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Now I'm just curious about what the execution of the other xeno games would have been like. Xenosaga seemed doomed from the start and xenogears I guess had a rocky development cycle too if disc 2 is any indication, but I can only wonder if they could have kept that poo poo up for 6 or however many games they wanted to make. Like, wasn't xenosaga 2 just the rest of xenosaga 1 that they had to cut out? And then they compressed the rest of their grand story into 3, idk the exact reason but I'd guess due to the poo poo with takahashi. I remember hearing about his wife being so sad about them being in control anymore. I wonder if anyone's ever gonna be crazy enough to try adapting that xenogears perfect works poo poo again, for the 3rd time lol
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FirstAidKite posted:Now I'm just curious about what the execution of the other xeno games would have been like. Xenosaga seemed doomed from the start and xenogears I guess had a rocky development cycle too if disc 2 is any indication, but I can only wonder if they could have kept that poo poo up for 6 or however many games they wanted to make. Xenogears had a perfectly fine development cycle, they just had their budget stolen by the Final Fantasy VIII team.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:35
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Xenoblade seems to be a good example.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:36
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Golden Goat posted:So she was just stupid and not evil.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:37
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Xenogears had a perfectly fine development cycle, they just had their budget stolen by the Final Fantasy VIII team. Lmao that's even more hilarious then. I thought they were just pressed for time and had to cut poo poo but decided not to actually cut poo poo
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Apr 14, 2015 17:37
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Xenosaga 3 was a great game and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise while wearing my rose tinted glasses. More importantly holy poo poo Star Ocean is alive. This is like an old girlfriend coming back after you thought they moved away and skipped town. I'm all aboard I don't care about any of the details bring on the Star Ocean.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:39
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SSNeoman posted:Xenoblade seems to be a good example. My personal theory for why Xenoblade didn't go off the tracks like the others is that Nintendo cracked the whip on them in the same way they pulled a good game out of Silicon Knights.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:41
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So is SO4 like that time you saw her on a reality porn site and you just don't talk about it, or...?
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Apr 14, 2015 17:41
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I'm mostly surprised that Square-Enix put up a teaser site that evoked memories of a certain game series and the reveal was actually a game in that series on consoles and not some garbage smartphone game of a long dead property that nobody cares about. It's only sorta dead.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:43
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Overlord K posted:More importantly holy poo poo Star Ocean is alive. This is like an old girlfriend coming back after you thought they moved away and skipped town.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:43
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Golden Goat posted:Why are these two thing similar to you? why?
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Apr 14, 2015 17:44
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Phantasium posted:I'm mostly surprised that Square-Enix put up a teaser site that evoked memories of a certain game series and the reveal was actually a game in that series on consoles and not some garbage smartphone game of a long dead property that nobody cares about. That's more Capcom's thing  .
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FirstAidKite posted:Now I'm just curious about what the execution of the other xeno games would have been like. Xenosaga seemed doomed from the start and xenogears I guess had a rocky development cycle too if disc 2 is any indication, but I can only wonder if they could have kept that poo poo up for 6 or however many games they wanted to make. Xenosaga 2 was the rest of Xenosaga 1, rewritten by another team with details chopped out to make it less confusing and more accessible (lol). The original goal of the series was to have 3 story arcs take place across six episodes, two games per arc. In other words, episode 3 wasn't the result of compressing the entire rest of the series into one game. It was just the entire plot of what was originally planned as episode 2, forced into being the series conclusion. There may have been some details peppered in there from other arcs just to provide some closure for a few plot points, but we only got the "Shion Arc" of Xenosaga, just 1/3 of the overall story. I imagine Lost Jerusalem was going to be the next arc, either in the far, far future, or in the distant past during the time of Jesus, since apparently major poo poo went down then.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:53
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Xenogears had a perfectly fine development cycle, they just had their budget stolen by the Final Fantasy VIII team. People keep saying that, but realistically even if they had full budget all the stuff that's chair read in disk 2 would not fit into a reasonable-length game anyway. And they clearly learned nothing by time of Xenosaga.
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Apr 14, 2015 18:01
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Neddy Seagoon posted:My personal theory for why Xenoblade didn't go off the tracks like the others is that Nintendo cracked the whip on them in the same way they pulled a good game out of Silicon Knights. That's completely true -- Nintendo reps said they would fund its development if they had a playable demo to show off the game, which apparently shocked everyone because Square Enix always does the gameplay and demos last. They said that it really helped pull the teams together because they had to work stuff out in order to get the gameplay and engine working, and basically admitted that Square Enix's workflow is retarded
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Apr 14, 2015 18:05
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U-DO Burger posted:Xenosaga 2 was the rest of Xenosaga 1, rewritten by another team with details chopped out to make it less confusing and more accessible (lol). The original goal of the series was to have 3 story arcs take place across six episodes, two games per arc. In other words, episode 3 wasn't the result of compressing the entire rest of the series into one game. It was just the entire plot of what was originally planned as episode 2, forced into being the series conclusion. There may have been some details peppered in there from other arcs just to provide some closure for a few plot points, but we only got the "Shion Arc" of Xenosaga, just 1/3 of the overall story. I imagine Lost Jerusalem was going to be the next arc, either in the far, far future, or in the distant past during the time of Jesus, since apparently major poo poo went down then. Shion sucks ans is dumb and I do not like her at all I wonder if they could've made her likable if they were able to keep the development from going off track. lmao probably not.
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I never played xenosaga 3, did they try to make shion likable or did they stop and just double down on her being a terrible person Cause drat she was terrible. I know a few of the plot twists in 3 so I know about poo poo like I guess she created the gnosis or something, idk, she's responsible for all that dumb poo poo for some reason and that makes it sound like they might've just given up on trying to make her look like a good person.
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Apr 14, 2015 18:10
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FirstAidKite posted:I never played xenosaga 3, did they try to make shion likable or did they stop and just double down on her being a terrible person They went the double down route, to the point where she LITERALLY betrays the party for really stupid reasons for a while.
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Apr 14, 2015 18:12
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FirstAidKite posted:I never played xenosaga 3, did they try to make shion likable or did they stop and just double down on her being a terrible person hahahaha no they do not make her likable. Infinity Gaia posted:They went the double down route, to the point where she LITERALLY betrays the party for really stupid reasons for a while. HOWEVER, you get to fight her in battle, and if you switch Ziggy in you can use his Choke move to literally break her neck. Over and over. Sweet, sweet catharsis.
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Apr 14, 2015 18:16
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What the gently caress was the deal with shion anyway Like, were we supposed to not like her in the first few games or was that accidental that she ended up being a terrible person or what
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Apr 14, 2015 18:18
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I think we were supposed to like her in Game 1 and then her glasses broke and she took a one-way trip down poo poo lane to dickhead grove.
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Apr 14, 2015 18:20
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corn in the bible posted:That's completely true -- Nintendo reps said they would fund its development if they had a playable demo to show off the game, which apparently shocked everyone because Square Enix always does the gameplay and demos last. They said that it really helped pull the teams together because they had to work stuff out in order to get the gameplay and engine working, and basically admitted that Square Enix's workflow is retarded Not disagreeing about S-E's workflow nor is the rest of what you said incorrect, but Xenoblade was developed by MonolithSoft.
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Shion was okay in episode 1. She was really smart and decisive, and she showed compassion and understanding to most people. Even if she was kind of naive. Her character lost all of that once they started rushing the plot.Coughing Hobo posted:Not disagreeing about S-E's workflow nor is the rest of what you said incorrect, but Xenoblade was developed by MonolithSoft. Nintendo owns MonolithSoft.
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corn in the bible posted:That's completely true -- Nintendo reps said they would fund its development if they had a playable demo to show off the game, which apparently shocked everyone because Square Enix always does the gameplay and demos last. They said that it really helped pull the teams together because they had to work stuff out in order to get the gameplay and engine working, and basically admitted that Square Enix's workflow is retarded what a shocking revelation i wonder if the fact that the squeenix new deus ex is just a trailer with no gameplay implies they are still doing things this way (yes they are)
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Golden Goat posted:Why are these two thing similar to you? why? I thought Star Ocean was dead and had no hope of ever seeing it again is what it means. SO4 was kinda like an abusive relationship that I kept going back to. I played through it entirely three times.
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SelenicMartian posted:See, the main character doesn't just teach them about antimatter. Her loving gives the one and only power core of his own ship to a BDSM evil scientist lady 
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Zereth posted:A what?
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I can tell Star Ocean 5 will be something special already. Having the main characters sister as the love interest but IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT BLOOD RELATED and another girl who has JRPG amnesia and the ingame screenshots still have an uncanny valley doll look to them too 
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corn in the bible posted:edge maverick Fedel Castro
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dear tri-ace please make this poo poo not so gross cant play it without feeling like a pedo thanks
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I can tell Star Ocean 5 will be something special already. Having the main characters sister as the love interest but IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT BLOOD RELATED and another girl who has JRPG amnesia and the ingame screenshots still have an uncanny valley doll look to them too childhood friend and loving someone like a big brother is not really the same as being a sister, you're being unfair. screenshots look fine too, although its weird that someone who supposedly is one of the 3 main characters does not have an ingame model yet
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I can tell Star Ocean 5 will be something special already. Having the main characters sister as the love interest but IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT BLOOD RELATED and another girl who has JRPG amnesia and the ingame screenshots still have an uncanny valley doll look to them too IE: they've been friends since childhood
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Apr 14, 2015 20:31
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So you Saturn fans know, Dragon Force II has been translated. http://www.verve-fanworks.com/ I recall reading an LP of Dragon Force 1, and that 2 was superior. So have at it. I hear Saturn emulation is sheer hell though.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I can tell Star Ocean 5 will be something special already. Having the main characters sister as the love interest but IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT BLOOD RELATED and another girl who has JRPG amnesia and the ingame screenshots still have an uncanny valley doll look to them too They need this poo poo to grab in the Japanese audience. Who knows, it could be a good game otherwise. Unless you want Tri-Ace to trash everything from the start and build the game into a free-to-play mobile garbage like Capcom did to Breath of Fire 6. I get so depressed every time I bring that up.
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What made Infinite Undiscovery a bad game?
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Tallgeese posted:So you Saturn fans know, Dragon Force II has been translated.
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Rinkles posted:What made Infinite Undiscovery a bad game? Bad gameplay, bad plot, bad graphics, bad voice acting.
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ImpAtom posted:Bad gameplay, bad plot, bad graphics, bad voice acting. Anything not bad?
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Endorph posted:she isnt his sister, she's 'like a sister' so she'll still call him onii-chan basically corn in the bible posted:That's completely true -- Nintendo reps said they would fund its development if they had a playable demo to show off the game, which apparently shocked everyone because Square Enix always does the gameplay and demos last. They said that it really helped pull the teams together because they had to work stuff out in order to get the gameplay and engine working, and basically admitted that Square Enix's workflow is retarded Honestly I'm really loving glad. Monolith seems really good at crazy symbolism but they seem really bad at directing it anywhere meaningful. I do think the allegories help the story more than it hurts them, but after a while something has to happen otherwise the audience basically stops giving a poo poo. Having good gameplay is a plus too. If Nintendo can give them that direction, it seems like a win for everyone. And yeah having proper workflow and milestones is super loving important.
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Rinkles posted:Anything not bad? the achievements are so tedious that all i knew about the game before today is that gave people mental breakdowns, which is funny
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