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This actually seems like a good idea, except that after watching the video and reading the pitch I have zero confidence in their ability to write decent adventures. They can't even give their pitch without having their laptops set up in front of them to read their lines. I agree that a lot of games could use stand-alone quickstarts or "here's how to run this" packets (hell, that's how the Dungeon World Guide got started), but I don't think this is exactly the team to do it. Also when I see a KS say something like "+5 Boots of Awesome!" I want to punch someone. e: also  at Tephra, a game only known to the people who kickstarted it.
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They put their first update in the campaign description? They did a podcast with some outfit called "Additional Pylons", so now I am on board with hating them instead of feeling pity. EDIT: quote:I'm a GM. Can't I just do that myself? That reads as sarcastic. I love it again. EDIT 2: Are they seriously shipping a USB stick in every box, including the $35 one? Even using 1GB bargain bin crap that seems like a bad use of funds. This poo poo is organized like poo poo. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Apr 20, 2015 14:21
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Plague of Hats posted:EDIT 2: Are they seriously shipping a USB stick in every box, including the $35 one? Even at 1GB that seems like a bad use of funds. That's what I was wondering, too...that's how it reads, but just some basic Googling says that 100 1GB drives could cost anywhere from $200 to $400. That's a lot of money for something that could be handled by a shared Dropbox folder or something. And that's before you get into things like shipping costs. It's like the dice; they don't need to send dice unless it's something like Fate or DCC where you need specific non-standard dice to play. And despite their "I don't need more dice...said no gamer ever" comment, I honestly do not need more dice.
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Apr 20, 2015 14:35
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And even then, a d6 to FATE conversion table is all of three lines. If you really need weird dice... choose another game.
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Apr 20, 2015 14:39
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Oh my loving Christ, if nothing else, everyone needs to watch the beginning of their pitch video. Oh, okay, the next paragraph is "we really want to do other stuff but we don't have the money or connections." EDIT 2: Haha, I thought I'd accidentally paused their pitch video while tabbing, but no, it just trails off and clips the end of the last pointless word that dude was saying. EDIT 3: Evil Mastermind, your original post on this Kickstarter tricked me into thinking it was only a wrong-time wrong-place thing and not an actual clusterfuck. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Apr 20, 2015 14:41
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Plague of Hats posted:EDIT: Wait, what? "We're making adventures for open-content licensed games" and their campaign description mentions Dark Heresy, WoD and GURPS.
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Apr 20, 2015 14:47
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Snack recipes, say for instance, "a bowl of popcorn and some glasses of wine." 
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Apr 20, 2015 14:49
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quote:Pledge $5,000 or more
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Apr 20, 2015 14:52
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It's a cute idea, but it's the kind of cute idea that lives tidily on someone's blog, or in the wilds of Drivethru next to D20 Tentacle Monster. Bundling dice, and USB sticks, and sachets of spices is an uncomfortable reminder of early Kickstarter failures. On the other hand, they're asking forty bucks a box.
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Apr 20, 2015 14:52
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Have they said what the first game is going to be? It seems like something like this would really step on the toes of something like, say, the Pathfinder Beginner Box
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Apr 20, 2015 14:52
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I mean, the idea of doing a TTG style interpretation of the Lootcrate model isn't a bad one per say but these people aren't going to not gently caress it up. You need to include dice and things because thats what people expect from these sorts of "monthly box of stuff" deals, they're all about the swag and stuff. I think the best way to do it would be to pay someone to write up new adventures and then work some deals with publishers to get the equivalent of those Free RPG Day rules and stuff. You'd then pad the months you don't have "real" content with OGL stuff. poo poo like USB drives, T-shirts, cards, miniatures and such are all great ideas and definitely should be included. You'd need to establish connections in China to get your swag cheap, and you'd probably wan't to register as an actual game store so you could go through places like Alliance and Noble Knight to get old/OOP stuff that no one wants at retailer pricing.
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Apr 20, 2015 14:56
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Even if their pitch didn't sound like a couple of dorks sitting on a couch and one of them says "Hey, Jerry, I've got a cool idea", these people clearly don't have the money or connections to do this right. If you want $12k, you don't have to spend $1k on an amazing mic with filters, but you're going to have to at least find a room that doesn't loving echo so much.
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Apr 20, 2015 15:04
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So they're trying to do what pathfinder has already done? The difference is in the lack of a genius marketing team that turned that raw edition war thinking that happens every time into pure profits. Hypothetically speaking, can you still do what old paizo publishing did with their 3.5 supplements before they started pathfinder?gradenko_2000 posted:Have they said what the first game is going to be? It seems like something like this would really step on the toes of something like, say, the Pathfinder Beginner Box
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Plague of Hats posted:Even if their pitch didn't sound like a couple of dorks sitting on a couch and one of them says "Hey, Jerry, I've got a cool idea", these people clearly don't have the money or connections to do this right. If you want $12k, you don't have to spend $1k on an amazing mic with filters, but you're going to have to at least find a room that doesn't loving echo so much. You could also try to memorize your five lines instead of hiding behind a wall of laptops and visibly reading your lines off them.
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Apr 20, 2015 15:16
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It would have been better if they'd stayed silent and just let the wizard do everything for them.
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Apr 20, 2015 15:23
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A black-and-white infomercial style would've been great. The laptop scene should've been black and white when the wizard materializes, clears the desk, and lays out the contents of each pack while the scene turns to color. then a giant BUY OUR STUFF local ad style emblazoned on the screen.
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Apr 20, 2015 15:42
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They could have at least tried to get a take where they don't fumble over their lines.
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Apr 20, 2015 16:24
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You're assuming they did multiple takes. 
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Apr 20, 2015 16:59
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CodfishCartographer posted:They could have at least tried to get a take where they don't fumble over their lines. Think about it: that was the best take.
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Apr 20, 2015 17:15
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Leperflesh posted:Also solved 15+ years ago with digital versions of the rules (Core Rules was a CD-Rom with the 2nd edition rules available on it; 3rd edition came with a CD-ROm for the character builder which had spells - and the D20 SRD is hyperlinked). Yep. Except 5e isn't digital (which is a dumb decision, in my opinion, but it is what it is.)
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Apr 20, 2015 18:22
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I admit to knowing very little about fifth edition. I tried going to the chatty thread where people are allowed to bag on it, but it had been moved to BYOB or something and then it got closed. I'm not interested enough to bother reading the thousands and thousands of posts in the TG D&D Next thread. So, I'm just assuming that it's regressive and cocked up and bad.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:32
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Leperflesh posted:I admit to knowing very little about fifth edition. I tried going to the chatty thread where people are allowed to bag on it, but it had been moved to BYOB or something and then it got closed. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Traditional Games > D&D NEXT: it's regressive and cocked up and bad Yes. Yes it is.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:35
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Leperflesh posted:I admit to knowing very little about fifth edition. I tried going to the chatty thread where people are allowed to bag on it, but it had been moved to BYOB or something and then it got closed. It's pretty much "I didn't like D&D4, let's try something like D&D3 again", which is loving pathetic for the flagship product of the industry. Wizards' bizarrely regressive policies on PDFs started with 4E, though, at least partially because they couldn't plug their in-house leaks. So, you know, gently caress your customers for that, I guess.
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I dunno, being regressive seems to be working fabulously for Pathfinder. I'm assuming D&D Next will be a Pathfinder also-ran, in terms of sales, and then D&D itself will either be canceled completely, or someone will get a clue that differentiating your products from that of your competitor is more effective then emulating your competitor. But again, these are all fairly unfounded assumptions, because I just haven't taken the time to find out for myself what D&D next is. And this probably isn't the right thread to go into it. ...can we get an official "poo poo on D&D next" thread? Because like I said, the one that used to exist is gone now. e. I mean, lol at this:  Just... no.
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Leperflesh posted:...can we get an official "poo poo on D&D next" thread? Yes, it's called the D&D Next thread. For instance, the latest discussion is the guy who raised the AoE/fetus question planting his flag on the hill of rolling random stats for chargen with the argument that "sure, sometimes your characters will be poo poo, but boy does it feel good when you roll three 18''s!" among other stupidity. There's no need for an official "poo poo on Next" thread because Next is such an aggressively mediocre game with so much half-assed about it and whose proponents tend to be some stripe of moron that the only way a discussion thread about it isn't going to involve some level of bagging on it is if you enforce RPGnet style "[+] thread" etiquette (or post it to ENWorld I guess).
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Apr 20, 2015 18:50
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The OP says that edition wars aren't allowed, so I believed that.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:52
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I think it's fair to prefer a more condensed, focused critique than listening to a thousand howling madmen at once. Maybe someone particularly funny could F&F it.
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I mean you don't have to go in there guns blazing, but there are only so many ways you can diplomatically tapdance around things like "the encounter building guidelines are constructed entirely on gutfeels and fairy dust" or "Fighters are pretty much back to being a chump option" or "all the spells in the game are in one big unorganized alphabetical list instead of something useful, in this the year of our lord 2015."
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Leperflesh posted:The OP says that edition wars aren't allowed, so I believed that. Calling a game poo poo isn't necessarily edition warring!
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Leperflesh posted:...can we get an official "poo poo on D&D next" thread? Because like I said, the one that used to exist is gone now. That is the poo poo on D&D Next thread. Ettin had to make an entirely separate thread supposedly for discussion on actually playing the thing because the original thread kept getting derailed by people whining about TG not being kind enough to Next. And believe you me Next is poo poo enough of its own accord, edition warring not included.
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OK, well then. In that case, can we have a thread that isn't over sixteen thousand posts? Probably not, it's just too popular a thread. I'm pretty sure I'm being lazy and unreasonable at this point, but thanks for letting me know that thread isn't as constrained as I'd thought.
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Kai Tave posted:I mean you don't have to go in there guns blazing, but there are only so many ways you can diplomatically tapdance around things like "the encounter building guidelines are constructed entirely on gutfeels and fairy dust" or "Fighters are pretty much back to being a chump option" or "all the spells in the game are in one big unorganized alphabetical list instead of something useful, in this the year of our lord 2015." Toss is a reminder that the warlord was removed literally because "shouting hands back on is dumb" and you're all set. Cut and print.
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Kai Tave posted:For instance, the latest discussion is the guy who raised the AoE/fetus question planting his flag on the hill of rolling random stats for chargen with the argument that "sure, sometimes your characters will be poo poo, but boy does it feel good when you roll three 18''s!" among other stupidity. "Why do you keep slamming your head into the wall?" "Because it feels so good when I stop!"
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Oh yeah, Millennium Blades funded, and now they added the first stretch goals to the project page. These add small bits to the game every 10k in pledges, though the 100k goal will add an expansion with 10 new card sets (12 cards each, so 120 total). I dont think it says so there but from the comments I get that this will be an add-on. Also there's a new pledge tier: 3 copies of the basic Gamer tier for triple the price, but with a lower shipping per copy. It lowers the international shipping from 43 to 22 (per copy).
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Plague of Hats posted:I think it's fair to prefer a more condensed, focused critique than listening to a thousand howling madmen at once. Maybe someone particularly funny could F&F it. Well volunteered.
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I have a theoretical kickstarter question. Why am I seeing 2-3 'dark fantasy' RPGs a month recently (50% of which are d20)? Is it just "Game of Thrones is a popular TV show, what if we capitalized on that", but with
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DalaranJ posted:I have a theoretical kickstarter question. It's the cultural zeitgeist or some poo poo, like how steampunk was a few years back.
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Also nerds have always loved trying to "prove" how "mature" their hobbies are as if anyone else really gives a gently caress.
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Mehuyael posted:Oh yeah, Millennium Blades funded, and now they added the first stretch goals to the project page. These add small bits to the game every 10k in pledges, though the 100k goal will add an expansion with 10 new card sets (12 cards each, so 120 total). I dont think it says so there but from the comments I get that this will be an add-on. Probably an addon, yeah. The expansion for Argent was.
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malkav11 posted:Probably an addon, yeah. The expansion for Argent was. Unless they send you a copy of the expansion when you didn't pledge for it, like they did to me with Argent.
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