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SA2K posted:I've been hearing all over local radio and such that San Diego State is already working behind the scenes to partner with an MLS team to build a 30-35k seat stadium on the SDSU campus in the event that the Chargers leave. The most surprising part is that they would try and put an MLS team in San Diego.
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:The most surprising part is that they would try and put an MLS team in San Diego. Lotta people like soccer here
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Apr 23, 2015 03:10
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SA2K posted:Lotta people like soccer here Not disagreeing but with two teams in LA and the league already at 24 teams planned I can't see San Diego getting a team until 2020 or later.
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Apr 23, 2015 03:16
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:Not disagreeing but with two teams in LA and the league already at 24 teams planned I can't see San Diego getting a team until 2020 or later. Didn't Chivas fold?
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Apr 23, 2015 03:17
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SA2K posted:Didn't Chivas fold? They did fold and a bunch of rich guys paid 100 million for a brand new team scheduled for 2017 (in reality they will join in 2018).
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Apr 23, 2015 03:24
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SA2K posted:I've been hearing all over local radio and such that San Diego State is already working behind the scenes to partner with an MLS team to build a 30-35k seat stadium on the SDSU campus in the event that the Chargers leave. That's what Connecticut did when Kraft and the Patriots said "Just kidding you guys were just for leverage." Nice new stadium for a terrible UConn football team to try to still feel like they accomplished something. Well besides wasting a ton of money.
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Apr 23, 2015 03:35
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If Rams get their deal secured is it a race between Raiders and Chargers or are they gonna try to force 3 teams? Or, more realistically, is Dean Spanos just going to take the standing offer from SD and shut up?
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Apr 23, 2015 04:46
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serious question why does the rams owner want to move to California while they are in such an intense drought?
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Metapod posted:serious question why does the rams owner want to move to California while they are in such an intense drought? Because his franchise will instantly double (at least) in value?
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The L.A. Clippers sold for 2 billion of your earth dollars. They earn less than half of what any NFL franchise earns in national TV revenues alone (until their new TV deal kicks in next year, anyway). It's crazy to think what an NFL team with exclusive rights to the second largest TV market in the country (12 million people) would be worth, but your answer is "lots more than one in St. Louis." I don't think the drought really is a consideration. Compared to the 27,000,000+ acres of farmland that currently use 80% of the state's water, a football field in LA isn't a blip on the radar.
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Metapod posted:serious question why does the rams owner want to move to California while they are in such an intense drought? It's okay because rams frequently live in arid regions and can rely solely on ingesting grasses and shrubs for hydration
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Apr 23, 2015 14:27
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Rasczak posted:It's okay because rams frequently live in arid regions and can rely solely on ingesting grasses and shrubs for hydration What if there is no grass. What then!!
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Apr 23, 2015 15:46
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Bricks of ditch 'grass' smuggled in from across the border.
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CannonFodder posted:Bricks of ditch 'grass' smuggled in from across the border. Not even a joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl4yN6adFAU
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Apr 23, 2015 16:49
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Tricky Ed posted:I don't think the drought really is a consideration. Compared to the 27,000,000+ acres of farmland that currently use 80% of the state's water, a football field in LA isn't a blip on the radar. Plus the water they use for concessions is shipped from the Annheiser Busch breweries in other states anyway
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Metapod posted:serious question why does the rams owner want to move to California while they are in such an intense drought? California has tooons of pasture land available and is more than willing to supply water to the herds e: should've read the thread  Rasczak posted:It's okay because rams frequently live in arid regions and can rely solely on ingesting grasses and shrubs for hydration
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Doesn't Kroenke have to pay for the relocation fees and stadium out of pocket though? Isn't that like $2bio?
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Zurreco posted:If Rams get their deal secured is it a race between Raiders and Chargers or are they gonna try to force 3 teams? If the Rams secure their deal in Inglewood, then Carson as a dual-team stadium is dead, because the NFL won't allow three teams in LA. It's also dead as a single-team stadium, because the economics are terrible and neither the Chargers or Raiders can afford to build there alone. They may attempt to force Kroenke to accept a second team in Inglewood, but I don't know the logistics of that or how much of a threat that is. Certainly, Kroenke doesn't want to do that, because then he's splitting revenues with another team. I think if he gets in, it weakens the bargaining position of the other teams. The Chargers, whether they stay or go, will demand compensation for the Rams moving into their turf.
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Glass of Milk posted:Certainly, Kroenke doesn't want to do that, because then he's splitting revenues with another team. Besides the second team keeping their own and luxury box revenue, what else would be split? Kroenke owns the stadium so he would get the money from naming rights and theoretically the other team would be leasing the use from the Rams.
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DreamtShadow posted:Besides the second team keeping their own and luxury box revenue, what else would be split? Kroenke owns the stadium so he would get the money from naming rights and theoretically the other team would be leasing the use from the Rams. This is why I can't see the Chargers moving in to be Stan Kroenke's Tennant.
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SA2K posted:This is why I can't see the Chargers moving in to be Stan Kroenke's Tennant. And this is exactly why I can see the Raiders doing it. Although I wonder if Kroenke takes the NFL's $200 million and the Raiders/Chargers contributed $200 million from the league if that would give them any sort of equity stake.
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Glass of Milk posted:If the Rams secure their deal in Inglewood, then Carson as a dual-team stadium is dead, because the NFL won't allow three teams in LA. It's also dead as a single-team stadium, because the economics are terrible and neither the Chargers or Raiders can afford to build there alone. They may attempt to force Kroenke to accept a second team in Inglewood, but I don't know the logistics of that or how much of a threat that is. Certainly, Kroenke doesn't want to do that, because then he's splitting revenues with another team. Kroenke already announced that the Inglewood stadium is going to be built to house two teams. Two full sets of offices, owners boxes, home lockerrooms, etc
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Assuming the Kroenke is also going to have a hand in the redevelopment of the area I'm sure he would much rather have an NFL game being played 16 weeks a year instead of just 8. Also in this scenario the Raiders and Rams never make the playoffs so everything stays the same.
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Here's a video of the stadium St. Louis is building. It looks pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQkGOSnJ9rY
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The Glumslinger posted:Kroenke already announced that the Inglewood stadium is going to be built to house two teams. Two full sets of offices, owners boxes, home lockerrooms, etc "Kroenke doesn't need to partner with another team to finance the stadium, but the NFL sees L.A. as a two-team market and wants venues to be capable of hosting both. The Inglewood plan is two-team compliant, which means it has two home locker rooms, identical sets of office space, and two owners' suites. Whereas the Carson proposal is based on the Chargers and Raiders simultaneously relocating, it is widely believed Kroenke does not want to share the market with another NFL team right away, and, because he would be assuming the risk of the stadium by himself, would want to reap the benefits of getting his team up and running as L.A.'s sole franchise." http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-stadium-inglewood-20150322-column.html Both things are true, I think. He doesn't want to share the stadium, but he's going through the process because he knows the NFL will be more likely to put the screws in if he doesn't design it with two teams in mind. The design can quickly change if the Raiders and Chargers get stadium deals in their respective cities. I don't know precisely, but I would think if he builds and owns the stadium, he can charge rent to whatever other team shows up. Plus he would likely retain all of the naming rights money. Alternatively, he could make a second team pitch in some cash to the construction if he's the only game in town. He may also negotiate with the NFL to be the sole NFL franchise in LA for x number of years before they require him to take on a second team. Glass of Milk fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Glass of Milk posted:"Kroenke doesn't need to partner with another team to finance the stadium, but the NFL sees L.A. as a two-team market and wants venues to be capable of hosting both. The Inglewood plan is two-team compliant, which means it has two home locker rooms, identical sets of office space, and two owners' suites. Whereas the Carson proposal is based on the Chargers and Raiders simultaneously relocating, it is widely believed Kroenke does not want to share the market with another NFL team right away, and, because he would be assuming the risk of the stadium by himself, would want to reap the benefits of getting his team up and running as L.A.'s sole franchise." He wants to share the use of the stadium, but he wants to be the sole owner of the stadium. He wants a second team there so there are more home games and more revenue for him. He also wants to get back to the market a year or two earlier to build up a strong fan base
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One thing to keep in mind is that even with all the money in the world, Kroenke has to rely on NFL approval. If Kroenke gets all his poo poo sorted in a week with room to spare, and Carson ekes itself into being workable after months of nitpicking, the NFL can, and likely would, approve the Carson deal and tell Kroenke to suck it up. So it's irrelevant which deals seem more likely to go through the approval process, because as long as both of them do get approved, the NFL can take its pick.
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Glass of Milk posted:One of the SD Councilpeople (whose district Qualcomm is in) released a mocked up new stadium shot: Also as SA2k mentioned, lol @ traffic on Friars road if this happened.
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Tzen posted:The most unrealistic part of this image for me is just how green all the surrounding area is. Good luck with that. Seriously, it took me two hours and change to get from Carlsbad to being parked in the stadium last season.
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LockHeart posted:Seriously, it took me two hours and change to get from Carlsbad to being parked in the stadium last season. Coaster to Trolley, mang. Why would you ever want to be on any of the highways during a home game at Qualcomm? As if traffic wasn't bad enough.
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Zurreco posted:Coaster to Trolley, mang. Why would you ever want to be on any of the highways during a home game at Qualcomm? As if traffic wasn't bad enough. Took the Coaster -> Trolley to the Pats game and we didn't get onto the trolly until midnight after a Monday night game. We used to take the bus from Escondido, but the stadium stopped offering that a few years ago.
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https://twitter.com/LobShots/status/596892312858300416/photo/1
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especially when you consider the Clippers used to be in San Diego 
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the LA chargers will definitely be the NFL equivalent of the clippers though
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May 9, 2015 07:46
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He was probably just there to support his family name
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At least he isn't supporting Golden State
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So next Wednesday, the CSAG (Citizen Stadium Advisory Group) plans to release their financing plan to both the mayor and the Chargers, a plan they've been working on for the last several months. Bits and pieces of it are starting to leak out: -The plan is supposedly for a 1.3 Billion dollar facility on the Mission Valley site. -The Chargers and NFL will each contribute $250 Million (They've both already publicized this) -Both the city of San Diego and County of San Diego will contribute $120 Million each -Development of the surrounding area (ala the Petco Park method) will pay for the rest of the stadium as well as pay the city and county back.
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do you mean the Chargers and NFL have already said they'd pay that much?
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football fuckerman posted:do you mean the Chargers and NFL have already said they'd pay that much? Yeah, the Chargers and NFL have said they'd kick in 250m each.
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