype is that Magic players have no friends" (even though that;s not actually true most of the time) and then not get salty about it because I have friends. If his words strike a little close to home I'm sorry, that sucks that you have no friends, please try to work on that. A good social support group is important in life.
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Mar 23, 2015 18:57
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Also in regards to opening prize packs, I opened my 15 prize packs got Ojutai, Narset, and Sarkhan, so obviously everyone should open all their prize packs because there is ton of value in the set.
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Mar 23, 2015 18:58
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Sigma-X posted:Burn would, but I think if you were looking to power down burn for that guy's format you'd want to hit Fireblast, Chain Lightning, and Lava Spike, in that order (but likely all 3). Fireblast gives burn too much speed, Chain Lightning is the second best bolt in the format, and Lava Spike is arguably worse than Rift Bolt but Rift Bolt is slower, so that goes. Can't you just, uh Fetch for basics like you do in Modern Junk against Burn
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Mar 23, 2015 18:59
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Lets Pickle posted:Lol it's only an insult if the person actually has no friends. Like if someone made that crack at me my reaction would be to chuckle and think "haha the stereotype is that Magic players have no friends" (even though that;s not actually true most of the time) and then not get salty about it because I have friends. If his words strike a little close to home I'm sorry, that sucks that you have no friends, please try to work on that. A good social support group is important in life. It's obviously an insult. I actually do have friends but since we don't know each other in real life there is no way for any of us to actually know that so the only way to take it is as an insult.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:00
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TheKingofSprings posted:Can't you just, uh I mean since the whole point of his great new magic format is to not be modern I would assume you might try to cast spells that aren't siege rhino and therefore to hit like a hymn on turn 2 you would not want to have fetched double swamps.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:05
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mcmagic posted:It's obviously an insult. I actually do have friends but since we don't know each other in real life there is no way for any of us to actually know that so the only way to take it is as an insult. or you know a joke
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Mar 23, 2015 19:05
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gang sines posted:or you know
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Mar 23, 2015 19:07
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poo poo...then yeah it was def a mad ownage burn sry mickey m
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Mar 23, 2015 19:09
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gang sines posted:or you know Sure but when the same person insults you after every post you make that isn't a joke. it's an insult.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:09
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Yeah I mean McMagic is McMagic but stop trying to defend the guy who is very clearly just making GBS threads on him. I don't know why I capitalized like that. MiddleEastBeast posted:Oh I always crack prize packs when it's like 3-5. Like mcmagic said you tend to value prize packs less than ones you paid for. Just could never convince myself to open more than a handful that way, despite the lottery crack feeling. The lesson is Iroas. Many Iroas. As in Iroas'd all that credit to no real return.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:12
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Sigma-X posted:I mean since the whole point of his great new magic format is to not be modern I would assume you might try to cast spells that aren't siege rhino and therefore to hit like a hymn on turn 2 you would not want to have fetched double swamps. I don't think Hymn gets run that much in actual Legacy anymore, does it?
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Mar 23, 2015 19:14
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i got hymned yesterday
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Mar 23, 2015 19:14
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gang sines posted:i got hymned yesterday TheKingofSprings posted:actual Legacy
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Mar 23, 2015 19:15
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by bug delver, a fake legacy deck
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Mar 23, 2015 19:16
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gang sines posted:by bug delver, a fake legacy deck whats bug is that sultai or something Spiderdrake posted:Yeah I mean McMagic is McMagic but stop trying to defend the guy who is very clearly just making GBS threads on him. Look not everyone has time to research the shitpost meta and you just have to wade in knee deep into the augean stables of online content. Zoness fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 19:18
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I appreciate how the clans will be remembered, since they set the wedge, but the dragon broods won't since it's just easier to say "so you want to go gruul / dimir for the 2hg?" than try to remember goofy dragon names. That's a little bit of cute design irony.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:20
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Spiderdrake posted:I appreciate how the clans will be remembered, since they set the wedge, but the dragon broods won't since it's just easier to say "so you want to go gruul / dimir for the 2hg?" than try to remember goofy dragon names. Scuse me, Atarka is a metal as gently caress name, thanks.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:21
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Zoness posted:whats bug is that sultai or something It's pronounced Team America. Hymn really only shows up in Shardless BUG and Jund but it was the first example of a 1 card play that would invite you to find duals to cast your other spells sometime.
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Spiderdrake posted:I appreciate how the clans will be remembered, since they set the wedge, but the dragon broods won't since it's just easier to say "so you want to go gruul / dimir for the 2hg?" than try to remember goofy dragon names. That's a little bit of cute design irony. I'm sure that was intentional.
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Spiderdrake posted:I appreciate how the clans will be remembered, since they set the wedge, but the dragon broods won't since it's just easier to say "so you want to go gruul / dimir for the 2hg?" than try to remember goofy dragon names. That's a little bit of cute design irony. I'm just mad I couldn't play the best dragon brood, Izzet.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:22
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I love how dark impostor is in the new cube list. So good.
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Also where was the Augean Stables card in theros block I am missing out on my rich greek myth.Four Score posted:I'm just mad I couldn't play the best dragon brood, Izzet. "Izzet a dragon brood?". I hope planar chaos 2 has enemy color kartir dragons. Zoness fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Count Bleck posted:Scuse me, Atarka is a metal as gently caress name, thanks. Someone make me an alter of Surrak with a big wailing guitar and the flavor text changed too "There is no greater honor than opening for ATARKA!" I just realized I actually used Hunt caller to give Atarka haste on the weekend. drat that game was a blow out.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:25
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Zoness posted:
This is the most meta shitpost of all time.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:26
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Count Bleck posted:Scuse me, Atarka is a metal as gently caress name, thanks. I think atarka is supposed to be like actually just the "tarkir language" for her name kind of like how "sar khan" means above khans. "A tarka" means like render of tarkir and just her epithet World Render. I like to imagine tarkir people as very not imaginative since they're constantly fighting things.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:28
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Dromoka sounds like a drink Starbucks would make
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Mar 23, 2015 19:28
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Sotar posted:Dromoka sounds like a drink Starbucks would make "I would like a Venti Caramel Dromoka with a shot of Cinnamon dolche, please." Literally me, everytime I go to Starbucks.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:32
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please bolster my coffee w/ some espresso
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Mar 23, 2015 19:34
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I like to drink dro mocha and cola ghan.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:36
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Roast targetting coffee, response?
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Mar 23, 2015 19:37
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gang sines posted:please bolster my coffee w/ some espresso Couple turns later, he flips it up and just goes into the tank, then tries to put two counters on his 5/4 bear. Then just completely crushes his opponent cuz well, you know, Elite Scaleguard.
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Spiderdrake posted:Man, that reminds me, I was watching my friend's buddy struggle with his rather bad opponent's bomby GW deck. Game 2 he loses to Elite Scaleguard. Game 3, he's doing alright, when the dude drops Whisperwood Elemental. Turn passes, manifest goes down and I see him put Scaleguard facedown. I'm thinking like, he will definitely try to bolster when he flips it up. That was quite a Fate pack...
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Sigma-X posted:It's pronounced Team America. Team America isn't BUG Delver. And Hymn is in BUG Delver sometimes. 
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Only got to do one prerelease, but it was fun and at the ChannelFireball Gamecenter. Thankfully a minimum of fedoras, but I did get seated next to two guys arguing about Bolas' spark and how it's not canon because... something. Went Ojutai, which seems kind of janky this block. Half the cards are either bolster or exploit, neither of which really synergize with the clan. It seems to be lacking enough of a card pool to have much of its own identity. Ended up going 2-2. Dropped one because I mulled to 4 twice in a row without seeing more than 1 land, which finished the match for me 3 minutes in. Dropped the other because w/u removal is primarily pacifism/reduce in stature, which works not at all against exploit. Still, I think this promises to be an interesting format. Removal is much more at hand and the commons/uncommons have a pretty high power curve, which should help temper half the rares being a big fuckoff flier and the bombyness of FRF.
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Spiderdrake posted:Man, that reminds me, I was watching my friend's buddy struggle with his rather bad opponent's bomby GW deck. Game 2 he loses to Elite Scaleguard. Game 3, he's doing alright, when the dude drops Whisperwood Elemental. Turn passes, manifest goes down and I see him put Scaleguard facedown. I'm thinking like, he will definitely try to bolster when he flips it up. Who's crushing who? Is it the cheater or the friend of a friend? I want to know if I should feel vindicated or outraged in this tale, all seriousness here.
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