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Ratpick
Oct 9, 2012

And no one ate dinner that night.

Covok posted:

Depends on how you view things. It's arguable that the concept has changed so much that different countries can take credit for the particular version they have. Of course, an entire country taking credit for an idea is a little silly, I suppose.

You're absolutely right! However, old Finnish Santa is obviously the best Santa and Santa Claus obviously lives in Lapland and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know poo poo. I don't see no Santa Park on the North Pole. :colbert:

(Finns are extremely touchy about Santa Claus being Finnish.)

Also, since we're talking cool North European Christmas critters, the Icelandic Christmas Cat is definitely my favorite.



quote:

Finally, my favorite Icelandic christmas creature has to be the Christmas Cat. Like the others, the cat eats children. But only children who don’t get new clothes for christmas, weirdly enough. This makes him the icelandic god of fashion, which explains why Icelanders tend to be so loving trendy.

In the myths, the Christmas Cat is pretty huge, but not as huge as I draw him. I made him Godzilla-size for a recent graphic novel I did, Thule (hopefully available in english in 2012).

*eighth is a funny word.

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Bendigeidfran
Dec 17, 2013

Wait a minute...
What do you mean "folklore creatures"? These are honest threats to God's Crusaders you're talking about. For shame.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Pathfinder Online Early Enrollment Update 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3IPkSQCia0

I can't stop laughing at the elf's running animations or how the archer looks like he's just gently letting go of the bowstring instead of actually firing the arrow.

e: "Comments are disabled for this video."

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Evil Mastermind posted:

e: "Comments are disabled for this video."
I'd disable comments too if I were trying to sell a game with early N64 graphics as the WoW-killing Next Big MMO.

Ratpick
Oct 9, 2012

And no one ate dinner that night.
It somehow looks even worse than the previous videos.

Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.
The graphics - at least the parts that look close to final, like the ogres, are actually pretty good for an MMO. It looks bad because most of it has untextured environments and lovely generic lighting and shaders. And the animations are minimum requirement baseline/placeholder. That all looks about where it should look at this stage.

The real problem, the reason it looks so crappy, is the art direction. Specifically, that there isn't any. Everything is very neutral, generic, and characterless. Love it or hate it, WoW has a very distinct, instantly recognizable visual language. So does FFXIV. Hell, so do the Pathfinder books.

This game doesn't. And if that isn't showing by now, it's never going to show up.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

I'd say it's not just the art direction but also the animation. None of the attacks look interesting or powerful because the characters are totally non-selling them.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

I don't care about MMOs. Away with this video!

ScaryJen
Jan 27, 2008

Keepin' it classy.
College Slice

Comrade Gorbash posted:

The graphics - at least the parts that look close to final, like the ogres, are actually pretty good for an MMO. It looks bad because most of it has untextured environments and lovely generic lighting and shaders. And the animations are minimum requirement baseline/placeholder. That all looks about where it should look at this stage.

The real problem, the reason it looks so crappy, is the art direction. Specifically, that there isn't any. Everything is very neutral, generic, and characterless. Love it or hate it, WoW has a very distinct, instantly recognizable visual language. So does FFXIV. Hell, so do the Pathfinder books.

This game doesn't. And if that isn't showing by now, it's never going to show up.

Art direction as well as very stiff, pole-up-the-butt animations. This game looks more like Everquest than that new Everquest Next thing did. I can't really fault anyone for disabling comments on a youtube video, though. Youtube comments are a sea of liquid crap any way you sail it.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Pathfinder Online is like the biggest joke at this point. I mean christ, even Elder Scroll Online tried. At least it had a clear vision and something, anything interesting behind it. Sure it failed, but at least there was an attempt to make a half-way decent game.

Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.
The animations are crap, but as I said they also look like the generic test animations you implement to test other features. They almost certainly aren't intended to be final.

If they are final, I will laugh my butt off.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Comrade Gorbash posted:

The animations are crap, but as I said they also look like the generic test animations you implement to test other features. They almost certainly aren't intended to be final.

If they are final, I will laugh my butt off.
The running animations are different than the last video I watched, though. So they in fact changed them to this.

Cyphoderus
Apr 21, 2010

I'll have you know, foxes have the finest call in nature

ScaryJen posted:

I wanna play this RPG story game.

I was going to make a huge effortpost about folklore in my Challenge of the Bandeirantes F&F but I just couldn't get through the game. It can be described as "GURPS without the exciting parts", that's how boring it is.

Ratpick posted:

In case you didn't know, Satan Santa Claus is from Finland.



Thing about Santa is, he was a certified badass.


TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Also the flaming hair goblin with backwards feet.

The curupira is genuinely cool though. An indian child with hair on fire and backwards feet (so you can't track him) and a big stick, who will beat you the gently caress up if you aren't eco-friendly.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Cyphoderus posted:

Other heavy-hitters of Brazilian folklore include a headless horse who spits fire through its nose, the eighth son after seven daughters becoming a werewolf (like a Discworld wizard went wrong), "huge snake only it's on fire", that guy with beer bottles for feet which I never got the point of, pipe-smoking half-naked one-legged black child, and a sexy porpoise.

"Huge Snake Only It's On Fire" sounds pretty legit.

Simian_Prime
Nov 6, 2011

When they passed out body parts in the comics today, I got Cathy's nose and Dick Tracy's private parts.

Ratpick posted:

In case you didn't know, Satan Santa Claus is from Finland.



Concept art for the Lamentations of the Flame Princess Christmas Spectacular

ScaryJen
Jan 27, 2008

Keepin' it classy.
College Slice

Cyphoderus posted:


I was going to make a huge effortpost about folklore in my Challenge of the Bandeirantes F&F but I just couldn't get through the game. It can be described as "GURPS without the exciting parts", that's how boring it is.


Ugh. Sounds like some good source material to skin a better system with, though!

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Cyphoderus posted:

I was going to make a huge effortpost about folklore in my Challenge of the Bandeirantes F&F but I just couldn't get through the game. It can be described as "GURPS without the exciting parts", that's how boring it is.

Challenge of the Bandeirantes was cool, my history teacher in HS used it on class one day.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
hahahahaha

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."
Not really sure if this is the right place but I can't think of anywhere better for it.

I'm helping to organise a Megagame in Scotland. No idea what a Megagame is? Well, think of it as a cross between a boardgame and a roleplaying game with upwards of 30 players with their own roles, jobs and tasks, not all of which are in perfect lock step with those around you. You can watch the Shut Up And Sit Down team at a megagame from last year about world governments dealing with an alien invasion here.


The megagame that I'm helping to organise is called Operation Goodwood! It's a two-level operational megagame pits German Divisional and Corps staffs against their British opponents in an intense pitched battle over the French countryside. Players represent commanders and senior staff-officers and must co-ordinate with adjacent teams, control subordinates, plan resources and manage superior commanders as well as interfering politicians. Information about the status of the battle comes via umpires who report 'from the front'. Unsuccessful commanders can be fired.

Operation Goodwood was an attack launched on 18 July 1944, by the British army to the east of the city of Caen with three armoured divisions, supported by a British corps on the eastern flank and a Canadian corps on the western flank. When Operation Goodwood came to a close on 20 July, the armoured divisions had broken through the initial German defences and had advanced 7 miles before coming to a halt in front of the Bourguébus Ridge. Some have called it the largest tank battle that the British Army has ever fought.

If you don't know anything about the time period or the battle that the game is set during then that's cool too! You really, really don't have to know anything about it (or even the structure of the British/German army in that time period.) All you have to know is that you need to manage your group, manage your managers (manage upwards!) and make sure that the person sitting to your left doesn't get you killed because no matter who it is, they're probably not as good at this as you are...

If you're interested, you can get tickets from here: http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/operation-goodwood-a-scottish-megagame-tickets-15599075254

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
"A game that isn't actually very good but skates by on pure brand name recognition and marketing" is Pathfinder through and through, MMO or otherwise.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
Er, whoops, somehow replied to the wrong thread.

Froghammer
Sep 8, 2012

Khajit has wares
if you have coin

Ratpick posted:

Also, since we're talking cool North European Christmas critters, the Icelandic Christmas Cat is definitely my favorite.


Google image searching Yule Cat is a good and worthy use of your time

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Froghammer posted:

Google image searching Yule Cat is a good and worthy use of your time
Agreed.

OtspIII
Sep 22, 2002

Sion posted:

I'm helping to organise a Megagame in Scotland. No idea what a Megagame is? Well, think of it as a cross between a boardgame and a roleplaying game with upwards of 30 players with their own roles, jobs and tasks, not all of which are in perfect lock step with those around you. You can watch the Shut Up And Sit Down team at a megagame from last year about world governments dealing with an alien invasion here.

Chiming in to say that I played the NYC Watch The Skies Megagame a few months ago and it was amazing. A bunch of classmates and I played as Russia and spent the entire game planting mutilated cows on American soil in an attempt to discredit them/alternately currying favor with and shaking down the Megacorporations that were the big moneymakers in the game. I'm in the wrong continent for this one, but anybody who can make it absolutely should.

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."

OtspIII posted:

Chiming in to say that I played the NYC Watch The Skies Megagame a few months ago and it was amazing. A bunch of classmates and I played as Russia and spent the entire game planting mutilated cows on American soil in an attempt to discredit them/alternately currying favor with and shaking down the Megacorporations that were the big moneymakers in the game. I'm in the wrong continent for this one, but anybody who can make it absolutely should.

The Russian team at the Watch the Sky's in Edinburgh came in giant fur hats and cold war era great coats. Every time you visited their table (ie. Moscow) for any reason, they would see it as a significant diplomatic issue if you didn't drink from one of the bottles of clear liquid. Now, since it wasn't even ten in the morning I assumed that the bottle would be water.

I went over there to introduce myself as chief scientist of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and to offer the services of the UK's top flight research institutes for any future research projects. I was offered a drink and gamefully accepted and nope. Vodka. They were utterly shitfaced by midday and they were just wonderful to deal with.

Megagames are great.

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

i wake up at night
night action madness nightmares
maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner
Yeah they're called Grand Strategies in NZ, there are a few people regularly running them. A really nice hybrid between boardgames and larps.

Jimbozig
Sep 30, 2003

I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Attention Jimbozig: I started looking more into Strike upon being urged by people on the IZ and now I ask: how fit is it to run a Final Fantasy Tactics game because I really wanna do one.

Oh hey Plutonis, didn't see this until today. It's been years since I played Final Fantasy Tactics, but from what I remember, I think Strike would be pretty much perfect.

Kemper Boyd
Aug 6, 2007

no kings, no gods, no masters but a comfy chair and no socks

Simian_Prime posted:

Concept art for the Lamentations of the Flame Princess Christmas Spectacular

Even weirder: art for the movie Rare Exports. And the art was apparently done by a goon.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Jimbozig posted:

Oh hey Plutonis, didn't see this until today. It's been years since I played Final Fantasy Tactics, but from what I remember, I think Strike would be pretty much perfect.

That's cool. I'll try to start one on roll20 as soon as finish midterms.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!

Sion posted:

Megagames are great.

Makes me think of the National Strategy Decision Making Game. I've never played, but I had friends who once swore by it and did it every year.

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
Isn't this just Model UN for adults?

I've seen some games run at Gencon, don't know what they were, and it mostly looked like running through wargame scenarios. Can you be an rear end in a top hat player like that one US general or admiral they don't invite back to wargames because he had tug boats loaded down with missiles and instantaneous bike messengers? Seems like it has the possibility of being super groggy.

EDIT: This isn't to say I don't want to play it, I do, but I've always felt like it would be quite the ride.

RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Mar 30, 2015

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

i wake up at night
night action madness nightmares
maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner
Some games that have been run here - they generally involve a large map, some boardgame-style rules, and roleplaying and diplomacy layered on top.

* Fortress America - a land invasion of the US
* several iterations of Decline and Fall of the Galactic Empire
* one based on Aye Dark Overlord
* a computer-moderated space mining / trading / war game
* WWII blitzkreig warfare on a colony planet
* post-Lovecraftian-apolcalypse survival

I ran a Tau Ceti colonisation game for 30 quite a while back based on elements of matrix games (http://www.wargamedevelopments.org/matrix.htm) and combat based on infomation war - it ended up way more peaceful than I was expecting sadly.

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

i wake up at night
night action madness nightmares
maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner
They're groggy in that you tend to be pushing cardboard units around maps, but not as far as rules go, because the rules are generally one-off rulesets with a team of GMs managing most of it, so there isn't much rules lawyering to be done.

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."

xiw posted:

They're groggy in that you tend to be pushing cardboard units around maps, but not as far as rules go, because the rules are generally one-off rulesets with a team of GMs managing most of it, so there isn't much rules lawyering to be done.

Well, it changes from game to game but Watch the Skies actually had a big X-com style map in the middle of the room with a similar-yet-legally-distinct Doomtracker sort of doodad. That map had lil wargame figures of spies and interceptors and military units getting shoved around but only by the military players. The only people that were allowed near the map were military players - the only people allowed in the science briefings were science players. The only people allowed at the UN were diplomats. This had some grog to it but at the same time it encouraged a lot of confusion among teams because no one knew everything that was going on...

As for rules lawyering and people getting salty - this doesn't tend to happen. Like, you have too much going on for you to be salty over things and it's up to the Control players to keep things in a line. It's the control players who are the umpires and it's up to them to make the calls. If you surf between control players until you get an answer that you like people will find out about it and people will tell you that it's a dick move and you should stop. Because the rules of a megagame are so flexible a Control player can invent a roll on the spot, agree it with the player or another control (if the player doesn't agree, just get another control player to agree) and then enforce that rule from that point forwards.

RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

Isn't this just Model UN for adults?

I've seen some games run at Gencon, don't know what they were, and it mostly looked like running through wargame scenarios. Can you be an rear end in a top hat player like that one US general or admiral they don't invite back to wargames because he had tug boats loaded down with missiles and instantaneous bike messengers? Seems like it has the possibility of being super groggy.

EDIT: This isn't to say I don't want to play it, I do, but I've always felt like it would be quite the ride.

I don't really know what Model UN is but we actually had a UN at the Watch the Skies game last year. China announced the existence of aliens without briefing anyone else in the world that they were going to do it (which was a bad thing to do.) The UN was struggling to pass resolutions because China was stonewalling everything since we'd been mean to China since they announced the existence of aliens. THis meant that a year after the aliens had been confirmed to the global population, the UN had managed to pass zero resolutions. Finally, when they did manage to get their poo poo together, it was to pass a resolution which meant that you had to have two security council vetos to veto anything.

So, in response to the impending alien threat, the UN's only course of action was to slightly modify how the UN worked.


It was a surprisingly realistic response...

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Sion posted:

Awesome megagame stuff

I'm usually not much for the face-to-face part of the RPG hobby, but drat if this stuff doesn't make me want to give it a try.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009
I'm gonna try to run a forum based Megagame around the Washington Naval Treaty. I'm curious if I'll get enough players but I'm gonna give it a try.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Thomamelas posted:

I'm gonna try to run a forum based Megagame around the Washington Naval Treaty. I'm curious if I'll get enough players but I'm gonna give it a try.

That's a fascinating historical event and I'd love to hear about it.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Gonna play as Japan and bypass the treaty while building my ship spouses on the computer game Kantai Collection

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011



I'm gonna make a RPG based on this and toriko where you have to eat and maybe cook the monsters you kill to get experience.

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Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
Fantasy Iron Chef is a great idea.

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