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Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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My favourite flaw in this legislation is that by refusing to store destination hostnames, there's a very real chance that people are going to be falsely accused of being involved in terrorist/child porn websites based on their access of shared hosts.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:29

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Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

It isn't like ISIS recruit people through social media or anything anyway right.... right?

# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:37

Fruity Gordo: Aug 5, 2013; Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

i just unfollowed @ISILcats to be sure

# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:50

Fruity Gordo: Aug 5, 2013; Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

So, um, this happened.

http://imgur.com/HJmHWXB

See what ad you get when you click the link in this tweet! https://twitter.com/ISILCats/status/495160716152680448
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:57

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Smegmatron posted:

Or you can just buy a prepaid Visa card anywhere and use it to sign up for the AWS free tier. Then you can spend the money on the card on whatever you like.

Also carrying a smart phone comes with the burden of carrying a camera, microphone, data repository and GPS unit with you at all times. If you aren't ok with the idea of nation states surreptitiously accessing all of that, don't carry one because they're going to whether it's legal or not.

This goes double if you have an android phone because android lol.

Apples proprietary platform, iOS, will keep my privacy safe from the government!

e is this a real thing? I know some people get weird about apple and android. Are you being weird about apple and android, Smegmatron?

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Mar 26, 2015

# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:57

Fruity Gordo: Aug 5, 2013; Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

I was legit looking for a nice mezuzah case for a housewarming the other day but this is the second ad after a refresh and it is even funnier than the first

# ? Mar 26, 2015 07:02

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

katlington posted:

Apples proprietary platform, iOS, will keep my privacy safe from the government!

e is this a real thing? I know some people get weird about apple and android. Are you being weird about apple and android, Smegmatron?

Android is hilariously insecure by comparison.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 07:04

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Laserface posted:

Android is hilariously insecure by comparison.

This just in: neither mobile OS is very secure, but the majority of this is because of the user ignoring security notices. In terms of security, they are approximately equal(ly bad).

Android's nicer though, because at least there's the option to disable a lot of the security for when you need to do weird poo poo for research. There's a reason there's not a lot of research done on iOS.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 07:26

Smegmatron: Apr 23, 2003; I hate to advocate emptyquoting or shitposting to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

katlington posted:

Apples proprietary platform, iOS, will keep my privacy safe from the government!

e is this a real thing? I know some people get weird about apple and android. Are you being weird about apple and android, Smegmatron?

It's much easier to get remote access tools onto an android phone because Google don't check the software that gets put on their store. At all. They've only just started in the last few months. Malicious software on the play store is well documented.

IOS isn't immune but the fact that the NSA is targeting iOS developer tools rather than the store itself should be evidence enough that Apple actually do review the apps people try to list in their store and tell people peddling shitware to gently caress off often enough that the degree of difficulty is enough to persuade anyone with the resources to approach it from another angle.

I said any smartphone though. It's the price you pay for choosing to have one. That said, android lol

quote:

A particularly devious new Android malware can make calls or take photos even if you shut the device down, according to security research firm AVG.

...

In this state, the malware can use the phone to send your messages to a third party, record a call or take a photo, essentially turning your phone into a device that spies on you.

The company spokesperson told us some 10,000 devices were infected so far, mostly in China where the malware was first introduced and offered through the local, official app stores.

Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Mar 26, 2015

# ? Mar 26, 2015 07:29

Ragingsheep: Nov 7, 2009

Smegmatron posted:

That said, android lol

There's no such thing as local android app stores in China because Google doesn't operate there.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 07:50

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

Wow, I haven't heard "Macs don't get viruses" for like, ten years.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 07:57

euler: Oct 14, 2008

Smegmatron posted:

Also carrying a smart phone comes with the burden of carrying a camera, microphone, data repository and GPS unit with you at all times. If you aren't ok with the idea of nation states surreptitiously accessing all of that, don't carry one because they're going to whether it's legal or not.

Pretty much every dumbphone has all those things, except GPS which, as mentioned, isn't needed to pinpoint your exact location to within 3 metres.

It's the apps that'll get ya.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:12

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

Smegmatron posted:

Also carrying a smart phone comes with the burden of carrying a camera, microphone, data repository and GPS unit with you at all times. If you aren't ok with the idea of nation states surreptitiously accessing all of that, too bad.

FTFY

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:20

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Yeah, if you honestly think that your iPhone is secure (or even more secure than android), you're the kind of person these malware authors are targeting.

E; also, as ragingsheep said, there are no local official Chinese appstores except for the manufacturer ones, and they're not affiliated with Google

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:25

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Fruity, get adblock.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:37

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Zenithe posted:

Fruity, get adblock.

Yeah, what the hell.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:42

Avshalom: Feb 14, 2012; by Lowtax

I don't use adblock because it steals money from webcomic artists and other online content creators, which for most of them is the only income they'll ever make off their hours upon hours of hard work.

You heartless fucks.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:51

Smegmatron: Apr 23, 2003; I hate to advocate emptyquoting or shitposting to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

Murodese posted:

Yeah, if you honestly think that your iPhone is secure

I didn't say this.

quote:

(or even more secure than android)

android lol

Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Mar 26, 2015

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:51

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Avshalom posted:

I don't use adblock because it steals money from webcomic artists and other online content creators, which for most of them is the only income they'll ever make off their hours upon hours of hard work.

You heartless fucks.

You can disable adblocker on those sites you know

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:52

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euler posted:

My tip for free/cheap public transport is if you get caught by an inspector, hop off the train and walk away. They can't detain you.

hahaha wrong

in victoria they can body slam you into the ground without penalty

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:52

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

The new metadata laws are Malware.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:53

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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This seems like an argument you should be having in YOSPOS, Smeg. I hear there's plenty of OS-warriors there

e; also pretty high tolerance for both unlabelled graphs, and arguments that "numbers of malwares" is somehow an indicator of how secure a platform is

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:55

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Avshalom posted:

I don't use adblock because it steals money from webcomic artists and other online content creators, which for most of them is the only income they'll ever make off their hours upon hours of hard work.

You heartless fucks.

Click button

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You're welcome.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 08:56

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Murodese posted:

This seems like an argument you should be having in YOSPOS, Smeg. I hear there's plenty of OS-warriors there

e; also pretty high tolerance for both unlabelled graphs, and arguments that "numbers of malwares" is somehow an indicator of how secure a platform is

Peenwars about operating systems are generally more about how secure the fighters are.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:07

euler: Oct 14, 2008

Milky Moor posted:

hahaha wrong

in victoria they can body slam you into the ground without penalty

haha I was specifically talking about Queensland, where I was also mostly wrong on this point. As I mentioned, it worked for me once years ago.

Is there a reason that graph doesn't have iOS listed at all? Do you really think that is accurate and that iOS is basically 100% secure? Because if so, wow.

Does that graph include state sponsored malware?

euler fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Mar 26, 2015

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:10

Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

Murodese posted:

This seems like an argument you should be having in YOSPOS, Smeg. I hear there's plenty of OS-warriors there

Murodese posted:

Android's nicer though

Murodese posted:

Yeah, if you honestly think that your iPhone is secure (or even more secure than android),

Murodese posted:

E; also, as ragingsheep said, there are no local official Chinese appstores except for the manufacturer ones, and they're not affiliated with Google

Murodese posted:

e; also pretty high tolerance for both unlabelled graphs, and arguments that "numbers of malwares" is somehow an indicator of how secure a platform is

Murodese why are you the way you are

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:23

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

A lot of that all went over my head. Just tell me if this is right, you're saying if i buy an iphone the government wont be able to spy on me?

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:24

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Tasmanian man to walk from Launceston to Hobart to 'prove' the need for footpaths on every road

quote:

A Tasmanian man will walk from Launceston to Hobart to raise awareness of his campaign to have a footpath installed along every road in the state.

The group Tasmanians for Proper Footpaths has been lobbying state and local governments pressing its belief that people should be able to walk anywhere they can drive.

The group's spokesman who goes by the name Informal told 936 ABC Hobart this year's walk was a scouting exercise.

"I'm hoping to invite people nationally and internationally [next year] to join what is similar to a motoring rally, in that it is not a race, it's a matter of enjoying [the experience]," he said.

"There should be footpaths so that people can walk between cities and towns whenever they want to."

On its website Tasmanians for Proper Footpaths said the paths should not be exclusively for pedestrians.

We hold as a general principle that whithersoever a person may lawfully travel by motor vehicle, a person should also be able to travel by foot or wheelchair or other small, personal conveyance just as readily.
We are trying to prove that it should be safer by having proper footpaths alongside the highway.
President of Tasmanians for Proper Footpaths, Informal
The group has found some high profile support from federal MP Andrew Wilkie who wrote to Premier Will Hodgman on their behalf.

"This does not need to be a physical trail but could simply be a series of markers along the highway with some marked detours through farmland or scenic points of interest," he wrote.

The Great Heritage Highway Walk

PHOTO: Informal will follow major highways as he makes his way from Launceston to Hobart. (Supplied: Tasmanians for Proper Footpaths)

Mr Wilkie also told the Premier the trail could be a "lucrative addition" to Tasmania's tourism sector.

In his reply Mr Hodgman conceded that current walking paths do not enable a person to walk the entire distance from Hobart to Launceston but said "a trail already exist for most of the distance".

Mr Hodgman went on to point out that a 480 kilometre trail already existed from Devonport to Dover via Sheffield, Miena, Ouse, New Norfolk and Geevston which is accessible for bike riding and walking.

Informal said his vision was that people should have similar access to all of the state's roads.

"We are trying to prove that it should be safer by having proper footpaths alongside the highway or when appropriate, not too far away," he said.

"Not only that but the paths be suitable for people on wheelchairs, on segways, on bicycles as well as people walking."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/tasmanian-man-to-walk-from-launceston-to-hobart/6349048

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:24

Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

euler posted:

Is there a reason that graph doesn't have iOS listed at all? Do you really think that is accurate

Try googling "malware by platform" and have a look at some other sources. They will all tell you the same thing.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:25

Ragingsheep: Nov 7, 2009

katlington posted:

A lot of that all went over my head. Just tell me if this is right, you're saying if i buy an iphone the government wont be able to spy on me?

Death is the only way to stop the government spying on you.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:25

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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Jonah Galtberg posted:

Murodese why are you the way you are

Hey maybe you should include the parts where I said that they're both effectively poo poo and insecure or would that break up your narrative

e; hey on the other hand Jonah, I'm really unsurprised to hear that you're a YOSPOS poster

Murodese fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Mar 26, 2015

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:26

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katlington posted:

A lot of that all went over my head. Just tell me if this is right, you're saying if i buy an iphone the government wont be able to spy on me?

If you buy Android phones, they're broken and you are being spied on
If you buy Apple phones, they're broken and you are being spied on
If you buy Blackberry phones, they're broken and you are being spied on

If you buy a literal brick it will be harder to track you, please pay cash to avoid card tracking.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:27

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Birb Katter posted:

If you buy Android phones, they're broken and you are being spied on
If you buy Apple phones, they're broken and you are being spied on
If you buy Blackberry phones, they're broken and you are being spied on

If you buy a literal brick it will be harder to track you, please pay cash to avoid card tracking.

I'd give an opinion about the usefulness of my Nokia 3310 but I don't want to send you over the edge again.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:35

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
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katlington posted:

A lot of that all went over my head. Just tell me if this is right, you're saying if i buy an iphone the government wont be able to spy on me?

Your government can spy on you regardless of which mobile operating system you can use because most of the methods they're using to spy on you are at carrier-level, not device-level

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:37

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Tasmanian man to walk from Launceston to Hobart to 'prove' the need for footpaths on every road

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/tasmanian-man-to-walk-from-launceston-to-hobart/6349048

The important things

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:41

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Tasmanian man to walk from Launceston to Hobart to 'prove' the need for footpaths on every road

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/tasmanian-man-to-walk-from-launceston-to-hobart/6349048

And let's have roads where anyone can walk.

I want to be able to drive anywhere a person could walk.

I want everywhere to look like "Cars".

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:47

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Tasmanian man to walk from Launceston to Hobart to 'prove' the need for footpaths on every road

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/tasmanian-man-to-walk-from-launceston-to-hobart/6349048

This man is my spirit animal

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:48

Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

Murodese posted:

Hey maybe you should include the parts where I said that they're both effectively poo poo and insecure or would that break up your narrative

e; hey on the other hand Jonah, I'm really unsurprised to hear that you're a YOSPOS poster

I was more getting at the fact that you'd suddenly decided, after making a bunch of posts about iOS (you're not fooling anyone with the idea that you are a perfectly balanced arbiter), that Smegmatron making a post about phones was not on and he should get out of this august board

And then edited your post with a few more little snipes about iOS

# ? Mar 26, 2015 09:54

Graic Gabtar: Dec 19, 2014; squat my posts

Let's be honest about Tasmania dude though. He's not exactly setting himself much of a challenge is he?

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# ? May 24, 2024 09:19

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
We're looking for fine Men & Women to help Protect the Australian Way of Life.

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Jonah Galtberg posted:

I was more getting at the fact that you'd suddenly decided, after making a bunch of posts about iOS (you're not fooling anyone with the idea that you are a perfectly balanced arbiter), that Smegmatron making a post about phones was not on and he should get out of this august board

And then edited your post with a few more little snipes about iOS

Actually, it was more suggesting that we were getting ridiculously off topic, which we were, and now we're even more off topic.

I edited the post to add the rest because it was a comment I missed and I didn't want to double post to respond to it.

I'm not perfectly balanced and I don't pretend to be - as I said, I mostly use android for research because I can at least disable the security for when we want to use smartphones for research purposes, which is why we don't use a lot of iPhones. However, both platforms have a pretty even share of security flaws and both are vulnerable to the topic at hand, which was metadata retention.

I know you love jumping down my throat constantly, but can you at least do it in pm so it doesn't poo poo up an already lovely thread?

Your friend and lover,

.:Murodese:.

# ? Mar 26, 2015 10:06

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