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Mortabis posted:Excuse me the F-106 had the best air-to-air weapon ever devised. We're getting some mock bombs and Sidewinders to hang off our F-4, and I keep suggesting that we commission a Genie as well for the 106 but I don't think they're gonna go for it. 
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I came across a mockup missile labeled "Genie" at the Museum of Flying in Santa Monica today. Looked a little small to be carrying a nuclear weapon in the tip but I guess it did.
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Well they fit that physics package in an artillery shell so an air to air rocket should've been easy.
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hobbesmaster posted:Well they fit that physics package in an artillery shell so an unguided air to air rocket should've been easy. You forgot the best (and most gloriously Cold War) part of it all. Given the Soviets' similar hardon for insane solutions, I'm surprised I've yet to read anything about them trying the same. Plastic_Gargoyle fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Apr 27, 2015 |
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Apr 27, 2015 02:15
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Man I wish someone would refit a 102 or a 106 so they're flyable. They're my favorite Cold War fighters, lovely worthless Falcon missiles and all. Up until semi-recently the USAF was rolling with a fleet of drone full-scale targets that were Delta Darts (I think the last ones got expended in the late '90s) Unfortunately they shot them all down before the whole "let's paint a few of them up in 'Nam colors and fly them at airshows" thing started with the Phantom QF-4 fleet a little while back. Also yeah the Genie's physics package was the W25, it was about 2 feet long, a foot and a half in diameter, and weighted a little over 200 lbs. As long as you aren't trying to do anything crazy like boosted fission or a straight two-stage fusion weapon your physics package can be pretty small.
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Heres a random video dump of ones I took this week on a det. We did a lot of expeditionary refueling which in an of itself is the most boring poo poo ever but it means you get to hang around cool helicopters that don't have big fuel tanks like H-1's. Here's a video of one entering our pattern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1oJSwHdlR8 Here he is coming in for the pattern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLKySpsZRA0 I did a fly over of some podunk raceway in my home town. South Boston Speedway if anyone is interested in seeing how podunk it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqGXeG6ZkGg Cool thing is my parents got some video from the ground of it. My dads a huge aviation nerd so it was extra awesome for him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAYvZDGjIlI Bonus points, I had some photography marines in the back to snap a bunch of sweet photos.  
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Bob A Feet posted:Heres a random video dump of ones I took this week on a det. Neat videos. I saw Ospreys flying over the Norfolk/Portsmouth area once, and they were just weird to see actually flying. I met up with an old college friend tonight. He's an engineer with Lockheed and almost made me think that the F-35 is cool again. Almost.
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StandardVC10 posted:I came across a mockup missile labeled "Genie" at the Museum of Flying in Santa Monica today. Looked a little small to be carrying a nuclear weapon in the tip but I guess it did. The W48 was crammed into a 155mm shell, so make sense that they could stick a nuke in a rocket. I've heard ~rumors~ that it was possible to do crazy poo poo to get a nuke in a 105, but I've never gotten any hard evidence.
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LostCosmonaut posted:The W48 was crammed into a 155mm shell, so make sense that they could stick a nuke in a rocket. I've heard ~rumors~ that it was possible to do crazy poo poo to get a nuke in a 105, but I've never gotten any hard evidence. ACN-130 
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reddeathdrinker posted:
Great photos, but I will always love this one. A part of me wishes we could go back to air displays like it.
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LostCosmonaut posted:The W48 was crammed into a 155mm shell, so make sense that they could stick a nuke in a rocket. I've heard ~rumors~ that it was possible to do crazy poo poo to get a nuke in a 105, but I've never gotten any hard evidence. Davy Crockett? E: ignore me, a little shorter but much fatter simplefish fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Apr 27, 2015 |
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reddeathdrinker posted:Here's some of my dads photos... Would that be the one that's in the Solent Sky museum?
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Platystemon posted:
So does this mean the pilot can log both rotor and fixed wing PIC time?
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reddeathdrinker posted:I can go a bit better - I remember the Vulcan at the RAF Leuchars air display back in the early 80's when it was still in service... They fly it so gently now by comparison. Imagine a Vulcan pulling an F-16 style take-off and climbing turn at full thrunge. I blame him completely and utterly for me turning out such an aviation geek... Bear in mind these are all 80's, and scanned from film. In the late 70s, the Finningley display often included a 3-aircraft QRA scramble of the bases' vulcans, so you need to imagine your ballistic takeoff, and extrapolate it to 3 of them rumbling down the runway in formation and doing it.
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fordan posted:So does this mean the pilot can log both rotor and fixed wing PIC time? Do V-22 pilots?
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:You forgot the best (and most gloriously Cold War) part of it all. Given the Soviets' similar hardon for insane solutions, I'm surprised I've yet to read anything about them trying the same.
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phongn posted:The USSR did not have any nuclear AAMs (which apparently came as a huge surprise to the US after the Cold War). The Soviets had a stronger institutional fear of putting nuclear weapons in the hands of a single man.
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I see the thread has rolled around to the F-106/Genie chat. Obviously that means it's time to remind everyone about ADC Darts vs TAC Vipers
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Psion posted:I see the thread has rolled around to the F-106/Genie chat. Obviously that means it's time to remind everyone about ADC Darts vs TAC Vipers Heavy fighters rule supreme.
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inkjet_lakes posted:The Red Arrows Hawks were definitely combat capable up until the early-90's, when the aircraft would have had a point defence role if WW3 had kicked off, not sure when it was discontinued - there are plenty of pics of them flying with Sidewinders & gun pod mounted. Hopefully they'd have had chance to re-paint them before Ivan turned up.  Yep, I was wrong, entirely disagree on the repainting though- if you are gonna die, die stylish
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Psion posted:I see the thread has rolled around to the F-106/Genie chat. Obviously that means it's time to remind everyone about ADC Darts vs TAC Vipers I've read this so many times, but it never stops giving me an erection.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I've read this so many times, but it never stops giving me an erection. Same here, I love that fuckin' story. It's every bit as funny as, "Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground."
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Acebuckeye13 posted:We're getting some mock bombs and Sidewinders to hang off our F-4, and I keep suggesting that we commission a Genie as well for the 106 but I don't think they're gonna go for it. The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum has an F101 Voodoo loaded for Bear with a Genie. The tour guide didn't really mention it but it is blatantly obvious just from the look of it.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:You forgot the best (and most gloriously Cold War) part of it all. Given the Soviets' similar hardon for insane solutions, I'm surprised I've yet to read anything about them trying the same. They had tons of nuke SAMs, but despite having gigantic air-to-air missiles and unguided rockets, I've never heard of a nuke option there, either.
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Psion posted:I see the thread has rolled around to the F-106/Genie chat. Obviously that means it's time to remind everyone about ADC Darts vs TAC Vipers Can someone explain to me the finger over 2 rising moons thing to me? Awesome story!
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Lilbeefer posted:Can someone explain to me the finger over 2 rising moons thing to me? Awesome story! I'm pretty sure it meant that the Dart pilot and backseat guy were both mooning the F-16s while giving them the ol' one finger salute as well. In other words, completely hilarious. e; even if I'm wrong this is what I choose to believe they were doing
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Lilbeefer posted:Can someone explain to me the finger over 2 rising moons thing to me? Awesome story!  But with finger at their 6.
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Terrible Robot posted:I'm pretty sure it meant that the Dart pilot and backseat guy were both mooning the F-16s while giving them the ol' one finger salute as well. Awesome. The story led me to read up on the 106 on wikipedia and i saw this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornfield_Bomber Wikipedia posted:Shortly thereafter, the local sheriff arrived at the scene of the crash, and was surprised when he observed the aircraft – the heat of the crash landing, combined with the exhaust from the still-idling jet engine, melted the snow which allowed the aircraft to start to move. Having contacted the air base, he was informed that he should simply allow the jet to run out of fuel, which occurred an hour and forty-five minutes later without further incident. After ejecting due to a unrecoverable flat spin, the resulting shift in balance led to the plane's self-recovery. It landed gently in a snow covered cornfield, with idled power.
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Lilbeefer posted:Awesome. The story led me to read up on the 106 on wikipedia and i saw this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornfield_Bomber Aside from the obvious, my other favorite takeaway from that story is: B-b-b-b-b-but, it wasn't a bomber! And it wasn't a cornfield! 
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Lilbeefer posted:Can someone explain to me the finger over 2 rising moons thing to me? Awesome story! ever since top gun came out, aviators of every branch have tried to come up with a way to outgay the volleyball scene jabbing a middle finger upward between two asscheeks is the best thing theyve found yet
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I'm having trouble visualising the Barn Door manoeuvre. Does anyone have any links about that?
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Psion posted:I see the thread has rolled around to the F-106/Genie chat. Obviously that means it's time to remind everyone about ADC Darts vs TAC Vipers This is one of my favorite stories ever. And having gone back and read it it just gets better after the "Splash two, Genie" call simplefish posted:I'm having trouble visualising the Barn Door manoeuvre. Does anyone have any links about that? Watch Top Gun Seriously, it's basically that. Dude basically put the Dart in a high G turn and used some non-standard control inputs, "hit the brakes" metaphorically and aerodynamically speaking (the plane twisted in an abnormal fashion because he applied opposite rudder while in a high-G coordinated turn so he was basically presenting his entire delta planform to the airstream), and the F-16 flew right on by.
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The 'female student' is my neighbor, currently paralyzed from the waist down and still in the hospital in Honolulu: http://khon2.com/2015/04/15/pilot-in-hilo-plane-crash-was-instructing-students/ quote:A source familiar with the plane crash that occurred Tuesday at Hilo International Airport told KHON2 that the pilot was acting as a flight instructor and had two student pilots with him. It sounds like the engine filed on takeoff and the instructor tried to make a hard banking turn to get back to the runway.
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Augh. Don't go for the impossible turn. I hope she recovers use of her legs.
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Advent Horizon posted:The 'female student' is my neighbor, currently paralyzed from the waist down and still in the hospital in Honolulu: Don't try and do precisely that was one of the first things I learnt about taking off when I was taking lessons. That said, there may not have been anywhere available to land.
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From looking at Google Maps. assuming Runway 8 was being used. Runway 26 looks like it has a golf course and various parks as options as well as a presumably shallow water ditching option along or close to the extended centerline. With runway 8 it's trees until you get to the scrub around the VOR and it looks like it might have been trees or impossible turn.
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Stalling into tree branches is possibly preferable to spinning into the ground.
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hobbesmaster posted:Stalling into tree branches is possibly preferable to spinning into the ground. Right, but both sucky options and might inspire someone who should know better that "I think I have enough altitude...."
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regardless, you have the time and energy for one option with nearly zero time to consider all possible options. yeah a lot of it comes to good time critical thinking but a lot of it comes down to luck.
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