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How old are you guys? Because I'm 21 and some of the ideas for high school reform getting thrown around are among the worst ideas I've ever seen. Making teenagers stay another couple hours at school would be more harmful overall than teaching creationism as a fact.
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Chamale posted:How old are you guys? Because I'm 21 and some of the ideas for high school reform getting thrown around are among the worst ideas I've ever seen. Making teenagers stay another couple hours at school would be more harmful overall than teaching creationism as a fact.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:22
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JT Jag posted:if you like your science class, you can keep your science class, have your high school experience specifically tailored to make you better at science, and graduate with a degree that says you are good at science. And if you don't like science, gently caress it. Yes, let's make optional the courses that are most connected with critical thinking, problem solving, and fact-based analysis of the world around us so we can have "life survival." LORD OF BUTT posted:I would honestly cut low-level computer classes. Higher-level CS can stay (though I've only ever heard of rich white suburban schools offering it) but the vast majority of people nowadays are semi-computer-literate and you could very easily roll a basic "how to use Microsoft Office" (which is all those classes ever were in my experience, just dragged out and repeated for a year) into that life survival class. Information and library skills are more important now than ever before. I don't know what kind of students you work with but the idea that kids just magically know how to use computers in a productive way is nonsense. I've had to spend 40 minutes getting kids to make simple graphs in Excel, much less use spreadsheets for computation.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:24
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site posted:lol i dunno if i agree with that but yeah making the day even longer kinda sucks. I'd rather hs start an hour later. high school needs to start later but good luck convincing parents that it's a good idea
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Apr 8, 2015 22:26
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I don't care what they do but I just want to make statistics mandatory because I'm so loving sick of seeing correlation = causation fallacies and lack of understanding of basic polling and sampling coming from people with PHDs.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:27
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MaxxBot posted:I don't care what they do but I just want to make statistics mandatory gently caress You.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:28
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Monkey Fracas posted:Mandatory firearms safety training in schools might not be a horrible thing. I received firearms safety training in high school.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:31
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Chamale posted:How old are you guys? Because I'm 21 and some of the ideas for high school reform getting thrown around are among the worst ideas I've ever seen. Making teenagers stay another couple hours at school would be more harmful overall than teaching creationism as a fact. How's this for an idea: less school, greater vertical integration of school as a business.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:32
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Stultus Maximus posted:Information and library skills are more important now than ever before. I don't know what kind of students you work with but the idea that kids just magically know how to use computers in a productive way is nonsense. I've had to spend 40 minutes getting kids to make simple graphs in Excel, much less use spreadsheets for computation. Dubstep Jesus posted:high school needs to start later but good luck convincing parents that it's a good idea
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Apr 8, 2015 22:34
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MaxxBot posted:I don't care what they do but I just want to make statistics mandatory because I'm so loving sick of seeing correlation = causation fallacies and lack of understanding of basic polling and sampling coming from people with PHDs. Raskolnikov38 posted:gently caress You. Maybe not statistics, but at least the basics of argumentation. Chapter 1 could be call "The Internet and Godwin's law"
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Apr 8, 2015 22:34
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Raskolnikov38 posted:gently caress You. Maybe just sit the students down and have some dude yell "CORRELATION ISN'T CAUSATION" at them for a week or something. It's a very simple concept and vitally important for understanding a lot of things but for some reason a lot of smart people don't understand it.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:36
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So Intro to Logic
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Apr 8, 2015 22:40
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Quote of the day, "No soy Hispano" ~ Jeb Bush https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yVwNqerb_M&t=24s
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Apr 8, 2015 22:40
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A Winner is Jew posted:Maybe not statistics, but at least the basics of argumentation. "Y'see kids, back in early-to-mid 20th century Germany there was a man named Hitler..."
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Apr 8, 2015 22:40
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This is from pages back but despite South Carolina having one, it is retardedly toothless and doesn't maintain high membership in anyway due to the fact that it is pretty much a null league player.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:40
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MaxxBot posted:Maybe just sit the students down and have some dude yell "CORRELATION ISN'T CAUSATION" at them for a week or something. It's a very simple concept and vitally important for understanding a lot of things but for some reason a lot of smart people don't understand it. Here's the thing. It doesn't matter if they teach this or not, people will still get fooled. Most people know the classic example of ice cream sales and murders. That doesn't keep them from making false equivalences.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:50
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site posted:So Intro to Logic
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Apr 8, 2015 23:00
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joeburz posted:logic courses aren't a part of every schools curriculum and its really hosed up The material can easily and appropriately be integrated into science, math, and language arts.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:02
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joeburz posted:logic courses aren't a part of every schools curriculum and its really hosed up Maybe add informal logic. I don't think high school students would gain much from analyzing truth tables.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:03
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Stultus Maximus posted:The material can easily and appropriately be integrated into science, math, and language arts. except they aren't
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Apr 8, 2015 23:03
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FlamingLiberal posted:Drudge was one of the first popular right wing news sites. Now there are a billion alternatives. Drudge is still the Rush Limbaugh of right wing websites. Bretbart's popularity was pretty much entirely due to the guy being close with Drudge and Matt Drudge would constantly link the site. Even when it was a direct copy/paste from AP or elsewhere. He still gets an insane amount of web traffic every month.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:05
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joeburz posted:except they aren't To circle this back to politics, remember one of the two major parties opposes the teaching of critical thinking. So if you wonder why education policy doesn't include more logic classes, that might be a reason.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:07
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PhilippAchtel posted:Maybe add informal logic. I don't think high school students would gain much from analyzing truth tables.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:17
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site posted:They weren't really worth poo poo at the college level either, but the course i took covered fallacies as well. That part should get taught in high school at least. Do you want to teach highschoolers fallacies and truth tables, or do you want to teach them the necessary skills to learn their own fallacies and truths?
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Apr 8, 2015 23:20
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Florida's House is currently debating a bill which would effectively extend RFRA-like protections to state-funded adoption agencies, allowing them the freedom to refuse adoptions to gay couples in response to a lawsuit that struck down a state law which prohibited all gay adoptions. In a move that should surprise no one, the chair of the House Judiciary Committee unceremoniously shut down testimony from a 10-year-old adopted by the family responsible for the lawsuit when his time was up, rather than granting him a few minutes to finish.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:29
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site posted:National hobo convention huh? That's gotta smell great. God damned right it does!
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Apr 8, 2015 23:29
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-08/for-some-wisconsin-state-workers-climate-change-isn-t-something-you-can-talk-about It sounds like something the SCOTUS would love to review.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:29
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Stultus Maximus posted:Which course gets cut? Phys Ed? At my school the level of physical activity was a joke, so the idea that kids who wouldn't normally get exercise were getting it at school was laughable. Though I guess some schools have already sort of trimmed that time. My wife took gym class in the summer so she could fit in all of her AP classes and electives like band during the actual school year. I don't know if programs like that are/were common. As someone who has taught college composition, I'd like to see high school students get some instruction in basic logic and reasoning. The inability of incoming students to write a coherent thesis -much less defend it- is frighting. I think being able to read and discuss things like news critically is a life skill that's pretty sorely lacking. Is it written somewhere? It must be true! If the average citizen was well-educated enough to suss out bias in the information they got, we'd be a lot better off. If you need to cut something, how about one of the 3 times they teach early American History? It's just masturbatory.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:31
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Nonsense posted:It sounds like something the SCOTUS would love to review. I could see SCOTUS ruling Union Dues an infringement on state workers' rights but literal gag orders being completely fine
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Apr 8, 2015 23:36
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I think the most important part about education reform is that it should be decided by people's knee-jerk opinions and have no regard for immense amounts of research on the subject.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:38
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Uranium Phoenix posted:I think the most important part about education reform is that it should be decided by people's knee-jerk opinions and have no regard for immense amounts of research on the subject. It's funny because this is literally the Republican position
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Apr 8, 2015 23:40
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Rygar201 posted:It's funny because this is literally the Republican position Hey now, Republicans are very interested in the education research done at Bob Jones university.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:43
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Karnegal posted:Phys Ed? At my school the level of physical activity was a joke, so the idea that kids who wouldn't normally get exercise were getting it at school was laughable. Half my English classes were just reading lovely old lit books so those can go too.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:50
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site posted:Yeah phys ed was a complete joke at my school. Got more exercise walking the hallways between classes. Yeah, a good solution to poorly structured courses is to remove them.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:52
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Florida's House is currently debating a bill which would effectively extend RFRA-like protections to state-funded adoption agencies, allowing them the freedom to refuse adoptions to gay couples in response to a lawsuit that struck down a state law which prohibited all gay adoptions. 
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Apr 8, 2015 23:56
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, a good solution to poorly structured courses is to remove them.
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Apr 8, 2015 23:58
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My phys ed was yoga
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Apr 9, 2015 00:00
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, a good solution to poorly structured courses is to remove them. I'm hard pressed to see why we need phys ed. If you're worried about kids' health they'd do way better to learn about nutrition and cooking on a budget.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:02
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site posted:Okay but there's a difference between that kind of computer training and the bs typing course that is usually offered at ms/hs level
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It's total pole riding but I love pictures of these two together.
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