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ehnus posted:"The last time I took a poo poo at Mach 0.8, my co-pilot wouldn't let me back in the cockpit." 
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SybilVimes posted:Given that everyone they're interviewing says he was happy and loved his job, it's entirely possible it wasn't 'suicide' per se but some kind of fugue state blackout. Well he had to lock the door that way on purpose from what I've read. Taking that into account I can't see how it would be a black out or something.
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Mar 26, 2015 23:35
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Plinkey posted:Well he had to lock the door that way on purpose from what I've read. Taking that into account I can't see how it would be a black out or something. Fugue state blackouts are kinda weird, my boyfriend has them and occasionally will 'come to' 30-40 miles away from where he was. Agatha Christie once had one and went missing for 2 weeks. Basically, you might appear concious to people around you, and you do stuff that makes sense to you at the time, but it may be completely nonsensical to everyone else and yourself-in-retrospect
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Mar 26, 2015 23:38
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SybilVimes posted:Given that everyone they're interviewing says he was happy and loved his job, it's entirely possible it wasn't 'suicide' per se but some kind of fugue state blackout. You would still have to deliberately deadbolt the door and make the aircraft descend. Generation Internet posted:I guess it says something positive about the safety of commercial aviation that most of the high-profile accidents over the last year or so have been due to homicidal individuals either on the ground or in the cockpit. What a tragedy, those poor people. My girlfriend was on the verge of angry tears trying to comprehend how someone could do that to so many other people when I told her it was likely a pilot suicide cfit I know the Internet is no place to discuss your emotions, but I just feel awful today. Just awful. This is my industry, my career, and my bread and butter, and it enabled a murderer to kill 150 people. Sure it's happened before, but almost exclusively from outside. The people on the inside take so much pride and put so much effort in to making sure air travel is safe, this feels like betrayal from the very heart. And not only murder, but to deliberately cause such suffering in the victims. Blow yourself in a crowded market and at least the victims don't see it coming. It's just terrible. ehnus posted:"The last time I took a poo poo at Mach 0.8, my co-pilot wouldn't let me back in the cockpit." But at least, at the very least, I can still laugh  E- lol - I think I'll leave that as is... Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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Mar 26, 2015 23:40
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SybilVimes posted:Given that everyone they're interviewing says he was happy and loved his job... This doesn't mean anything and is unfortunately is extremely common with people who suffer depression and/or commit suicide.
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Mar 26, 2015 23:43
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Previa_fun posted:This doesn't mean anything and is unfortunately is extremely common with people who suffer depression and/or commit suicide. Also probably what I would tell a reporter if they told someone I knew had augured a fully-loaded airliner into a mountain murdering over 100 people. You know as a CYA.
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Mar 26, 2015 23:45
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ehnus posted:"The last time I took a poo poo at Mach 0.8, my co-pilot wouldn't let me back in the cockpit." 
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Mar 26, 2015 23:52
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Seriously, just kill yourself somewhere quiet and away from other people. A special place in hell for that guy.
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Mar 27, 2015 00:12
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Again, as to the 'why,' if it really is true that he was about to lose his job as a first officer, and by extension, likely never fly commercially again, I see this as a psychotic break coupled with him wanting to make a very public and lasting statement. This guy is another Anders Breivik who probably figured life couldn't continue unless he was flying in a station of 'prestige.' People won't remember this guy's name in a few month's time, but they'll remember what he did. Just think, it could have been far worse - the guy had principal control of the airplane and evidently had the ability to keep the captain and crew out as long as he was willing to continue overriding the door code. He could've plowed the plane into a populated area, or forced the French, Germans, Italians, or Swiss to shoot it down to *prevent* him from doing so. Killing 150 people for a statement is one thing, but forcing someone *else* to end 150 lives is far worse. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Mar 27, 2015 00:15
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ehnus posted:"The last time I took a poo poo at Mach 0.8, my co-pilot wouldn't let me back in the cockpit." And we missed the opportunity to have the thread title be "I took a poo poo at Mach 0.8 so bad they turned the plane around."
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Mar 27, 2015 00:23
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Christ, what an arsehole. How can you go about prevention for this? Are there any good tests for psychological state? Regulating this sort of error factor has to be hard, especially as so many people can just hide their mental problems for the time they're at work. There would certainly have been psych interviews at the outset of his employment - could re-doing them every 6 months be enough?
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Mar 27, 2015 00:25
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Just thinking about the passengers on that plane moments before impact gives me a horrible sinking feeling from head to toe.
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Mar 27, 2015 00:29
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eggyolk posted:Just thinking about the passengers on that plane moments before impact gives me a horrible sinking feeling from head to toe. They probably felt a sinking feeling too.
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Mar 27, 2015 00:30
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This is just like 9/11 because it was an inside job.
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Mar 27, 2015 00:31
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....in other news sweet rear end Tu-144 doc
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Mar 27, 2015 00:35
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Sanguine posted:Christ, what an arsehole. Almost every incident where something like this has happened, the person who crashed (or intended to crash) the plane never 'showed their hand.' They're walking time bombs, and they don't tick. Just an aside, though - hopefully if there's one good thing that will come of this, it'll be airlines being forced to stop running their pilots ragged, forcing them to get too little sleep in substandard hotels so they can meet unrealistic schedules and keep up their quotas. One in a million pilots might consider doing this, but the harder you push someone, the more likely it is they're going to break - maybe not go homicidal, but you don't want someone deciding to lock up and become a danger to himself and others at FL380. And forcing pilots to go through a 'loose screw check' every six months is just another inconvenience and places additional stress on them. If you've been having a lovely few months, you're going to tell the corporate (or FAA) shrink everything's fine, because you know if you tell him that you think your wife's cheating on you, or your kid has leukemia, he's going to report that (since doctor/patient privilege likely won't apply), and you're going to be suspended, likely with a pay cut, at the *worst possible time*. It'd be far more effective to ensure pilots have adequate vacation and 'off' time so they can - for lack of a better word - 'decompress' every so often, but with that, the blame kind of lays with the consumer who *demands* affordable air travel. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Mar 27, 2015 00:37
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:They probably felt a sinking feeling too. Well that stopped suddenly.
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Mar 27, 2015 00:41
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Canada has announced a 2 person in the cockpit at all times rule. http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/germanwings-flight-4u9525-canadian-airlines-told-to-have-2-people-in-the-cockpit-1.3010494
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VikingSkull posted:....in other news Yeah, this whole story has been depressing as gently caress. So cool docs, a good thing. A link off of that youtube video will amuse the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhOqO5aa984 HOPE 
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Mar 27, 2015 01:13
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Flikken posted:Well that stopped suddenly. That gave me a good chuckle.
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Mar 27, 2015 01:15
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Almost every incident where something like this has happened, the person who crashed (or intended to crash) the plane never 'showed their hand.' They're walking time bombs, and they don't tick. Good reply, I'd hope that's the direction things would go. However, I don't have a lot of hope for better working conditions being made law, or enforced if they were. Maybe it's a risk that can't be designed out of the sector, too. Here's hoping more harm isn't caused in a poorly thought out rush to put a 'fix' on the issue.
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Mar 27, 2015 03:09
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Nebakenezzer posted:A link off of that youtube video will amuse the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhOqO5aa984 Also, wow. They tried to kickstart it. Someone even chipped in $500
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hobbesmaster posted:If an airline employee is dedicated to a murder-suicide theres not too many options to prevent it. Anyone can become an amazingly effective weapon if they don't care about their own survival when they're done.
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Mar 27, 2015 03:41
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Midjack posted:Anyone can become an amazingly effective weapon if they don't care about their own survival when they're done. Passengers are having trouble with that since 9/11 at least.
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Mar 27, 2015 03:59
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CNN Headline: PROGRAMMED TO KILL FoxNews Headline: AUTOPILOT SET TO KILL poo poo, apparently the right and left wing CAN agree on something: Sensationalist Headlines!
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Mar 27, 2015 06:23
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Well I guess it's safe to say that the idea of single-pilot airliners is mercifully dead now.
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Mar 27, 2015 06:46
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holocaust bloopers posted:OCD pilot would never not fly the airspeed right down to the knot. The best TPS graduate
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Mar 27, 2015 07:26
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Just gonna quote this for posterity.bobfather posted:It's an Airbus. Any guesses as to whether the automated systems helped the crash along, as they have in so many other Airbus flights?
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Mar 27, 2015 11:52
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FrozenVent posted:Just gonna quote this for posterity. Well... didn't it, technically? Autopilot is automated, by definition.
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Mar 27, 2015 11:58
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No joke though I would love to work for the NTSB.
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Mar 27, 2015 12:40
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Looks like the pilot may have done more than just knock on the door.quote:The cockpit flight recorder showed that the pilot repeatedly knocked and tried to get back in as the plane went into its fatal descent, French prosecutors said. http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0327/690092-germanwings-plane-crash/ edit: ignore this, I am an idiot. A Handed Missus fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Mar 27, 2015 12:58
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bobfather posted:No joke though I would love to work for the NTSB. Likewise but alas  
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Mar 27, 2015 13:10
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Mar 27, 2015 13:11
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hobbesmaster posted:An axe? On an airplane? Really? It's a German plane. I'm sure there's climbing gear and skis somewhere, too.
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Mar 27, 2015 13:12
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A Handed Missus posted:Looks like the pilot may have done more than just knock on the door. Never trust anything the Bild says, they're no better than the Sun. How would they even know he used an axe?
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Mar 27, 2015 13:28
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Honj Steak posted:Never trust anything the Bild says, they're no better than the Sun. How would they even know he used an axe? You see, the plane is in many small pieces, he chopped it up as the plane descended,
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Mar 27, 2015 13:33
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bobfather posted:No joke though I would love to work for the NTSB. If you can compartmentalize, and turn off the emotions and focus on the data required to put everything together, it can be a rather fun and exciting career, so I was told back in college. It's still fun to talk about, but outside of a room full of other av-nerds, you get weird stares when you start talking about "your favorite crash." Probably like how law students get weird looks when they start talking about their favorite murders, academically.
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Mar 27, 2015 15:13
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Trannies and gentlegoons, the War on Depression has now begun. Depression's act of savage aggression against 3 Americans must not go unanswered. The invasion of Belize is therefore scheduled for 2017. No, we don't know what Belize has to do with depression either, but we have two years to think of something.
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Mar 27, 2015 15:19
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Agreeing to 6 figures of debt to work for regional FO wages should be considered mental illness.
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Apparently he should have been grounded that day. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0MN11N20150327?irpc=932 quote:DUESSELDORF, Germany (Reuters) - German authorities found torn-up sick notes showing that the pilot who crashed a plane into the French Alps was suffering from an illness that should have grounded him on the day of the tragedy, which he apparently hid from the airline.
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