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Ted Cruz Boldly Declares Nation Not Deserving Of Better Candidate
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Mar 23, 2015 20:57
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Any way to check how much "Ready for Hillary" is donating to the Ted Cruz superpac?
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Mar 23, 2015 20:58
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De Nomolos posted:I swear there's a Jerry Fallwell quote about how Catholics are idolaters out there somewhere and I wish I could find it. Santorum and Cruz would rip each other apart. Liberty is conservative Republican first, anything else second.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:59
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Ted Cruz shut the government down and still can't exactly tell you why. Well he can't publicly say why, revealing it was all a popularity/fundraising stunt defeats the purpose.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:01
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De Nomolos posted:I swear there's a Jerry Fallwell quote about how Catholics are idolaters out there somewhere and I wish I could find it. Santorum and Cruz would rip each other apart. Yeah, I really think that Santorum just lucked into being the runner-up by going hog loving wild in Iowa. What a strategy. You are dead on; if it comes down to Santorum trying to fight Cruz, (Since Huckabee is not taking this election seriously) I think Cruz will kick the poo poo out of Santorum for being Catholic, because it's the Baptist and Evangelical core that he has to pull, not the Catholics, who will vote for the pro-life Republican no matter what poo poo he's said about idolatry. Gotta save them fetuses.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:04
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CaptainCarrot posted:That's an interesting 'fact' to focus on, since Romney actually got half a million votes more than McCain, while Obama lost about 4 million. Hm. Well I'll have to look at numbers again, whatever the figures and math used I seem to distinctly remember the figure of "6 million conservative voters stayed home because we nominated Romney" being thrown around. Yeah, and I think this was actually somewhat distinct from the analysis that looked strictly at going even harder and with greater purity with the white voters. That went something like "guys? guys? Forget about needing to make inroads with minority voters, I got some figures here that show that all we need is to wring the last little ribbon of white voter toothpaste out of the tube and we're fine!" and I thought it was promoted by sources not so marginal as VDARE.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:16
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What's interesting about 2016 is how a lot of candidates are basically knockoffs of the 2012 circus. - Jeb Bush is basically Mitt Romney. He's the unbearably dull inevitability that makes people scream out for anybody else. Except he has the Bush name attached, which is poison to anyone not registered Republican, and also quite a few registered Republicans. - Scott Walker is basically Rick Perry. Both are incredibly lovely governors, but the key difference between the two is that Scott Walker can't fall back on "THAT'S HOW WE ROLL IN THE LONE STAR STATE! YEE HAAAAW!" - Ted Cruz is a Michelle Bachmann more palatable to the GOP base. He has a great speaking voice, and doesn't have crazy bug eyes. - Mike Huckabee is an even shittier Rick Santorum. Both are die-hard theocrats, but as we've seen recently, Huckabee is also a straight-up scam artist. - Rand Paul is Ron Paul. This one isn't hard at all, come on. - Ben Carson is Herman Cain. Plenty in common. Both have no political experience, no idea about how things actually work, and of course, the only reason they're even slightly relevant to the Republican Primaries: they both love to eat pizza. - Bobby Jindal is Tim Pawlenty because Iowa may as well be on the moon for him. Now here is where things get messier. In terms of voting record, Chris Christie is unquestionably the John Huntsman equivalent, while Marco Rubio is more comparable to Newt Gingrich. However, in terms of personality, Chris Christie is basically a perfect match to Newt Gingrich, as they are both unbelievable assholes and incredibly confrontational. Rubio isn't as perfect a match to Huntsman in terms of personality, but both do have that whole "amicable guy who is not the establishment" thing going for them, though Huntsman actually had the voting record to back up the narrative of him being The Only Sane Man. Basically the 2016 Primaries are essentially going to be a remake of a movie that came out four years ago.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:34
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JEB is much more conservative than Romney ever was. Don't underestimate him.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:36
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Just for fun, I'm reading transcripts of the oral argument before the Supreme Court that Cruz participated in. They concern complex topics, and there are really no short snappy quotes of his you could put in a campaign ad. But it's still fun to imagine his voice saying:quote:MR. CRUZ: quote:JUSTICE KENNEDY: Both from Panetti v. Quarterman, 551 U. S. 930 (2007) William Bear fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 21:40
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Shageletic posted:JEB is much more conservative than Romney ever was. Don't underestimate him. Truth in this quote. JEB is the silken glove with the matte-black serrated knife concealed inside. He's relatively charming (for a republican) and relatively well-spoken, with a dash of minority appeal given his family and governorship. He's a goddamn snake and will sell the national parks to Russia if it meant a penny extra in his campaign fund.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:41
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William Bear posted:Both from Panetti v. Quarterman, 551 U. S. 930 (2007) Isn't it Cruz's contention that the homosexuals are in fact conspiring to ruin America?
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Mar 23, 2015 21:51
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quote:In fact one of the ones we recently litigated involved an individual who was convinced he was on death row and being executed because there was a conspiracy of Jews and homosexuals that was out to get them -- out to get him. That sort of delusion unfortunately is not uncommon on death row and it is not uncommon in prisons for paranoia... Hrmmm, yes as opposed to the FOX News headmaster who requested extra armor on his corner office because the gays were going to shoot RPG's at him. You know, the one who employed Glenn Beck back when Glenn was describing George Soros as a Jewish Nazi whose slippery tentacles puppet mastered the entire liberal world via his giant pile of money.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:52
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:What's interesting about 2016 is how a lot of candidates are basically knockoffs of the 2012 circus. Walker isn't Perry. He's smarter, a better politician and more evil.
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Mar 23, 2015 21:59
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mcmagic posted:Walker isn't Perry. He's smarter 
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Mar 23, 2015 22:10
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He looks like a fool but he didn't win THREE elections in a blue state and singlehandedly destroy the union movement in that state by accident.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:12
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mcmagic posted:He looks like a fool but he didn't win THREE elections in a blue state and singlehandedly destroy the union movement in that state by accident. Not by accident, no - he had some very wealthy people backing him.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:18
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DaveWoo posted:Not by accident, no - he had some very wealthy people backing him. And they are going to stop backing him when he's running for president? BTW it's more than just that. He can appeal to both brands of the GOP and is able to hide his extremism better than pretty much any other republican candidate in front of a general electorate.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:21
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William Bear posted:That sort of delusion unfortunately is not uncommon on death row and it is not uncommon in prisons for paranoia... Christ, isn't "that sort of delusion" a central plank of the GOP platform?
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Mar 23, 2015 22:27
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mcmagic posted:And they are going to stop backing him when he's running for president? BTW it's more than just that. He can appeal to both brands of the GOP and is able to hide his extremism better than pretty much any other republican candidate in front of a general electorate. He can spend as much money as he wants, it's not going to have much of an effect in the general.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:28
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mcmagic posted:And they are going to stop backing him when he's running for president? BTW it's more than just that. He can appeal to both brands of the GOP and is able to hide his extremism better than pretty much any other republican candidate in front of a general electorate. A presidential election is an entirely different beast. Sarah Palin won election to her governorship too. Walker has the charisma of a wet paper towel, and there are some things that money just cannot buy. Especially in this social media age.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:28
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I question walker's viability not for any policy reasons, but because his position in Wisconsin is so dependent on a very regionally-specific, hyper-specialized machine. I don't know how well he can fare without it (once his current Not-Jeb-of-the-month momentum fades) and doubt his ability to construct a national-level organization to match it. He reminds me of all those old-timey dixiecrats who looked unbeatable with the state machinery behind them, but had no national viability to speak of and were never serious contenders at the national level. He doesn't have the benefit of a single-party system like most of those guys did, but I think he is in a similar situation w/r/t his indebtedness to local power brokers and his adeptness with the specific regional hot-buttons of the upper midwest. He has (or used to have) a reputation as a social moderate, so he may have trouble competing in southern/western states where they vaguely hate unions for the sake of Team Identy Politics but don't really know what a union is or spend much time thinking about them. At the same time he is conservative enough that he might be unable to overcome more centrist or libertarian-inclined candidates on the coasts. what I'm saying is I'll worry about the prospect of President Walker after I see him win a primary in a state that doesn't have a prairie
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Mar 23, 2015 22:36
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Scott Walker is one of the most anti-union candidates there is, though. 
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Mar 23, 2015 22:39
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mcmagic posted:He can appeal to both brands of the GOP and is able to hide his extremism better than pretty much any other republican candidate in front of a general electorate. Really? He's already stumbled over himself on the issues of evolution and abortion, and his attempt to claim experience in foreign policy was downright laughable. I'm just not seeing anything particularly special about the guy.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:39
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He got the gubernatorial nomination by riding off of the local AM radio hosts in the Milwaukee area, from what I read.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:40
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mcmagic posted:He looks like a fool but he didn't win THREE elections in a blue state and singlehandedly destroy the union movement in that state by accident. Election One he went up against Tom Barrett, who isn't a particular charmer but was also in the election cycle where we voted out Russ Feingold for the blank slate that is Ron Johnson, so, eh. Anyone on the Republican ticket probably would have won. Election Two (Recall!) the Dems ran... Tom Barret. Again. A lot of folks voted for him simply because they disagreed with the process or notion of a recall. Election Three the Dems ran a unknown lady named Mary Burke who is an executive and member of the Madison school board. Man that sounds like good qualifications for a governor. What I'm getting at is that Walker's never really ran against a strong opponent. The only reason he's been able to do anything in Wisconsin is that he has a super majority. I'm really looking forward to watching him run for Pres cause he's gonna crash and burn so hard. He'll be this election year's Paul Ryan.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:44
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PupsOfWar posted:He doesn't have the benefit of a single-party system like most of those guys did, but I think he is in a similar situation w/r/t his indebtedness to local power brokers and his adeptness with the specific regional hot-buttons of the upper midwest.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:47
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EatinCake posted:I'm really looking forward to watching him run for Pres cause he's gonna crash and burn so hard. He'll be this election year's Paul Ryan.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:47
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Don't you mean Rick Perry? But yeah, Rick Perry too.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:50
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See, the key difference between Scott Walker and Paul Ryan is that we've actually seen Scott Walker's plan in action. And boy, are those results damning.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:53
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Scott Walker is one of the most anti-union candidates there is, though. machine politics isn't all about unions. If it was then no Republican would ever win an election. churches matter, volunteer and outreach programs matter, local mavens matter, county and municipal-level hierarchies matter, media - especially local media, in low-turnout elections - matters. All of these things can be bolted together into a state-level Republican machine. Scott Walker has all those things in his corner in Wisconsin, and wins primarily by working the local angles to goad the shared Milwaukee/Chicago white-flight zone into a frothing-at-the mouth voting frenzy that nets 70% turnout and 80% margins, secondarily by being bland enough that the agrarian populists along the upper mississippi don't come looking for his blood with the same enthusiasm they would if he were a flamboyant oligarch. Dane County and Milwaukee get outvoted by the densely-populated and viciously racist suburban belt of southeastern wisconsin, where Walker has a unique appeal. When he goes national he will have to fight other candidates - many of them with more advantageous connections - for those corresponding factions and power brokers in other states. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Mar 23, 2015 22:53
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I don't think Walker has yet shown that he has any political chops whatsoever. You can get even get elected Governor or Senator with relatively poor speaking skills and personal appeal/charisma if you have the right state and setup supporting you, but it's hard to get elected President that way. I'll grant that Walker has done it in Wisconsin so it's a bit more impressive than, say, Rick Scott winning in Florida. Perry is a good example, the GOP nominee in Texas is elected by default so he could be a multi term Governor with very little ability to debate or do a rousing stump speech. He was exposed badly right out the gate last time. It will be interesting to see if he is much improved aside from the smarty glasses once he is no longer, theoretically, hopped up on goofballs. I feel like much as Rick Perry represented Gun Loving Bible Thumping Son of the South/Texas which GOP voters love, Walker represents Uncompromising Union Busting Righty Who Drives Liberals Mad!, he's just a symbol and as far as I can see has not proven yet that he has any chops on the national stage. Now let him light it up in some debates or show some serious ability on the stump once he actually declares and I may sing a different tune, but I think his current position as a front runner or near to it will be as thin as tissue paper once shots begin to be fired in anger. While I absolutely loathe Cruz, I think he has a million more times the charisma and intelligence of someone like Walker, I just think he's unelectable (I hope) because of the position he's staked out on the political spectrum.
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Mar 23, 2015 22:53
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A good home page: http://www.tedcruz.com/
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Mar 23, 2015 23:03
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Who is more a religious nut Cruz or Santorum?
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Mar 23, 2015 23:14
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who is more a religious nut
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Mar 23, 2015 23:18
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mcmagic posted:He looks like a fool but he didn't win THREE elections in a blue state and singlehandedly destroy the union movement in that state by accident. Wisconsin is not a blue state outside of the counties of Dane, Milwaukee and portions of Fond du Lac and Winnebago.
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Mar 23, 2015 23:23
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mcmagic posted:He looks like a fool but he didn't win THREE elections in a blue state and singlehandedly destroy the union movement in that state by accident. *Takes money from Koch brothers to outspend labor 8 to 1* *Proposes fill-in-the-blank legislation written by ALEC* A fool... or a criminal mastermind???
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Mar 23, 2015 23:26
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Timby posted:Wisconsin is not a blue state outside of the counties of Dane, Milwaukee and portions of Fond du Lac and Winnebago. Cali is not a blue state outside of SF and LA.
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Mar 23, 2015 23:27
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Zeitgueist posted:Cali is not a blue state outside of SF and LA. Milwaukee and Madison make up about 1/4 of Wisconsin's population. The population of San Francisco and Los Angeles comprise just under half of California's.
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Mar 23, 2015 23:35
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mcmagic posted:and is able to hide his extremism better than pretty much any other republican candidate in front of a general electorate. Eh, I'd hold off on that declaration until he's faced an audience wider than Wisconsin. Especially considering he straight up used the word "punt" when asked about an issue he wasn't prepared for.
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Mar 23, 2015 23:36
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His existing machine may not work outside Wisconsin, but the thing is he'll be using the national GOP machine. It's plug and play man, insert candidate, all the components do their job
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Mar 23, 2015 23:41
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