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Lotka Volterra posted:How hard is it to read? It's not that I didn't understand what you wrote, LV, it's that I think it's dissembling bullshit that you cobbled together post-hoc to explain to yourself and other why Team Blue tried its bestest to avoid voting for the guy with the fleet of flying killbots and that's different than 1980 because of reasons. I think that both of those posts were massive stretches in an attempt to make sense of two contradictory ideas, mixed in with some weird moral compromise (if you vote in the primary and phone bank for Bernie Sanders, then you get a hall pass for voting for President Dredd) when there's a much simpler and more depressing explanation right in front of you: What we think does not matter at all. You don't agree with me on that and that's fine, but don't pretend like I'm just too dumb to understand your finely crafted arguments or that I don't know what you are saying. I just don't believe what you are saying.
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Dubstep Jesus posted:Has anyone about posted how hosed Virginia's voting machines are? Don't worry, most states likely use the same machines and setup.  I'd kill to see a law passed that regulated voting machines as heavily as slot machines. FizFashizzle posted:I mean as a serious presidential candidate, not just a pillowpants wet dream. He was being treated as A Big Deal pretty much immediately after his convention speech. As soon as it was over you had reporters covering the event (I think CNN's?) talking about how presidential he looked and that this Obama guy will almost certainly make a run at the White House.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Also, wouldn't that not work? If the SC drops the subsidies they're gone, aren't they?
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Apr 23, 2015 19:16
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Don't worry the Supreme Court has a bunch of justices who focus their judicial philosophy on original intent and since the people who wrote this bill have publically said their intent was that states could use the exchange, we should see a unanimous ruling affirming that's the case.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:19
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FAUXTON posted:literally. http://www.scribd.com/doc/262863000/Order-of-Dismissal I had a lawyer friend of mine pull the dismissal notice from PACER and post it, good stuff.
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Bobby Jindal takes a bold stand:quote:In Indiana and Arkansas, large corporations recently joined left-wing activists to bully elected officials into backing away from strong protections for religious liberty. It was disappointing to see conservative leaders so hastily retreat on legislation that would simply allow for an individual or business to claim a right to free exercise of religion in a court of law. It's amazing when you find a living fossil in the wild. But I have to ask, what is he going to be saying tomorrow when all the major businesses tell him to shut the gently caress up, Sunday when all the political talk shows mock him and so on? How does he think he'll be any different than New Mexico, Indiana and Arkansas?
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GlyphGryph posted:The TPP is not really much of a trade agreement though, and does almost nothing for free trade from everything I've read? It's more a law-synchronization-and-enforcement agreement. It focuses on patents, labour rights, copyright, solidifying entrenched business interests, environmental regulations, giving corporations tools to force governments into acting the way they want, and establishing dominance over China.
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Solkanar512 posted:Bobby Jindal takes a bold stand: The major businesses won't care until a bill is passed committee. Jindal can raise all the money on the right he wants fighting for "religious freedoms" but so long as he actually doesn't do anything the business interests will still give him money.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:25
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I'm a big fan of the ability to enforce contracts internationally. I think it actually does a fair amount to make people want to trade. I just think we're going about it in awful horrible no-good very bad ways. Trade yes, but at what cost. The cost in human misery that the TPP promotes and the cost to organized labor and fair wages is despicable. Its not worth it.
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It seems like the GOP is moving away from the 'Job Creator' rhetoric these days. Maybe they figured out that poor and middle class whites aren't huge fans of them either and are trying to cash in on some of that populist anger by aiming it at something stupid and impossible instead of anything that involves money.
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Maarek posted:The comparison is very apt, it's just much easier for you to see how you might be forced into voting for someone who does bad things than how someone else might do that, especially if those people are wearing the other team's jerseys. The problem is that when you stop viewing The Others as a mass of mean little political hobgoblins it reveals just how powerless everyone who doesn't have a few million dollars to toss around is in our political system. It also destroys one of D&D's favorite fantasies about how once everyone born before 1950 is dead, our populace will be cafe au lait progressives who will all vote us into Social Democracy or something. I like how you didn't even address my actual point, which is that an existing policy disagreement changes things when we talk about voter accountability. Reagan and Carter had strong, open disagreements about the dismantling of the social safety net. Obama and Romney/McCain did not have substantive disagreements over the use of drones in the GWOT, except perhaps that Obama has been restrained compared to what President McCain would do with the same tech and broad authority. But please tell us more about how you're so far above the D&D hoi polloi and their fevered fantasies. I can't wait to hear what our modern Socrates has to teach us about how wealthy people have...gasp...accumulated power to a large extent in our political system. Please give us more revelation! Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 19:39
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Solkanar512 posted:Bobby Jindal takes a bold stand: In other Louisiana news, LSU is drafting bankruptcy paperwork. Solid job, Jindal.
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Bizarro Watt posted:In other Louisiana news, LSU is drafting bankruptcy paperwork. Solid job, Jindal. You say that like it wasn't his plan all along. Now businesses can buy up LSU at wholesale prices so they can pay off creditors. Get ready for all kinds of science papers that support businesses along with having the backing of a major US university.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:49
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Maarek posted:While I completely agree that McCain and Romney were both worse candidates for the Presidency, this does nothing to explain why we have to blame Reagan voters for all the bad things that Ronald Reagan did but we shouldn't blame Obama voters for the bad things that he has done. Because there was no easy alternative to Obama, and there was one for Reagan. The cases are not remotely comparable, and it's dumb as poo poo to suggest they are. It's like KPD members who refused to cooperate against Hitler because the SPD is no better, right? The two parties are not just as bad, and to suggest they are is massively dishonest and irresponsible
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Apr 23, 2015 19:57
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You complain about this guy who shot an unarmed black man, but have you stopped and thought about how this guy who mugged a white person is bad too?? #allcrimesmatter
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I know it's still early yet, but Hillary needs to start releasing some policy positions. She doesn't have an issues page up on her website yet and she has started her "listening tour." It will be interesting to see where she ends up, especially on foreign policy, once it all gets started. I think a lot of the domestic stuff will surprise people who have a bad taste from her third-way history in the 90's and early 2000's. She has hired a lot of great progressive advisers and all Presidents tend to follow their party and the 2016 Democratic party is going to be more liberal than the 1992-2005 Democratic party. I think Hillary actually has less than 10 declared policy positions right now. 1) 4 weeks of national paid maternity leave for full-time employees. 2) Pro-Cuba normalization. 3) Pro-Iran negotiations. 4) Supports universal Kindergarten. 5) Supports national gay marriage; not a state issue. (good position, but she isn't on the court) 6) Supports constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United (nice gesture, but going nowhere) 7) Raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. 8) Raise capital gains tax by 5% Some of the stuff is going to be obvious, pro-choice and all that, but aren't officially a part of her campaign yet. However, issues like the TPP treaty, which she said she would only support if "it helps American businesses and workers" hasn't been spelled out yet and that phrasing could mean anything. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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To be fair to Reagan voters, no one could have known in 1980 (or 1984!) the awful things that would happen under his watch. I mean it's not like Reagan campaigned in '84 by saying "I promise to illegally sell arms to Iran" or "As President I can guarantee that I will kickstart the creation of massive Federal deficits". The more curious thing, to me, is how Reagan has been raised to demi-God status by conservatives after his Presidency; it remains to be seen if the same will happen with Obama in 15 years (it probably will not?).
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Reagan was elected in a landslide and every Republican president since Eisenhower has either been a criminal, a joke, a forgettable one termer, or some combination of the those. He's the best they have so they need to elevate him to God-Emperor status in order to have someone they can claim made America great as their own.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I know it's still early yet, but Hillary needs to start releasing some policy positions. She doesn't have an issues page up on her website yet and she has started her "listening tour." It will be interesting to see where she ends up, especially on foreign policy, once it all gets started. I think a lot of the domestic stuff will surprise people who have a bad taste from her third-way history in the 90's and early 2000's. She has hired a lot of great progressive advisers and all Presidents tend to follow their party and the 2016 Democratic party is going to be more liberal than the 1992-2005 Democratic party. There are 18 1/2 months to go until the election; I'm sure we'll get a full slate of policy positions from Hillary between now and then. my bony fealty posted:The more curious thing, to me, is how Reagan has been raised to demi-God status by conservatives after his Presidency; it remains to be seen if the same will happen with Obama in 15 years (it probably will not?). I suspect that Obama will be remembered relatively fondly by Dems - similar to Bill Clinton, but without his personal scandals.
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my bony fealty posted:The more curious thing, to me, is how Reagan has been raised to demi-God status by conservatives after his Presidency; it remains to be seen if the same will happen with Obama in 15 years (it probably will not?). Liberals don't fundamentally yearn for a past that never was, so I doubt it.
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If the ACA manages to survive the barrage arrayed against it and its protections become entrenched as a part of the national safety net, then Obama's legacy is ensured.
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Eagerly awaiting the 2044 elections where the Democratic candidates all strive to prove they are the most "Obama-like" candidate
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JT Jag posted:If the ACA manages to survive the barrage arrayed against it and its protections become entrenched as a part of the national safety net, then Obama's legacy is ensured. If the ACA remains intact would that put him above Bill with his personal scandals or LBJ with Vietnam? I mean he's not beating FDR but being put in the league of those two isn't exactly a bad thing.
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Chelsea comes to a debate in blackface.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I think Hillary actually has less than 10 declared policy positions right
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A Winner is Jew posted:If the ACA remains intact would that put him above Bill with his personal scandals or LBJ with Vietnam? Depends on if America is pro or anti police state come 10-20 years. If we hate our police state era, then Obama will be a less liked president. If we're into the police state then Obama will be even more liked.
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Bizarro Watt posted:In other Louisiana news, LSU is drafting bankruptcy paperwork. Solid job, Jindal. All LSU needs to do is include elimination of football in the paperwork and Jindal will be tarred, feathered, and dumped in a bayou.
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Okonner posted:If only the president had some institutional power or influence over the courts. Yeah, but the issue will be decided by the court, one way or the other, before she is elected. The ruling is expected in June 2015.
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Comcast is giving up its attempt to merge with TWC, which is another win for the Obama Administration's revitalization of antitrust enforcement. The deal probably would have sailed through the Bush DOJ. edit: Actually it looks like it was the FCC that got out the first "get hosed, we're rejecting this" evilweasel fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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DaveWoo posted:I suspect that Obama will be remembered relatively fondly by Dems - similar to Bill Clinton, but without his personal scandals. Long run there's no chance Obama doesn't get the hagiography treatment from history. "First black president" alone would do it, add in the recovery and the ACA and it's a slam dunk. Drones, spying, foreign policy, that will all get glossed over just like we do with FDR and the internment or Lincoln and habeus corpus, or Jefferson and slaves. It will be trivia for historians and trump card references for political nerds on the hypernet as they compare it to President Jack Bush's declarations that the zorblaxians have WMDs and we must attack Mars.
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A Winner is Jew posted:If the ACA remains intact would that put him above Bill with his personal scandals or LBJ with Vietnam? I mean he's not beating FDR but being put in the league of those two isn't exactly a bad thing.
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Fried Chicken posted:Long run there's no chance Obama doesn't get the hagiography treatment from history. "First black president" alone would do it, add in the recovery and the ACA and it's a slam dunk. Drones, spying, foreign policy, that will all get glossed over just like we do with FDR and the internment or Lincoln and habeus corpus, or Jefferson and slaves. It will be trivia for historians and trump card references for political nerds on the hypernet as they compare it to President Jack Bush's declarations that the zorblaxians have WMDs and we must attack Mars. How is Lincoln's suspension of habeus corpus an issue with anyone but neoconfederates? quote:The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
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evilweasel posted:Comcast is giving up its attempt to merge with TWC, which is another win for the Obama Administration's revitalization of antitrust enforcement. The deal probably would have sailed through the Bush DOJ. The FCCs been remarkably cool recently
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Stultus Maximus posted:How is Lincoln's suspension of habeus corpus an issue with anyone but neoconfederates? Because that section is in the section on Congress's powers and nobody before (or really after) thinks the Constitution gives that power to the President. Congress has the power to suspend the writ, not the President. But that's a stupid place to vest the power when poo poo has hit the fan enough it's justified, so Lincoln did it anyway and got Congress to retroactively approve of it.
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Stultus Maximus posted:How is Lincoln's suspension of habeus corpus an issue with anyone but neoconfederates? I want to say "libertarians" but I feel like I have to separate out people that like civil liberties from the tea partiers these days. But regardless, it and the alien and sedition acts comes up occasionally in discussions regarding the Patriot Act and other post 9/11 stuff.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:The FCCs been remarkably cool recently Everyone was worried that Tom Wheeler's history would make him side with cable companies and telcos, but it looks like it left a bad taste in his mouth.
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haveblue posted:Everyone was worried that Tom Wheeler's history would make him side with cable companies and telcos, but it looks like it left a bad taste in his mouth.
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JT Jag posted:The ACA as well as the potential nationwide legalization of gay marriage that will occur under his presidency isn't quite as monumental as the Great Society and the Civil Rights Act, so (strictly on a domestic politics level) I'd put him just below LBJ and above Clinton. Getting UBL and drawing down the wars will also be huge. The narrative of "Bush poo poo the bed, Obama cleaned it up" is pretty much how history is going to remember the first two decades of this century. One of the many things conservatives hate about Obama. I know it was expected but loving LOL. Had an E4 done that poo poo he'd be rotting in Leavenworth for decades. VVVVVVVVV
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