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Do you guys already have really high level perks unlocked? I can't imagine doing the higher difficulties presently with low perks. I've played the game 10 hours in the few days it's been out and my highest perk is Level 5. I don't know how people are getting up so high already in some of my games.
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The big difficulty change is the animations. Enemies duck and weave all over. Looks great but can be jarring to hit something that doesn't sit still. Also I find bullets travel too slowly. I don't need hitscan levels of gunplay but making bullets travel slightly faster would mitigate a few of the issues.
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Apr 24, 2015 19:04
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randombattle posted:Medic having a better version of guns from every class except berserker definitely helps it be awesome. I was pleasantly surprised by this (the medic having a good selection of weapons)
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Apr 24, 2015 19:19
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Can I confirm how the boss fight works? You shoot him, he changes colour and is then invincible until he grabs and heals. After 3 heals you can kill him properly. Is this right? I'm with a group of pubbies who are so convinced you shouldn't ever be grabbed that I'm beginning to doubt myself.
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Apr 24, 2015 19:30
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open 104.156.246.12:7777 pw lljk for Suicidal attempts
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Apr 24, 2015 19:32
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MooCowlian posted:Can I confirm how the boss fight works? You shoot him, he changes colour and is then invincible until he grabs and heals. After 3 heals you can kill him properly. Is this right? I'm with a group of pubbies who are so convinced you shouldn't ever be grabbed that I'm beginning to doubt myself. All of that, plus he is invincible during the time when he is chasing you down for a person to leech off of. So you are just wasting ammo by kiting him during that
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Apr 24, 2015 19:33
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Well, I guess I'm glad I just spent five minutes watching people run in circles wasting their ammo on him then.
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Apr 24, 2015 19:38
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MooCowlian posted:Can I confirm how the boss fight works? You shoot him, he changes colour and is then invincible until he grabs and heals. After 3 heals you can kill him properly. Is this right? I'm with a group of pubbies who are so convinced you shouldn't ever be grabbed that I'm beginning to doubt myself. Check this out it was extremely helpful for me to understand the mechanics: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430682679 It sounds like what your group was trying was a valid method of killing the boss, but I've not yet seen it pulled off successfully and it seems like the much more difficult / higher coordination required way to fight him.
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Apr 24, 2015 19:42
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MooCowlian posted:Well, I guess I'm glad I just spent five minutes watching people run in circles wasting their ammo on him then. Yeah a lot of people are stuck in the mindset that the first KF boss used, where if you simply pumped enough damage quickly you could skip the heals. Hans is going to heal to full 3 times no matter what, he's basically the opposite of the Patriarch design-wise.
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Apr 24, 2015 19:45
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Can I get a GIF of the scrake doing his call out and fist pump? tia
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Apr 24, 2015 19:58
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Penpal posted:Killing Floor 2 Graphical bug: https://youtu.be/f5MiIlTfJpU ok glad this isnt just me, I had this happen to me once and I thought i was having a seizure or something
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Apr 24, 2015 20:04
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MadBimber posted:Can I get a GIF of the scrake doing his call out and fist pump? tia I love this animation btw, it's so intimidating when it's pointed at you.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:07
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I'm loving the hell out of KF2, but I'm just gonna say it: The boss is dumb. His mechanics are really awkward, his animations look bad and glitchy, and the fact that he's invulnerable half the time and will ALWAYS go through a very specific set of actions in a fight is just really stupid. He's just plain not fun to fight. At this point I'm just playing at difficulties where the waves are super hard to survive through, and ignoring him at the end. It's just not even fun to fight him at all, and the difficulty gap between the waves and him is way too large. The patriarch was lame in KF1 as well, amazingly this guy seems even more dumb.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:10
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Geight posted:I love this animation btw, it's so intimidating when it's pointed at you. First time I saw a scrake on hard, I turned a corner and he just pointed at me. Then he pirouetted me to death. I think it's my favorite animation in the game so far.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:32
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open 104.156.246.12:7777 - suicidal attempts. At 4 people right now.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:44
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I'll agree with some of what's been said about the boss. The invulnerability phases aren't really communicated to the player, getting one shot by gas grenades is lame, and I only learned about the "three heals" thing from this thread this morning. He's just not much fun to fight.MadBimber posted:First time I saw a scrake on hard, I turned a corner and he just pointed at me. Then he pirouetted me to death. I think it's my favorite animation in the game so far. The scrake's callout point is tied for me with the clot's zombie stomp. This game has great animations.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:54
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The three heal part seems kind of obvious with how damaged he gets, it's the invuln/85% Damage Resist that isn't communicated at all. I'm sure that will be the first major change to Hans, is making that part obvious to the players. Also I find Hans more interesting than the Patriarch because he can't be instagibbed, but for me the meat and potatoes of KF has always been the waves, not the boss.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:58
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DoombatINC posted:I'll agree with some of what's been said about the boss. The invulnerability phases aren't really communicated to the player, getting one shot by gas grenades is lame, and I only learned about the "three heals" thing from this thread this morning. He's just not much fun to fight. Yeah, the clot's new powerwalk is great, it always makes me chuckle when I see it. 
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Apr 24, 2015 21:07
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So, with the medic's Enforcer skill, you can get more ammo from pickups than you can buy. This messes with the ammo prices in the shop.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:10
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Reallycoolname posted:So, like, did one of the dev's nephew come up with the quit screen taunt? My uncle who works at Nintendo confirmed it.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:12
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Peewi posted:So, with the medic's Enforcer skill, you can get more ammo from pickups than you can buy. This messes with the ammo prices in the shop. I had this happen on Support once too.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:13
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Perestroika posted:Yeah, the clot's new powerwalk is great, it always makes me chuckle when I see it. I'm not complaining, it's been improving my hardcore zombie invasion simulator experience significantly!
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Apr 24, 2015 21:16
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From a server I was on the other day. If you're looking to understand why this boss is such a motherfucker, look no further. 6 man on Hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M67aIEr2sE
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Apr 24, 2015 21:17
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Even if you don't count, he yells each heal about a new attack or after three, "NOW YOU SHALL SEE MY TRUE FORM!" Also his color/lighting indicates the phase, not overall damage. Especially nice because the small touches like sparks and blood leaking are lost in the action. Maybe make his glow/lighting a completely new color when he's invul/85% so he had a tell. Bright blue or gold or something. Maybe even make shots visibly bounce off? I'm not certain how you can effectively communicate visually, "Your shots aren't doing much right now." As for fighting him, I do find him fun enough when you get a team that knows what's up. He has set patterns and such and he CAN get you but smart play can leap from the jaws of death at the last harrowing second too. I still maintain he was balanced for levels 8-15 on normal. That seems to be the sweet spot of a 50-50 win rate.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:18
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Fina posted:I had this happen on Support once too.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:21
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I assume that the smoke grenades are supposed to be a signal to stop shooting him, but honestly there aren't many situations in this game that aren't solved by pouring lead into them so it might even take some sort of boss Stat sheet to communicate the phases
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Apr 24, 2015 21:25
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Peewi posted:So, with the medic's Enforcer skill, you can get more ammo from pickups than you can buy. This messes with the ammo prices in the shop. All the bonus health/armor/ammo perks seem to have similar issues. Sometimes they just don't work properly and you can't get the bonuses.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:31
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I think everyone is aware how hans works now and if you are playing with pubbies and don't tell them then you deserve what you get.
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Even if you don't count, he yells each heal about a new attack or after three, "NOW YOU SHALL SEE MY TRUE FORM!" Also his color/lighting indicates the phase, not overall damage. Especially nice because the small touches like sparks and blood leaking are lost in the action. A visible health bar somewhere would do it. Bosses are always problematic because it's hard to tell how much damage you're doing and bosses that also have multiple phases are even worse. A segmented health bar visible to everyone solves everything.
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Tripwire responded to the EULA silliness people were upset about. I think it's pretty well meaning response. But people are still complaining. Theta Zero fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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FirstPersonShitter posted:i think scrakes are extra mean at the moment cause we don't have sharpshooters or the crossbow so there's no great way to shut em down fast Right now the best way to deal with them is to have a zerk parry it then circle it endlessly while smashing it with your hammer, problem is the zerk needs both space and people to keep the trash of him, on hard or above its a generally a good idea to just kite them till its just the scrakes left, have the team draw agroo from them to space them apart then handle them one at a time. quote:Do you guys already have really high level perks unlocked? I can't imagine doing the higher difficulties presently with low perks. I've played the game 10 hours in the few days it's been out and my highest perk is Level 5. I don't know how people are getting up so high already in some of my games. Its calling having no life, I say this as a no life haver myself who's zerker is at 14 already and I'm probably going to try to hit 16 tonight. Really need to hop on the goon servers for some fun times. And yea the complaints over the EULA thing was just dumb, every single online game has poo poo like that seriously its not a hard concept to grasp, don't be an rear end in a top hat and your toys won't get taken away.
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Sadly, that is likely way too much text for the attention span of people who actually, seriously got up in arms over that. But good on them for trying. Joined my first public game yesterday, it had 3 people shouting human being and friend of the family over voice coms and we predictably got nuked on the boss. In related news i now wish the game had animation to burn your cash right in front of someone begging for it.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:51
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^^really? pubbies have been really cool so far. Been having some good suicidal games with them. People seem really willing to cooperate. DatonKallandor posted:A visible health bar somewhere would do it. Bosses are always problematic because it's hard to tell how much damage you're doing and bosses that also have multiple phases are even worse. A segmented health bar visible to everyone solves everything. You're not supposed to know health bars unless you're a commando. I'm not sure why people are trying to make the game easier when they are perk level 3.
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The only thing I've gotten aggravated about so far is when I'm doing an excellent job healing everyone on a Medic and I still got some random jerkoff over comms going "I NEED HEALS I NEED HEALS RIGHT NOW". First off, you want heals you don't need heals. Second off, you are getting heals, you don't need to ask for heals, and third you need to position and wave control better. Like I flawlessly healed two straight clean 7 wave boss killing games and in a third game I still had this same guy melting down about heals at least once every other round. Calm your tits only guy who's died at all. I've cleanly tanked multi-FP/scrake waves on Berserker without even getting heals and I wasn't stroking out my team over comms about it. And when I died I pretty much knew why every time (because I had made a mistake). Everyone blames heals, games never change.
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So if you're having an issue where the game crashes after the splash screen, try running it in windowed mode. Had that issue come up when I switched video cards last night. I'm not sure if anyone is keeping up with some of the issues and workarounds that have been posted, but if we could get them on the OP then that would be awesome. There seems just to be a few issues here and there right now.
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The most pubbietacular thing I've seen so far was having to tell somebody "Try pressing Q" after watching them run around on the opposite side of the map from Hans for a solid minute at half health. The smokebombs are a nice indicator IF you already know the gimmick, but it's easy to miss them if you are not looking right at him when he does it because they go away pretty fast. Admittedly I've been mostly reading about the game since I've only been playing in small doses at a time. I finally have level 5 support and commando whoo!  I've hit level 3 Medic, I love picking up the medic SMG at the end after I have the bullpup and SCAR (I'm not super pro enough to afford an AK, Scar, and SMG usually).All of my Deaths to hans so far have been, after many many times of breaking off to heal at 80 health just fine, suddenly going from 80 to dead in an instant from his guns. I've yet to die to his gas or grenades, but then I also play on normal like a baby. I suspect my liking of commando would change on higher difficulties that throw more scrakes and fleshpounds at you but I actually like commando this time around. I think the only thing keeping me from trying out medic proper is I prefer shooting things to ensuring people are topped up on health 24/7, as much as I whip out my SMG on the commando during hans to dart people.
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Ramsus posted:^^really? pubbies have been really cool so far. Been having some good suicidal games with them. People seem really willing to cooperate. But yeah i was mostly surprised because in the KF1 public games i remember seeing a lot less of that stereotypical crap.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:08
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ugh, final phase hans suicidal, so close!
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I have no idea why ~Goon Floor 2~ disappeared from the browser list but I'm reinstalling the server right now and fixing the settings, gonna throw it back on Hard 10 and hope it updates. edit: Yup, reinstall fixed it. It's up as a public server now, I think disabling player collision removed it from the official list lmao. Akumos fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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