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Miltank posted:Humans cannot understand the nature of God; makes sense to me. What a convenient cop-out! Oh, but let me tell you all the things that God wants or needs or desires...
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Miltank posted:Hahaha you ride in on your high horse trying to explain that the nature of Jesus is a paradox like this is some revolutionary new insight. no, I rode in on my high horse to say there is no paradox. Only crazy trinity, christians see a paradox. I see a john baptist who says Im not elijah I see jesus who says the god label can be used on anyone so its not that significant I see jesus who says were all children of god so being son of god is no big deal. therefore jesus is just a normal human preaching a new spin on an old religion but instead of recieving the real message jesus was delivering. A bunch of OT jews forged messiah and other myths into the story. In fact you can strip away the mysterious nature of most of the stuff in the bible.
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Just going to point out that half of the defenders of Christianity in this thread are basically denying the Nicaean Creed which would make them heretics by the standards of most Churches, papist and Protestant alike.
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Feb 22, 2015 00:20
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DEKH posted:Just going to point out that half of the defenders of Christianity in this thread are basically denying the Nicaean Creed which would make them heretics by the standards of most Churches, papist and Protestant alike. Yeah, it's one thing to say that the gospel authors were fallible, or that the pope does/does not have whatever kind of authority, but to say that the Messianic prophecies are irrelevant, or that the gospel authors deliberately fabricated part of their stories...that kinda...like, why the gently caress are you still Christian? And then, ironically, Mormons get called out for being false Christians...pot, kettle, etc.
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Feb 22, 2015 00:29
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DEKH posted:Just going to point out that half of the defenders of Christianity in this thread are basically denying the Nicaean Creed which would make them heretics by the standards of most Churches, papist and Protestant alike. which part of the nicaean creed are they denying?
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Feb 22, 2015 00:40
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:Yeah, it's one thing to say that the gospel authors were fallible, or that the pope does/does not have whatever kind of authority, but to say that the Messianic prophecies are irrelevant, or that the gospel authors deliberately fabricated part of their stories...that kinda...like, why the gently caress are you still Christian?
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This whole "Jesus as the Messiah confusion came about from forged documents in order to make the bible gel better with the OT" stuff is starting to sound like a really good Dan Brown novel, but it's not quite there yet. Can we replace "Jews" with "The Vatican"?
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Feb 22, 2015 01:40
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What's the point of even having a prophecy if you're going to count "oh of course Elijah just returned as someone completely different who denied that he was and maybe never even knew" as fulfilling it. You might as well just say "Jesus is God, he doesn't have to fulfill no stinking prophecies if he doesn't want to" at that point.
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Feb 22, 2015 01:58
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Lady Naga posted:This whole "Jesus as the Messiah confusion came about from forged documents in order to make the bible gel better with the OT" stuff is starting to sound like a really good Dan Brown novel, but it's not quite there yet. Can we replace "Jews" with "The Vatican"? So it's a conspiracy theory compared to what, it being the truth?
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Feb 22, 2015 02:34
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logosanatic posted:which part of the nicaean creed are they denying? The co-essential divinity of the Son.
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Feb 22, 2015 02:35
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SedanChair posted:So it's a conspiracy theory compared to what, it being the truth? I'm saying it'd make good TV if you take liberties in dramatizing it is all.
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Feb 22, 2015 03:41
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Wasn't the Nicean Council a plot point in Da Vinci Code?
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Feb 22, 2015 13:34
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I found this video a little while ago and it makes me feel a sense of pride https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=710661775707756 There is this stereotype that being part of the body of christ means being socially conservative and that just isn't so.
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Feb 22, 2015 18:55
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DEKH posted:The co-essential divinity of the Son. Who is denying that the Son is ὁμοούσιος with the Father?
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Feb 22, 2015 20:15
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Feb 23, 2015 04:25
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logosanatic posted:delete Well now I'm curious
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i was gonna say something but changed my mind. I dont see a delete option
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Feb 23, 2015 13:56
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McDowell posted:Humans have a unique ability to record and transmit ideas - you don't see Otters or Chimps writing down the best properties to look for in rocks and sticks. You don't see them leveraging this knowledge over time to make better tools. There is strong and growing evidence that our dead relatives (eg. the Neanderthals) had symbolic thought. It's not unique to us. And it's probably not unique in the universe. McDowell posted:The average person doesn't really think about how language and media are strings that direct their thoughts and actions. In the digital world it is very dangerous for people to stay enslaved to these forces. I think people like Kyrie would rather see the majority remain unaware of this mechanism; maintaining a facade limited to a single absolute source of authority and truth. I absolutely agree. But the spiritual talk of religion, language and symbol is what that's actually about. Because it comes out of neo-platonism. Some very unsophisticated, even barely educated people grasp these ideas. They just do it in religious language. I think this is a massive opportunity.
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Kyrie eleison posted:The only way a state can morally enforce taxes at all is if it already owns your property. Like I said, the concept of "ownership" we have is more of a custodianship; you are granted a salary or wages and you use it to "purchase" things but you only really become a temporary custodian of those things, the ultimate ownership lies with the government (according to their narrative) which is why they can reclaim it at will through taxation. But while states claim this sort of divine right, it is only really true in the case of the papacy. CCC 2406 Political authority has the right and duty to regulate the legitimate exercise of the right to ownership for the sake of the common good CCC 2409 The following are also morally illicit: ... tax evasion CCC 2424 A theory that makes profit the exclusive norm and ultimate end of economic activity is morally unacceptable. the disordered desire for money cannot but produce perverse effects. It is one of the causes of the many conflicts which disturb the social order...Every practice that reduces persons to nothing more than a means of profit enslaves man, leads to idolizing money, and contributes to the spread of atheism. "You cannot serve God and mammon." CCC 2425 The Church has ... refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor...Regulating the economy ... solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market." Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended. I'm afraid that libertarianism is in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Catholic Church (of course, so is communism).
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So, let me get this straight: Dressing up as an animal, having fun, meeting new people, and making new friends makes you a horrible person, but worshiping a character you read in an estimated 2,000 year old book and trying to prosecute millions of people because they won't follow the rules in this book that was written around 2,000 years ago makes you a saint? I guess there really isn't any hope for the human race.
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ashgromnies posted:So, let me get this straight: Dressing up as an animal, having fun, meeting new people, and making new friends makes you a horrible person, but worshiping a character you read in an estimated 2,000 year old book and trying to prosecute millions of people because they won't follow the rules in this book that was written around 2,000 years ago makes you a saint? Both of those are equally awful but the former has never provided a single thing worthwhile to humanity and should be persecuted into extinction.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:17
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ashgromnies posted:So, let me get this straight: Dressing up as an animal, having fun, meeting new people, and making new friends makes you a horrible person, but worshiping a character you read in an estimated 2,000 year old book and trying to prosecute millions of people because they won't follow the rules in this book that was written around 2,000 years ago makes you a saint? Nothing wrong with the first but I think the second is a really narrow and one dimensional view of people of faith. The first actually sounds pretty close to what faith communities are like except for the dressing as an animal part.
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Mandy Thompson posted:Nothing wrong with the first but I think the second is a really narrow and one dimensional view of people of faith. The first actually sounds pretty close to what faith communities are like except for the dressing as an animal part. No you misread, he said prosecute. Clearly he's angry at lawyers.
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there is only one thing that matters and it is fursecution there is only one thing that doesn't matter and it's furries
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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So I was reading a goon's interesting read of American Psycho and I came across something that I thought was worth sharing. I'm sure you all remember this post:Kyrie eleison posted:So many people in this forum love to try to distort the teachings of Christianity, but they can't because the teachings are traditional and you can't change them and so they just end up looking like they have a kooky personal theory. And the disdain some of them show for me -- which they generally admit is the orthodox opinion -- I think it shows their mentality. I was hoping there might be more orthodox Christians on SA, but it seems you have all done a good job at keeping them out, which I imagine is because you are all really open-minded and progressive. Now I want you to juxtapose that post with this part of a critical review of the movie "American Psycho" quote:Bateman encounters a homeless man and we already know where this is going. Curiously enough, Bateman engages the man in conversation by offering him money to buy food with. Though not explicitly stated in the film, in the book Bateman is trying to legitimately be nice. It's an experiment for him, to see how charity makes him feel. Now I'm not saying that Kyrie is a barely restrained psycho killer, but it really stunned me just how similar his above rant is. I'm not entirely sure he isn't just trolling after watching the film to be honest. Caros fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Caros posted:Now I'm not saying that Kyrie is a barely restrained psycho killer, but it really stunned me just how similar his above rant is. I'm not entirely sure he isn't just trolling after watching the film to be honest. Which would of course also make him like Bateman, who I believe it is said did not in fact kill anyone and was just having hyper-real fantasies.
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Happy Easter! Did you miss me? I had a contemplative Lent. But now it's time to celebrate the triumphant return of Jesus, which so galvanized his followers that they created the best religion! Some people believe the resurrection to be made up out of spite, or merely wishful thinking... but they're wrong! He actually did physically rise from the dead, walk among us, and ultimately ascend to Heaven. Because he was God! The resurrection assures all of us that we too can have eternal life. Our bodies will be raised up in glorified form, for Christ has conquered death! Feast and enjoy yourselves, for the forty days of penance are over, and we are now free to enjoy the fullness of life. Remember to pray at the beginning and end of every day! And also to pray for your enemies! God bless! He is risen! 1 Corinthians 15 posted:[12] Now if Christ be preached, that he arose again from the dead, how do some among you say, that there is no resurrection of the dead? [13] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again. [14] And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. [15] Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God: because we have given testimony against God, that he hath raised up Christ; whom he hath not raised up, if the dead rise not again.
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Happy Easter to you too
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Hello, my favourite troll.
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g-d can go gently caress himself gently caress kentucky gently caress duke forever and ever amen
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I really didn't miss this thread.
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Apr 5, 2015 13:17
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did you get anything good in your stocking
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Kyrie eleison posted:God bless! He is risen! Where is he then? It's kind of a cop out to argue that he is risen when he isn't even here at this exact time. I mean, at least use the correct tense: He WAS risen. Honestly, this is still pretty silly, as you were not there, you didn't see it. Its like claiming that there was some awesome party, the best party in the universe, but you were not there, you just heard it from a friend of a friend. Disinterested posted:I really didn't miss this thread. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Apr 5, 2015 |
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Apr 5, 2015 13:29
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I don't think you can claim that when you have the most posts itt
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Rodatose posted:I don't think you can claim that when you have the most posts itt No, I didn't miss it. But at least its better than the other threads that have popped up.
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Oh you're not dead. Or maybe you were and rose again also?
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Jesus was fake and you follow a religion of pedophiles, HTH
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Kyrie eleison posted:Some people believe the resurrection to be made up out of spite, or merely wishful thinking... but they're wrong! He actually did physically rise from the dead, walk among us, and ultimately ascend to Heaven. Because he was God! I was skeptical until I saw the exclamation marks.
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Happy Easter everyone
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Hybrid children watch the sea Pray for Father, roaming free
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Reaganball Z posted:Happy Easter everyone Even as a little kid this is what I've taken away from the Easter story. The Israelites wanted a warrior king to drive out the Romans, didn't get what they expected, and the powers that be were happy to get rid of a troublemaker. I'm back on meds and attended a lovely Easter service. "I was cured, all right!"
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