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Graic Gabtar posted:Enjoy it. After this we enter a desolate wasteland of elections that people probably don't give a gently caress about.
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Fruity Gordo posted:Join the shoppies and change them from within
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Fruity Gordo posted:Join the shoppies and burn them from within
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Mar 24, 2015 11:21
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, the next scheduled election (after NSW this weekend) is NT in August 2016, which means the Federal poll might even be the next actual one. The latest the Federal election can be held is January 2017. Before that is NT and ACT in 2016. Thanks Google. Probably going to be a November 2016 Federal vote though methinks.
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The Libs will probably lose the WA state election in 2016? But that's set to be after the Federal, iirc.
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Abbott could have the election as late as mid January 2017. Which is within the realm of possibility because he's a megalomaniac that would try hold onto power as long as he can.
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Fruity Gordo posted:Join the shoppies and change them from within I know a Labor Left member who is unironically trying to do this. Sorry for ruining your joke.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:27
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Anidav posted:I know a Labor Left member who is unironically trying to do this. Sorry for ruining your joke. Doesn't make it any less funny.
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thatfatkid posted:Doesn't make it any less funny. He works for their call centre and hopes to climb his way up and change it.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:32
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Anidav posted:I know a Labor Left member who is unironically trying to do this. Sorry for ruining your joke. Why the gently caress would anyone trade off penalty rates. That is the last thing on the list to reform as far as I'm concerned.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:34
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Yes, A union knifed them and Labor came out supporting the Union publicly.
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A January election would mean campaigning over Christmas (and holding an election during school holidays) which is probably a terrible idea. To my knowledge there has never been a Federal election in January.Murodese posted:The Libs will probably lose the WA state election in 2016? But that's set to be after the Federal, iirc.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:37
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Anidav posted:Yes, A union knifed them and Labor came out supporting the Union publicly. If so that if loving ridiculous by Shorten. Don't the members get a vote?
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Mar 24, 2015 11:37
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Doctor Spaceman posted:A January election would mean campaigning over Christmas (and holding an election during school holidays) which is probably a terrible idea. To my knowledge there has never been a Federal election in January. Unless the Coalition has some miraculous recovery, which I doubt.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:39
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The biggest reason for an early election (like, June or July) would be a DD after the passage of a populist budget full of handouts. I don't think that's that likely though.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:43
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llol you are actually really dumb and not just pretending....awesome. I thought there was a decent troll about.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:48
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The biggest reason for an early election (like, June or July) would be a DD after the passage of a populist budget full of handouts. I don't think that's that likely though. The budget will be hosed until the people decide they want to unfuck it so they will kick that can down the road I expect. With Abbott a festering anal fissure and the Treasurer being on par for intelligence with a talking monkey the best the Libs can hope for is the spotlight to sloooowly move over to Bill Shorten's game. I think at the moment his only claim to fame since the last election is screwing over Albo. Bill was no great shake under Gillard and the Government will be hoping for some slip ups.
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sausage eyes posted:llol you are actually really dumb and not just pretending....awesome. I thought there was a decent troll about.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:53
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Jonah Galtberg posted:I'm adding "anime watcher" to the list of grievances against you Anime Dave Ani Dav Anidav.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:55
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Murodese posted:The Libs will probably lose the WA state election in 2016? But that's set to be after the Federal, iirc. Hahaha no they won't WA hosed Except for random towns like Denmark that vote 1/3rd green because they are nearly all hippies.
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The summary on the nightly news was that they got an increase of $60 (I think) a week and annual 3% increases in return for no overtime rates during the week (ha!) and only 50% on Sundays. And the option to 'refuse to work on the weekend' which is a bullshit concession as that should be the status quo anyway. So you've given up the right for more money, in return for being able to not work when you could have earned that money? Sick of all this 'in our modern day world businesses are trading 7 days a week' bullshit too. The point of a standard week is to have common days to rest, go out, socialise etc.. Ask anyone that does shift work or weekend work whether it effects their social life, the answer is obviously that it does.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:56
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Pred1ct posted:The summary on the nightly news was that they got an increase of $60 (I think) a week and annual 3% increases in return for no overtime rates during the week (ha!) and only 50% on Sundays. And the option to 'refuse to work on the weekend' which is a bullshit concession as that should be the status quo anyway. So you've given up the right for more money, in return for being able to not work when you could have earned that money? What's the rules on unions in workplaces? Can a better union than the SDA start up in the same workplaces?
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Kommando posted:Anime Dave
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Graic Gabtar posted:Agree. I expect the Government to adopt a low profile, don't shake the boat, steady as she goes, station keeping operating model - with plenty of handouts. lol this analysis is a bit juvenile in a serious tone but ok in the abstract of reality tv newspapers and political parties with dinosaur park men. You are still really dumb though and it is funny when you take on the serious analysis writing style...like the fat kid in kindergarten bragging about his dad except there is no dad, just a dickhead bragging about a thing that never existed and acting super smug when anyone questions it. You get extra stickers this week because everyone feels sorry for you. Want to join the friendship club?
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sausage eyes posted:lol this analysis is a bit juvenile in a serious tone but ok in the abstract of reality tv newspapers and political parties with dinosaur park men. You are still really dumb though and it is funny when you take on the serious analysis writing style...like the fat kid in kindergarten bragging about his dad except there is no dad, just a dickhead bragging about a thing that never existed and acting super smug when anyone questions it. You get extra stickers this week because everyone feels sorry for you. Want to join the friendship club?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:A January election would mean campaigning over Christmas (and holding an election during school holidays) which is probably a terrible idea. To my knowledge there has never been a Federal election in January. I agree that it would a stupid move to have the campaign over Christmas, but wouldn't that suit the Liberals more than the rest? Lower voter turn out overall, but higher voter turn out skewed towards the older generations who vote LNP. In any case it's probably too hard to guess when the next federal election will be. There's just too many factors in the mix: leadership spill, angry electorate, DD however low possibility that may be. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if we're going to the polls by either this November or March next year.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Got a lot of anger there mate. Something you need to share? Have a bad day? Just dickheads with macho posturing and arrogant nothing instead of knowledge and policy analysis. It should piss you off too but I guess you were busy sniffing your socks or flexing when people were trying to give you the "empathy" and "being a citizen" talks.
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my stepdads beer posted:What's the rules on unions in workplaces? Can a better union than the SDA start up in the same workplaces? Actually, having re-read the article it doesn't (necessarily) seem as horrible as I thought. The SDA have created a 'template' together with Business SA of what they think are 'fair' conditions for a retail enterprise agreement. They haven't affected the award or anything like that. Enterprise agreements are made directly between the employees and the employer, and they may have a union advising the employees and also helping represent the employees in the process of bargaining. But using a union is entirely up to the employees. So for any group of employees that are currently represented by the Shoppies this is a good time to tell them to gently caress right off, that they don't want to be represented by them and that for any bargaining they do in the future penalty rates will be off the table.
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I think a January election would annoy too many people, including their own MPs and supporters. Same reason that the football finals are avoided, just writ large.
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sausage eyes posted:Just dickheads with macho posturing and arrogant nothing instead of knowledge and policy analysis. It should piss you off too but I guess you were busy sniffing your socks or flexing when people were trying to give you the "empathy" and "being a citizen" talks. Just a lot of opinionated anger in your posting there mate. Lots of insults, lots of bile. Things not turning out like you expected or something? It's like you are just enraged because I dare to be here. Is that it?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I think a January election would annoy too many people, including their own MPs and supporters. Same reason that the football finals are avoided, just writ large.
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asio posted:They don't cover retail workers. They do however cover everyone from Short Order Cook to Hand-Setter (Mechanical Clocks) so you have to find something like that. They don't mind drawing long bows. I can remember someone once said there was another union retail workers could join besides the useless SDA. I think it was the NUW but finding which unions cover which jobs is surprisingly difficult. Most links lead to the ACTU - Which union for your job? page which lists all the unions but doesn't specify which unions do what. Sure, with a lot of them it's easy to figure out. Aust. Education Union, Aust Writers' Guild, Rail Tram and Bus Union, and so on. Google tells me more than 1.2 million people work retail in this country, surely they have someone willing to give them a voice? Mind you, I realise at this point I've probably spent more effort thinking about this today than most of the people working retail have. When you're young you just don't give a poo poo about this. Only once you're old enough to have been hosed over a few times do you realise how important it is to have someone in your corner. By then most have moved on to other jobs. But that's changing now, more and more. Go into a fast food joint or a servo and odds are the person behind the counter will be over 30. Anidav posted:Yes, A union knifed them and Labor came out supporting the Union publicly. New Matilda had this article: quote:Under the agreement the Sunday pay rate - which is normally double the base-rate - would drop to time and a half, while public holiday penalty rates would drop from double time and a half down to double time. Not quite as horrible as I thought. But the first comment (yeah, I know, reading comments) points out "Once penalty rates are gone what guarantees the wage rates in the long term?"
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Graic Gabtar posted:Just a lot of opinionated anger in your posting there mate. Lots of insults, lots of bile. Things not turning out like you expected or something? It's like you are just enraged because I dare to be here. Is that it? There is a bit of bile and rage. Congratulations it is just for you and other poo poo, privileged Australians who are all show and no grow. Every time someone asks you a question, shift the goalpost, insult and move away. Any insult is a reflection of the opponent. Any fact is just another reason to pretend that evidence does not lead to conclusions. Bullying culture writ large in a bores outfit with a wanker hat on. Nothing daring, nothing interesting...obfuscation, purposeful ignorance, displacement and boorish, inept analysis. One of many in a long line of farts from long dead rich white men.
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