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Ripoff posted:I'm honestly struggling with this, maybe you can enlighten me - if I were to go into the office at work, completely drunk, and berate and attack a co-worker for making a mistake, I would be fired instantly. I would be fired because I failed to show restraint like a civilized adult, and I would create a hostile and threatening work environment which would be a detriment to everyone else involved. I've been involved in exactly this situation several times as an observer, minus the actual physical violence (but not necessarily without the threat of physical violence), and it's really a matter of how people handle it afterward. It's not the end of the world unless the people involve make it the end of the world. Now, this also depends on Tymon's actual feelings on the matter, since he was the victim. It is his choice whether to consider an apology and/or other punitive action as sufficient, or not. Presuming he, the victim, was willing and able to make up with Jezza, I think it's unreasonable to say that Clarkson must be fired. This does not mean it's appropriate behaviour, but there's a vast gap between "proper workplace behaviour" and "must be fired for doing that."
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JohnSherman posted:On the other hand, he looks like this: My earlier comment on wanting to punch him in the face still stands. 
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CommieGIR posted:Either way, between punching people and making racist/bigoted comments, he set himself up for eventual issues. He's only been accused of making racist comments twice. Once in that instance of the un-aired footage that Daily Mirror got a hold of, and in Burma which Andy Wilman ultimately took responsibility for since "slope" went through BBC's entire production crew without anyone realizing it was racist. And yes, beating up a producer was still a dumb thing to do. Just in case it wasn't clear. CoreDuo fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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CommieGIR posted:I propose Top Gear: Black Adder This would be amazing. I still want Taki Inoue to be involved somehow, though.
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Comrade Flynn posted:It's one reason of many I live here. Paying as little as you can in taxes isn't complaining about them.
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DOOMocrat posted:"Follow the standards everyone else follows, as per our policy." That's not a trap. If anything, it's leniency there was a warning. Maybe Clarkson is, by his own admission, an incompatible dinosaur. So it goes!
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Why did he even deserve a warning? He didn't say the word, the mumble in which people tried really really hard to hear the word never even made it to broadcast, and the whole thing was a massive non-event. If the warning had come after the "slope" thing I'd have understood it (though apparently that wasn't Clarkson's idea) it'd make sense because I still think he knew it was a slur, but an indistinct mumble in an unbroadcast cut? And he himself cut it haha. But yeah what a racist.
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Bumming Your Scene posted:Is "sausage roll" what the English call hot dogs? 
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Sir Tonk posted:mods please move thread to gbs, tia. Fixed
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Ripoff posted:I'm honestly struggling with this, maybe you can enlighten me - if I were to go into the office at work, completely drunk, and berate and attack a co-worker for making a mistake, I would be fired instantly. I would be fired because I failed to show restraint like a civilized adult, and I would create a hostile and threatening work environment which would be a detriment to everyone else involved. Why is it that Clarkson shouldn't be fired for something like that? Why is it that, when he showed that he couldn't drink like a responsible man and act like a mature adult when something bad happened to him, he gets a free pass to act out like a spoiled child? Clarkson wasn't doing an office job. Do you rage against the machine anytime an NFL player doesn't get kicked out of the league for a fight?
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CoreDuo posted:Can we take a moment to appreciate James May's ridiculous hat? It's a pretty fantastic hat. Wanna wear that hat.
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Cole posted:Clarkson wasn't doing an office job. Do you rage against the machine anytime an NFL,NBA,MLB,NHL,MLS,NCAA, "reality show" player doesn't get kicked out of the league for a fight?
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itt we Americans struggle with not being able to beat our underlings mercilessly
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A producer in a hotel room is exactly the same as a trained athlete in full pads on a field, we now all see that our social beliefs are in error. A Good Comparison. Also, if one person is hitting another person and it isn't a fight, they DO get kicked out.
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T1g4h posted:It's a pretty fantastic hat. Wanna wear that hat. It's proof that he's a goon
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Itzena posted:So for the people defending "the Talent" - where is the line drawn? Rod Stewart gave me a dirty look from across a nightclub once twenty years ago and I'm still salty he wasn't executed on the spot.
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BraveUlysses posted:It's proof that he's a goon I'd believe it. He seems like the kind of guy to post in AI. Someone should buy him an account if he doesn't have one already 
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Comrade Flynn posted:It's one reason of many I live here. Paying as little as you can in taxes isn't complaining about them. It's still kinda gaming the system in a way that I think is a bit unfair and a detriment to the country as a whole (rich people paying a lower percentage of their income than the middle class...  ), but you're right that everybody generally wants to pay as little in taxes as possible and that most people take that into account when choosing where to live, regardless of income. In any case, it's absolutely not a discussion that should be framed as an attack on you or a discussion to be had in this thread. Or probably anywhere on the internet really.And I don't condone the line of rhetoric that you referenced (also that was posted after I had made my initial point) and most of the people disagreeing with you haven't either. Notice how I haven't been like "yeah man, spot on!" with any of those hyperbolic posts. I currently work in education reform and it really rubs me the wrong way when people go all "SJWs  " because there's an absolute ton of institutional/cultural/social inequality and abuse that lives under the surface and isn't really known or noticeable to a lot of people, regardless of age or politics. More often than not, it isn't intentional or overt or even something that requires any sort of punishment. But a lot of people get dismissive or defensive when it gets brought up. It's easy to show someone a lynching and be like "see this here is bad" but it's an order of magnitude harder to present the sort of case that requires an academic study with a statistical dataset and complicated factors or direct personal experience or a working understanding of how a given field (like education) operates to give it credibility. People generally don't like to be told that some aspect of the way that they/society are doing something causes problems worth addressing and it's easy to dismiss it as excessive liberal handwringing or whatever if it isn't screamingly obvious.It doesn't even have to be particularly complex. Look at the whole Penny Arcade "I can't possibly misunderstand how rape culture works because I love my wife and I'd never sexually assault anyone which is why I'm gonna stick it to all of you SJW free speech-killing drama queens by endorsing the sale of 'Team Rape' shirts at PAX" debacle from a few years ago. It's a loving tragedy that legitimate social/academic/advocacy concepts have been so thoroughly tainted by the pansexual special snowflake Tumblr set because I already get to deal with pushback and dismissal from politicians and administrators in person on a regular basis. Coming home and seeing a generation of otherwise intelligent mostly-youngish mostly-dudes (and mostly-people who could actually effect real change by simply just being aware of poo poo) dismiss real issues outright "because SJWs and drama queens" (I'm not necessarily talking about SA, mind you) is so disheartening sometimes. Yes, today's been one of "those days" at work. Also, Top Gear as we know it won't exist anymore and I'm legitimately really sad about that.
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DOOMocrat posted:A producer in a hotel room is exactly the same as a trained athlete in full pads on a field, we now all see that our social beliefs are in error. A Good Comparison. Also, if one person is hitting another person and it isn't a fight, they DO get kicked out. So you agree that the definition of assault differs based on profession? They get kicked out for the game, not for life.
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Cole posted:So you agree that the definition of assault differs based on profession? They get kicked out for the game, not for life. Every NHL and NFL player I know of that's committed assault has lost twenty games to a season, for a first offense. Edit: Also, the personal conduct policy of the BBC probably differs from most pro sports leagues. DOOMocrat fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Itzena posted:So for the people defending "the Talent" - where is the line drawn?
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Electric Bugaloo posted:It's still kinda gaming the system in a way that I think is a bit unfair and a detriment to the country as a whole (rich people paying a lower percentage of their income than the middle class... I mean, if you liked two places equally well, but one place you'd save $100k a year in taxes, there's no way you wouldn't pick that place. Plus I just happened to already be here when I started my company, but I won't lie in saying the no state income tax is a pretty big reason I won't move back to California, among other things. Also the special pansexual snowflake Tumblr set ARE the SJWs we are all making fun of. Actual people doing advocacy and making change? Nope. You should hate SJWs more than anyone given they undermine you.
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Comrade Flynn posted:Also the special pansexual snowflake Tumblr set ARE the SJWs we are all making fun of. Actual people doing advocacy and making change? Nope. You should hate SJWs more than anyone given they undermine you. It's not the social activist's fault that you equate LiveJournal 2.0 fictive headspace roleplayers with actually embracing change.
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Comrade Flynn posted:I mean, if you liked two places equally well, but one place you'd save $100k a year in taxes, there's no way you wouldn't pick that place. I dig. Comrade Flynn posted:Also the special pansexual snowflake Tumblr set ARE the SJWs we are all making fun of. Actual people doing advocacy and making change? Nope. You should hate SJWs more than anyone given they undermine you. DOOMocrat posted:It's not the social activist's fault that you equate LiveJournal 2.0 fictive headspace roleplayers with actually embracing change.
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By all accounts, Oisin basically just stood there and took the abuse from Clarkson, convinced he was out of a job. Arguing that he should "suck it up" or calling him a pussy for not taking it like a man or whatever is ridiculous, especially considering he wasn't even the one to report it. And calling it a slap fight or an argument about cold meats implies Oisin gave as good as he got and paints it all as a simple disagreement between friends, when in reality it was Clarkson basically shooting the messenger. If possible, I'd prefer it if they shook hands and made up and got on with their lives as producer and producer/writer/host of Top Gear, but I can't really say that it's wrong for someone to be fired over verbally and physically abusing a coworker. Apparently other crewmembers felt uncomfortable about it, so it wasn't something that could just be ignored either. e: a little late to the party, didn't mean to continue the derail. If they try to continue without Clarkson, I love James May enough to watch as long as he is present. And Hammond, I guess. But if May and/or Hammond leaves as well, then it'd take a lot for me to give whatever it turns into a chance. Scherloch fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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I grew up in a city where it wasn't unusual for bar fights to turn into knife or gun incidents, and I am absolutely flabbergasted that anybody could think it's normal for anyone to so much as touch a coworker against their will, much less attack them. In the workplace, there are rules about how conflicts are resolved. How you settle disputes with your cousins or buddies or whatever is your business, but your coworkers aren't obligated to just be cool with you hitting them. I can't decide whether this thread is being trolled or some people are just that bent on posturing a cool tough guy persona at all times, but this "in my day we just killed each other and made up the next day" nonsense is either blatantly untrue or you've had a lot of disorderly conduct convictions.
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