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Cojawfee posted:I thought it was about Everest, this was on Annapurna. A hell of a lot. Apparently it's fairly common to name sherpa children after the day of the week they were born on, resulting in a lot of peeps with the same name.
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Mar 27, 2015 06:50
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DumbparameciuM posted:Sherpas have to get taken off the mountain each year with altitude sickness. poo poo, in S1E1 of the Everest reality TV show with Russel Brice/IMG, one of the Sherpas dies due to HAPE or HACE or something. Sure they're adapted better for life at that altitude but they're humans, not mountain climbing terminators. Yeah, one died of HAPE last season too, before the avalanche.
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Mar 27, 2015 08:00
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Paramemetic posted:Almost literally impossible. Ethnic Tibetans, including ethnic Sherpas, are almost entirely immune to effects of altitude. That is not true. They handle it better, but the number of Sherpa HAPE & HACE deaths over the years suggests they are not "entirely immune" to the effects of high altitude.
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Mar 27, 2015 14:52
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I seem to remember (possibly from two different shows) where they take a guy to simulated cruising altitude, depressurize, and have him take off his oxygen until he can't do simple tasks. I think that was one about executions. Then another show, similar deal with a sherpa, takes off his oxygen at altitude, gives no fucks. Pretty cool to see it in action like that.
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Mar 27, 2015 15:37
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ZombieLenin posted:That is not true. They handle it better, but the number of Sherpa HAPE & HACE deaths over the years suggests they are not "entirely immune" to the effects of high altitude. Doesn't Krakauer mention in "Into Thin Air" that Sherpas essentially refuse to believe they can succumb to HAPE/HACE and will often resist medical treatment when they are clearly suffering from it?
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Mar 27, 2015 15:43
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So what is that mountain tom cruise gearless climbed in mi2? Also how much further did the canasian lady have to go until she would get to camp?
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Mar 27, 2015 15:44
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Watching the Doctors in the death zone docos. Very glad I bumped into this thread.
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Mar 27, 2015 16:48
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/mountain-climber-heading-to-mount-everest-to-control-his-smart-home/ Everest will be his new home, forever.
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Mar 27, 2015 17:02
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ZombieLenin posted:That is not true. They handle it better, but the number of Sherpa HAPE & HACE deaths over the years suggests they are not "entirely immune" to the effects of high altitude. Okay this is true, I did say "almost" for a reason, but yes they can of course have edema as well. It is much less frequent, however, and my understanding is it usually involves other things like alcohol. I stand corrected though.
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Mar 27, 2015 17:25
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Nostratic posted:I seem to remember (possibly from two different shows) where they take a guy to simulated cruising altitude, depressurize, and have him take off his oxygen until he can't do simple tasks. I think that was one about executions. Then another show, similar deal with a sherpa, takes off his oxygen at altitude, gives no fucks. Pretty cool to see it in action like that. "The Science of Killing" is the first one. The oxygen part is near the end.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:22
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Paramemetic posted:Okay this is true, I did say "almost" for a reason, but yes they can of course have edema as well. It is much less frequent, however, and my understanding is it usually involves other things like alcohol. Alcohol increases odds of brain swelling, but I seem to remember that it counter-intuitively reduces swelling if administered after the trauma. Like this was some frontier medicine poo poo. Or it could be just a silly excuse that alcoholic camp doctors used to explain why they need those jugs of booze hauled in.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:43
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First deaths of the season on Annapurna, she let 13 people summit (!) but two Sherpas died on the way back down. Pretty sad stuff  .But considering the ratio of success to death and the mountain in question, I'd say it's a comparatively good year. As hosed up as that sounds, of course.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:49
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A Finn and a Sherpa, not two Sherpas. But. . . quote:Pemba was from Makalu 5, Sankhuwasava, Nepal date of birth 1908-02-08. He was known as “Technical Pemba”. While I'm pretty certain this is going to be an error resultant from the fact that birth certificates are kind of a new thing, and "birthdays" are a foreign concept since mainly they count from the year you're born, with little regard for exactly what day, I like the idea that Pemba Sherpa was 107 years old.
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Mar 27, 2015 22:06
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theflyingexecutive posted:don't tell me, i want to see if i can guess this guy's race theflyingexecutive posted:also good loving luck to anyone who guessed 0 this year Chard posted:I need to know exactly when he plans to summit, so I can light his house on fire Congratulations. My wife, who patiently puts up with my Everest ramblings laughed really hard at these. raditts posted:Everest will be his new home, forever. In all fairness, the guy did Cho Oyu, which is just under 27,000 ft.... Wikipedia posted:Cho Oyu is considered the easiest 8,000 metre peak to climb.
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Mar 27, 2015 22:54
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Oh boy. Maybe he is hooking his body up with animatronics that can be activated with smart home technology. That way we can make his frozen corpse dance on Everest from anywhere in the world.
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Mar 28, 2015 19:39
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ZombieLenin posted:Maybe he is hooking his body up with animatronics that can be activated with smart home technology. dress his corpse up like an old west prospector and also put in a recording that says "I'D TURN BACK IF'N I WUZ YOU"
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Mar 28, 2015 19:43
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I'm currently watching "The Summit " on Netflix.
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Mar 29, 2015 01:37
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Hunterhr posted:I'm currently watching "The Summit " on Netflix. That's such an uplifting documentary.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:59
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Currently watching the Bill Paxton documentary Vertical Limit. I agree with the Sherpas, wealthy white people and majestic peaks don't mix.
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Mar 29, 2015 22:12
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Hunterhr posted:I'm currently watching "The Summit " on Netflix. Just watched this. gently caress climbing mountains.
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Mar 30, 2015 12:15
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The Summit had some of the best examples of proper mountaineering though. "Oh man, we spent a lot of time and money getting here, but it doesn't look like things are going well, we need to turn around." And they
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Mar 30, 2015 13:31
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Wasabi the J posted:The Summit had some of the best examples of proper mountaineering though. Yeah, that was honestly really impressive. But maybe just because I've read so many "BUT I'M ALMOST THERE  *dies*" stories.Was that the same one where they watched that skier fall down that slope forever and die while they were way too far away to do anything?
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Mar 30, 2015 15:06
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you were warned posted:Yeah, that was honestly really impressive. But maybe just because I've read so many "BUT I'M ALMOST THERE Both The Summit and K2: Siren have climbers turning back and living, but Siren was the one where the skiiers died.
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Mar 30, 2015 15:52
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Wasabi the J posted:The Summit had some of the best examples of proper mountaineering though. Yes, that was really cool to watch. Also the bits (both footage of when they were on the mountain and in the interviews) where Wilco rants about safety and how irresponsible some of the teams seemed to be, even though he comes off as a bit of a dick. "What do you mean, you haven't brought any rope?! How are you going to climb K2 without rope?!" The bit where the ice falling kills Rolf Bae right next to his wife is loving horrifying though.
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Mar 30, 2015 16:05
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mountains are evil but also awesome. ive probably told this story before but: i mountain-ski every year and literally almost skiid off a cliff one year in Utah with my dad after a heavy snowfall. we were in a backwoods trail and the snow was so bright, it looked like the hill kept going after the edge, when we were actually looking at snow beyond the cliff below. the edge was just not visible. fortunately was able to stop short, i shouted to my pops who slid down the side of the cliff (it was a slope), but at the time i thought he was gone he wound up stomping a "staircase" out of the snow to climb back up to me, and then we sat around until ski patrol came and harnessed us out lol. every time i tried to move, i slid closer to the edge, so we just had to hang tight. ski patrol was awesome and got us out of there super fast though. they found a route down the slope and guided us down with the harnesses on so we wouldn't make a wrong turn and die or hit a tree like idiots we still ski, but we no longer go off-trail for more than a few turns. last year we pony'd up and went to Switzerland, which was amazingly beautiful. skiid across the border into italy for a slice of pizza at one point. A Spider Covets fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 16:25
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GunnarHelmudsson posted:Yes, that was really cool to watch. Also the bits (both footage of when they were on the mountain and in the interviews) where Wilco rants about safety and how irresponsible some of the teams seemed to be, even though he comes off as a bit of a dick. "What do you mean, you haven't brought any rope?! How are you going to climb K2 without rope?!" Wilco knowledge stomping the lovely teams and climbers was wonderful though; pretty certain the people getting bitched out were people who climbed Everest but as part of a McExpedition, not proper climbers, so they didn't think they'd have to bring their own poo poo. But yeah, the mountain is a cruel mistress. Even in the best conditions, she can and will gently caress you over; it's not malice, just raw nature. Lessons learned, they relied on another team and when they failed them on the way up, they figured that they could overcome that failure, and they came down too late in the night. Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 16:29
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Wasabi the J posted:Wilco knowledge stomping the lovely teams and climbers was wonderful though; pretty certain the people getting bitched out were people who climbed Everest but as part of a McExpedition, not proper climbers, so they didn't think they'd have to bring their own poo poo. I subsequently read that previous ascensions of K2 did not rely on fixed ropes in the bottleneck. Essentially that author was saying everyone who climbed that day was an idiot for bothering with looking for/loving with the rope so that they'd have enough rope for the bottleneck. If they'd just climbed like "everyone else" nobody would have been stuck on the mountain late enough for most of the poo poo that happened to actually have happened. Personally, I think everyone who ever tries to climb the mountain is, by definition, an idiot. I will still zealously read about them killing themselves though.
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Mar 30, 2015 20:00
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I just watched The Summit. It was staggering thinking of all the times you have to watch someone plummet to their death around you and just shrug it off and keep going. It was interesting listening to them talk about trying to set up fixed lines and that they started fixing ropes 10 meters outside camp. Then ran out of rope by the time they got to the part where they might have needed it. I might check out K2 Spirit of whatever later.
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Mar 30, 2015 20:18
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Haha, there's one dude in The Summit who bitches about the media because "Oh, they write a small little story if you make it to the summit and back, but then if a bunch of people die, all of a sudden it's worldwide news. It was such a successful expedition until a dozen people died, but did anyone report on that?"
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Mar 30, 2015 21:09
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Also, when you guys were talking about having to climb with a big serac hanging overhead, I didn't realize it was like a quarter of the mountain poised to fall off at any moment.
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Mar 30, 2015 21:50
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Is The Summit the one where you can hear the Serbian guy screaming as he falls? I've seen so many documentaries they're starting to run together in my mind. Mostly I recall being amazed that some of them stayed at the top for over an hour when they were summiting late in the first place.
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Mar 31, 2015 02:54
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Yes, he tries to go around that one lady and then just falls to his death. Another one is that pakistani guy who is helping to lower the serbian corpse down. He slips and falls and the guy shouts at him to release the rope. Then he just does and flies off the mountain.
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Mar 31, 2015 02:57
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For the book list, how about No Picnic on Mount Kenya? It's about an expedition to climb Mount Kenya, as you may have surmised. The interesting part is that the expedition began by breaking out of a WWII POW camp located some miles from the mountain. Seriously, this happened and people act like we're supposed to be impressed that they were guided up a mountain using tens of thousands of dollars of semi-bespoke gear?
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Mar 31, 2015 03:20
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Ansiktsburk posted:Is The Summit the one where you can hear the Serbian guy screaming as he falls? I've seen so many documentaries they're starting to run together in my mind. Mostly I recall being amazed that some of them stayed at the top for over an hour when they were summiting late in the first place. It's definitely a Serbian guy falling, but it's all re-enactments so not as traumatizing as if someone had it on video. One of the porters is like "Yeah, we talked about maybe going to help him for 3 or 4 minutes and then we kept on going." Edit: Finally got a chance to finish it. Spectacular film. Pemba Gyalja Sherpa spending 90 hours above 8,000 meters and managing to basically revive someone was a hell of a feat. I don't know that launching a rescue effort for the Koreans was the right move, but it was pretty funny when the American team was like "gently caress it, we don't even want to stay in this camp anymore" and booked it. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Mar 31, 2015 |
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Mar 31, 2015 08:05
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PostNouveau posted:It's definitely a Serbian guy falling, but it's all re-enactments so not as traumatizing as if someone had it on video. K2: Siren gave me a better sense of scale for the K2, so I understood re-watching The Summit that just to get from where the Americans were (Advanced Base Camp, approx. 5.4km elevation) and where a lot of the bodies were (8.2km elevation) would be a MASSIVE undertaking that I don't think anyone would fault you for not joining in on. You'd basically have to get up the shoulder, up most of the hazards, to the unstable Bottleneck, thereby doing 1/3 the mountain, just to try and rescue some probably dead dudes. The "easy" terrain on K2 is like, 45-55 degree slopes, which if you haven't seen, go to a freeway underpass and try to walk up the steepest inclines; don't forget to bring 60 lbs of poo poo in a bag with you! A lot of The Summit recreated the "on the mountain" shots, which are good for immersion, but bad for perspective. This is what the serac above the Bottleneck looks like with some horizon in the shot:  I don't blame the guys that didn't go up one bit, and I am ASTONISHED by the dudes that did and actually rescued people.
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Mar 31, 2015 09:57
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Yea that photo alone does a better job of selling the incredible "gently caress humans, you don't belong here" aspect of the serac that The Summit did.
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Mar 31, 2015 10:07
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Wasabi the J posted:K2: Siren gave me a better sense of scale for the K2, so I understood re-watching The Summit that just to get from where the Americans were (Advanced Base Camp, approx. 5.4km elevation) and where a lot of the bodies were (8.2km elevation) would be a MASSIVE undertaking that I don't think anyone would fault you for not joining in on. You'd basically have to get up the shoulder, up most of the hazards, to the unstable Bottleneck, thereby doing 1/3 the mountain, just to try and rescue some probably dead dudes. The "easy" terrain on K2 is like, 45-55 degree slopes, which if you haven't seen, go to a freeway underpass and try to walk up the steepest inclines; don't forget to bring 60 lbs of poo poo in a bag with you! This photo is amazing because you go from thinking "holy poo poo the serac is terrifying", to realizing that the slope of the mountain itself is almost vertical, to seeing the mountains in the distance and realizing how far there is to drop. Why the gently caress would anyone climb that?
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a pipe smoking dog posted:This photo is amazing because you go from thinking "holy poo poo the serac is terrifying", to realizing that the slope of the mountain itself is almost vertical, to seeing the mountains in the distance and realizing how far there is to drop. I can kinda understand the allure, and a lot of the climbers do actually approach it with the right respect and reverence -- it is the most extreme place you can go, and there is a well-defined goal of success (did you stand on top of the mountain? Did you live?). Put those factors together and you can see how a person who is seeking challenges can pick that over running marathons. TL;DR chauvinist edition -- It's seeing the hottest woman in the place, and deciding that you're gonna convince her to bed you; you either got your ducks in a row, and know your game well enough to succeed, or she demolishes you and you're completely forgotten about.
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