NZpol: A Dick-Burning Dumpster Fire

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exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

SOEs are different from non-SOEs p. much in name only. When making a profit is the prime consideration you're going to get regional Air NZ flights cut, educational and alternative channels canned, mail delivery days reduced, etc.

Back Benches and Media7/Media3/Media Take were quality content on TVNZ 7, and C4 was better than Edge TV

Ghostlight posted:

"reflects Māori perspectives" (no definition);

Police Ten 7 is counted as this iirc :thumbsup:

# ? Apr 13, 2015 08:47

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# ? May 11, 2024 22:18

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Max TV

# ? Apr 13, 2015 08:58

Vandalseed: Jun 21, 2013; Bringdowner

Okay folks,

I've been called a human being on WhaleOil and a fascist on No Right Turn so I think I am probably in the middle.

As a Centrist, a very unwelcome breed in NZ, I appeal to all of you! This MUST BE STOPPED:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/271026/australians-not-interested-in-fifa-world-cup-bid

Never mind our differences, let's start today with a campaign to stop this from even being possible!

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:32

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

It's not possible though. It's just a matter of how much hot air and actual money Key spends pretending it is.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:39

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Yea, this sounds like a great idea. Never mind we can't manage the stadiums we currently have in Auckland, let's spend a whole bunch more on upgrading them for the most corrupt tournament on Earth.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:43

Vandalseed: Jun 21, 2013; Bringdowner

Ghostlight posted:

It's not possible though. It's just a matter of how much hot air and actual money Key spends pretending it is.

But that's the point. Joyce might spend some actual money on this, and the Minister of Tourism and Nice Smiles would rubber-stamp it.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:45

dusty: Nov 30, 2004

Ghostlight posted:

It's not possible though. It's just a matter of how much hot air and actual money Key spends pretending it is.

It's lollable to think UnZud has enough folding cash for the bribes needed to win hosting rights. Showing up with a plate of lamb burgers and Hulun Clarke isn't going to win this one.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:47

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Butt Wizard posted:

Yea, this sounds like a great idea. Never mind we can't manage the stadiums we currently have in Auckland, let's spend a whole bunch more on upgrading them for the most corrupt tournament on Earth.

V8 supercar race? gently caress THAT poo poo THINK OF THE TRAFFIC

loving FIFA? It's a big dream that should not be dismissed until work into has been done [sic]

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:47

dusty: Nov 30, 2004

Would be the best possible time to launch NZ Inc's new flag.

gently caress.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:52

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Slavvy posted:

V8 supercar race? gently caress THAT poo poo THINK OF THE TRAFFIC

loving FIFA? It's a big dream that should not be dismissed until work into has been done [sic]

The V8 Supercar race downtown actually had some sort of business case done for it, from memory, and it wasn't half bad. There was just the small matter of shutting down an essential transport corridor in the middle of the CBD.

It also had an added bonus of not having to bribe a bunch of people just to get your bid taken seriously, let alone the amount that you'd need to win hosting rights.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 09:58

Vandalseed: Jun 21, 2013; Bringdowner

OK,

So we seem to be in agreement.

What do you all think might be the best way to BANISH this very thought from the minds of the MPs who thought it was a good idea in the first place?

I am an old man and quite lame, so my first thought was a letter-writing campaign to all of our respective electorate MPs.

Other ideas?

# ? Apr 13, 2015 10:01

whiter than a Wilco show: Mar 30, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

Vandalseed posted:

OK,

So we seem to be in agreement.

What do you all think might be the best way to BANISH this very thought from the minds of the MPs who thought it was a good idea in the first place?

I am an old man and quite lame, so my first thought was a letter-writing campaign to all of our respective electorate MPs.

Other ideas?

Fly a plane directly into the beehive.

(Gcsb are all cucklords)

# ? Apr 13, 2015 10:08

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

"Qatar Worker Deathcount" down where the CWC countdown was in QE2 Square?

# ? Apr 13, 2015 10:10

A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

Vandalseed posted:

Okay folks,

I've been called a human being on WhaleOil and a fascist on No Right Turn so I think I am probably in the middle.

As a Centrist, a very unwelcome breed in NZ, I appeal to all of you! This MUST BE STOPPED:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/271026/australians-not-interested-in-fifa-world-cup-bid

Never mind our differences, let's start today with a campaign to stop this from even being possible!

are you one of those people who's like "I'm socially liberal but economically conservative"

# ? Apr 13, 2015 10:13

Kathleen: Feb 26, 2013; Grimey Drawer

bobbilljim posted:

I'm so stupid that if the tv is on I can't stop watching it until someone breaks the spell.

same.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 10:32

El Pollo Blanco: Jun 12, 2013; by sebmojo

Vandalseed posted:

As a Centrist, a very unwelcome breed in NZ, I appeal to all of you!

Everyone in this godforsaken country is a centrist, except they still manage to call each other communists and fascists with scant regard for what those words actually mean.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 11:16

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

OK it looks like when I was working everyone learnt what the ratings system is like but basically it's set top boxes that track what you watch (you log in with a special remote). Match the census data, move people in and out to account for population changes, multiply that fucker out.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 11:19

ledge: Jun 10, 2003

"Snedden said any bid process had to be started at least 10 years out, and that meant going for the 2026 or even the 2030 tournament."

Well, the fact that the 2022 tournament has already been awarded to Qatar (because they paid the biggest bribes) might also have something to do with going for 2026.

Not that we should and anyone suggesting this needs their loving head checked.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 11:26

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Butt Wizard posted:

We have a state broadcaster for this exact reason?

I don't think its that wacky an idea to expect your fellow human to act morally, regardless of who pays them. Plus, you need someone who isn't paid by the state. Although, RNZ seems to be doing a pretty good job of not being the govt's mouthpiece - probably because the govt slashed their budget. Maybe that was Nationals goal all along, and they really are good guys OH NO

# ? Apr 13, 2015 11:51

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Slavvy posted:

The problem with that is that we live in a capitalist society where individuals feel the benefits of having more money instantly whereas the benefits of ~~doing social good~~ are ephemeral at best.

The problem with the internet (and everyone else really) is that saying this automatically makes you a communist.

A TV executive will never say that they would never stop broadcasting the news because it's in the public good, because a TV executive's job is to make his company profits and screening an unprofitable programme is not how you do that. Doing the socially good thing in that instance would mean negative personal consequences for said executive, eventually leading to him/her being replaced by a more morally flexible individual. This is how literally every share-holding company on the planet works and how they're supposed to work; you make profits or you get kicked out. When given the choice between taking a moral stand in the name of the nightly news or having a job to go back to on monday, people will naturally choose the latter because we're wired to think that personal well-being is more important than vague notions of social good.

The entire purpose of corporations is to amass wealth at the expense of people outside the company - that's how capitalism works. I don't know why you have such difficulty grasping this. Yes it's terrible and ultimately unsustainable and socially destructive but badgering people about it won't help anything; the capitalist society we live in allows such entities to exist and is therefore fundamentally faulty. You won't somehow fix this by attempting to convince people to be nicer to eachother with no incentive aside from the feel-good factor swelling in their chest at the knowledge that they've done something 'good'.

I don't know why people keep trying to tell me how it currently is. I know how it is. I don't like how it is. I am not saying that right now tv executives are saying that they would never cut news because its the public good, I am saying that right now tv executives are saying they would cut the news if it made more money. Also, I am pointing out that that sort of behaviour is anti social and immoral.

Also, people are not wired to think that personal well-being is more important than vague notions of social good? That is quite a ludicrous claim you've made there, one I don't think you can reasonably back up.

klen dool fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Apr 13, 2015

# ? Apr 13, 2015 11:58

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

I would cut the news and point out that there other networks with the news and also the papers and also the radio and also the Internet and I would feel loving dandy about it because it means I could keep the station running and keeping people in jobs

puchu fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Apr 13, 2015

# ? Apr 13, 2015 12:05

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AG4odHCokw

klen dool posted:

I don't think its that wacky an idea to expect your fellow human to act morally, regardless of who pays them. Plus, you need someone who isn't paid by the state. Although, RNZ seems to be doing a pretty good job of not being the govt's mouthpiece - probably because the govt slashed their budget. Maybe that was Nationals goal all along, and they really are good guys OH NO

They really are the shining light. But just compare how often Key appears on Morning Report and Hosking/Henry. Kim Hill is filling in on Morning Report this week though :buddy:

puchu posted:

I would cut the news and point out that there other networks with the news and also the papers and also the radio and also the Internet and I would feel loving dandy about it because it means I could keep the station running and keeping people in jobs

Well, except the journalists and everybody else who works on the News.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 12:09

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

Butt Wizard posted:

the most corrupt tournament on Earth.

We're hosting the Olympics now?

# ? Apr 13, 2015 12:10

edogawa rando: Mar 20, 2007

El Pollo Blanco posted:

Everyone in this godforsaken country is a centrist, except they still manage to call each other communists and fascists with scant regard for what those words actually mean.

So what you're saying is, our new flag should be based on this.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 12:13

A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

Vagabundo posted:

So what you're saying is, our new flag should be based on this.

Funnily enough National Bolsheviks actually do exist.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 14:18

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 15:29

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

Exclamation Marx posted:

Who cares, it's one of the least offensive things he's ever said. I'm sure he'll do another racism soon enough.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 22:20

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

puchu posted:

I would cut the news and point out that there other networks with the news and also the papers and also the radio and also the Internet and I would feel loving dandy about it because it means I could keep the station running and keeping people in jobs

Also there only being one source of news would increase their ratings and therefore their advertisers and budget but the law of capitalism is that you have to compete.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 22:31

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

klen dool posted:

Also, people are not wired to think that personal well-being is more important than vague notions of social good? That is quite a ludicrous claim you've made there, one I don't think you can reasonably back up.

Yes they are, it's self-evident. Why do you work? It's not so you can give all your money to charity. Civilisation exists because people worked out that working together improves everyone's lot; everyone benefits in ways that they wouldn't be able to by their own labour alone. It's ultimately a self-centered structure. When given an ultimatum between direct harm to yourself vs intangible benefit to society, you choose yourself and this is totally normal and natural. Human nature, you might say. I'm not even sure why you're disputing this?

# ? Apr 13, 2015 23:15

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Slavvy posted:

Civilisation exists because people worked out that working together improves everyone's lot

Slavvy posted:

It's ultimately a self-centered structure.

Really a self-centered structure is where people worked out that loving everyone else improves their own lot. Not one where a complex intangible structure like civilisation is built out of mutual cooperation for benefits unknowable until they are achieved.

# ? Apr 13, 2015 23:31

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

I wonder how long the bronze-age communal farm wonderland existed before someone decided the farm needed a supervisor and it was gonna be him.

# ? Apr 14, 2015 00:14

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Leadership being necessarily selfish in nature is not axiomatic.

# ? Apr 14, 2015 00:28

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Slavvy posted:

Yes they are, it's self-evident. Why do you work? It's not so you can give all your money to charity. Civilisation exists because people worked out that working together improves everyone's lot; everyone benefits in ways that they wouldn't be able to by their own labour alone. It's ultimately a self-centered structure. When given an ultimatum between direct harm to yourself vs intangible benefit to society, you choose yourself and this is totally normal and natural. Human nature, you might say. I'm not even sure why you're disputing this?

Oh my god - you really believe all this poo poo? I'm out. I can't argue with someone so loving dumb.

# ? Apr 14, 2015 01:14

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

I can't tell which posts are the ironic ones

# ? Apr 14, 2015 01:25

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

klen dool posted:

Oh my god - you really believe all this poo poo? I'm out. I can't argue with someone so loving dumb.

When I'm treading over your selfless corpse in the looming post-apocalypse I'll be sure to remember this.

bobbilljim posted:

I can't tell which posts are the ironic ones

Good.

# ? Apr 14, 2015 02:04

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Simon "Bridges" hosed up

http://polity.co.nz/content/northland-bridges-%E2%80%93-oia-scandal-1-3
http://polity.co.nz/content/northland-bridges-%E2%80%93-oia-scandal-2-3
http://polity.co.nz/content/northland-bridges-%E2%80%93-oia-scandal-3-3

# ? Apr 14, 2015 03:30

dusty: Nov 30, 2004

Is the Great NZ Weed Drought 2015 really a thing?

There's been this dumb article on Vice http://www.vice.com/read/whos-to-blame-for-new-zealands-weed-shortage and Rusty Brown mentioned it in passing during his appearance on The Nation on Saturday.

Just wondering how y'all are finding it to score.

# ? Apr 14, 2015 03:34

awesmoe: Nov 30, 2005; Pillbug

dusty posted:

Is the Great NZ Weed Drought 2015 really a thing?

There's been this dumb article on Vice http://www.vice.com/read/whos-to-blame-for-new-zealands-weed-shortage and Rusty Brown mentioned it in passing during his appearance on The Nation on Saturday.

Just wondering how y'all are finding it to score.

don't commit your hate crimes here, narc

# ? Apr 14, 2015 03:43

Bushmaori: Mar 8, 2009

dusty posted:

Is the Great NZ Weed Drought 2015 really a thing?

There's been this dumb article on Vice http://www.vice.com/read/whos-to-blame-for-new-zealands-weed-shortage and Rusty Brown mentioned it in passing during his appearance on The Nation on Saturday.

Just wondering how y'all are finding it to score.

It's been over two months since I've been able to find any, and the last stuff I bought was a major rip. It was pretty much the best thing for my insomnia so it's been a while since I've had a good nights sleep.

I wish death on those politicians who oppose legalization.

Edit: That's in Palmy btw.

# ? Apr 14, 2015 03:52

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# ? May 11, 2024 22:18

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

I don't think a single year has gone past without me hearing how difficult it is to get weed "these days" from an acquaintance in Auckland for like the last decade or more. The Auckland City Mission seems to have plenty, so it can't be that bad.

# ? Apr 14, 2015 04:03

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