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A Winner is Jew posted:While technically true the military was effectively split several years before the CW started since Franklin Pierce appointed Jefferson Davis as his secretary of war and he used his time in office to move as much war material to the south as he could before things got kicked off. Plus the regular army was only about 17,000 strong and service in its the ranks was popularly viewed as about half a step more respectable than being a career criminal.* Not exactly a comparable example to the modern military. *this excludes commissioned officers, of course. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-governor-abbott-orders-national-guard-military-takeoverquote:Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday asked the State Guard to monitor a U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" amid Internet-fueled suspicions that the war simulation is really a hostile military takeover.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-governor-abbott-orders-national-guard-military-takeover Naturally, Alex Jones thinks this is a FALSE FLAG! quote:Is this statement meant to have citizens let their guard down, or is Gov. Abbott truly concerned about the Army’s mission?
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The NY MTA has had enough of Pamela Geller winning first-amendment lawsuits and banned political ads entirely from public transit.
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haveblue posted:The NY MTA has had enough of Pamela Geller winning first-amendment lawsuits and banned political ads entirely from public transit. That's good.
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NPR's Steve Inskeep would like us to know that unlike Ferguson, Baltimore is a friendly, non-racist city and he just can't figure out what happenedquote:This week's Baltimore riot could not have happened to a nicer city. quote:For one thing, the uprising did not bring a black populace into confrontation with an overwhelmingly white police force, as happened in Ferguson, Mo., last year. quote:Volunteers delivered sack lunches to children. The kids had lost their free lunches when the schools closed due to violence. I have no idea what the point of this story was other than to remind me that firing Bob Edwards was the first in a long chain of credibility-busting moves by NPR.
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http://www.vice.com/read/david-simon-talks-about-where-the-baltimore-police-went-wrong-429quote:How does race figure into this? It's a city with a black majority and now a black mayor and black police chief, a substantially black police force. So anyway, The Wire was great.
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Stultus Maximus posted:NPR's Steve Inskeep would like us to know that unlike Ferguson, Baltimore is a friendly, non-racist city and he just can't figure out what happened Steve Inskeep is a serial self-owner in the race to be ~reasonable~
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I mean seriously, the answer for "how could these things in Baltimore possibly be happening" is literally "watch the Wire, it's a good show and will answer all your questions regarding this matter"
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I will not countenance disrespect to Texas' state military. Pistols at dawn, Mr Jones.
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JT Jag posted:I mean seriously, the answer for "how could these things in Baltimore possibly be happening" is literally "watch the Wire, it's a good show and will answer all your questions regarding this matter" quote:The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was [former Mayor and Maryland Governor] Martin O'Malley . He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart. Everyone thinks I've got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over The Wire, whether it was bad for the city, whether we'd be filming it in Baltimore. But it's been years, and I mean, that's over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I'm going to end up voting for him. It's not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights. But to be honest, what happened under his watch as Baltimore's mayor was that he wanted to be governor. And at a certain point, with the crime rate high and with his promises of a reduced crime rate on the line, he put no faith in real policing. If given a choice between two devils to assfuck you dry, you can choose the one with the smaller cock. Of, you can start burning things. What I wonder is, how long can you keep up a system where no matter how you choose you end up with a bleeding rectum?
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JT Jag posted:I mean seriously, the answer for "how could these things in Baltimore possibly be happening" is literally "watch the Wire, it's a good show and will answer all your questions regarding this matter" Corollary being "you are not an expert on Baltimore because you watched the Wire" Not that the Wire is a bad show, sure it's a good start
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If you're going to consume one piece of media simon has created you should read the corner, no question whatsoever.
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Zeitgueist posted:Corollary being "you are not an expert on Baltimore because you watched the Wire" No one said that. The Wire is about Baltimore as much as Parks and Recreation is about their fictional town: a lot. The Wire is very realistic in comparison.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:No one said that. It came up in an earlier version of this thread (I think) where someone asserted The Wire was all you needed to understand Baltimore generally and Baltimore policing in particular, which is what I suspect ZG is tryin' to head off.
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Baltimore's ports are shutting down for one day to support the protesters. Union mandated.
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Zeitgueist posted:Corollary being "you are not an expert on Baltimore because you watched the Wire"
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:No one said that. Basically that. Lots of folks think that watching the wire gives them some deep insight I'm just posting that as a warning not accusing anyone.
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As long as we're quoting and discussing David Simon's take on the situation in Baltimore, I'll go ahead and add this to the pile. (I don't think this was already linked in this thread but apologies if I overlooked it)
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-governor-abbott-orders-national-guard-military-takeover I can't determine whether I'm amused that Texas is going gearing up for an imaginary war, or terrified that Texas has its own private army.
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Joementum posted:The House is currently voting on a resolution that allows it to pretend that a budget has been passed so that it can bring up appropriations bills. SirKibbles posted:The people who think that their AR-15 is going to stop a government overthrow seem to not understand modern combat hint: get anti air guns. It's so dumb if you legit thought that the 2nd amendment was your last line of defense and you already thought the government was tyrannical why spend more on the military.
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Has any news station, or the police, talked about gray beyond the fact that he died, such as how? (I kind of already know)
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Family Values posted:As long as we're quoting and discussing David Simon's take on the situation in Baltimore, I'll go ahead and add this to the pile. (I don't think this was already linked in this thread but apologies if I overlooked it) I just posted that. On this very page. Apology accepted.
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Stultus Maximus posted:NPR's Steve Inskeep would like us to know that unlike Ferguson, Baltimore is a friendly, non-racist city and he just can't figure out what happened I heard that this morning and it had the worst forced poignant closing line I've ever heard.
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SquadronROE posted:I can't determine whether I'm amused that Texas is going gearing up for an imaginary war, or terrified that Texas has its own private army. Did you read the article? Nothing you posted makes sense in the context of what is happening.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-governor-abbott-orders-national-guard-military-takeover gently caress i love dude's sign
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I too, love jesus and sideburns
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Good Citizen posted:gently caress i love dude's sign Woah I thought Parks and Recreation ended
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Last time I was in Baltimore they were offering "Slum tours" so we could get "the real Wire experience". It was the most offensively booj thing I've ever seen. What are we, British colonials?
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Good Citizen posted:gently caress i love dude's sign I don't even know what to think about my fellow Texans any more. Even if any of this exercise was questionable, why would anyone think the military would lump Texas together with California as "hostile". I mean if Texas is "hostile" that would make California the promised land.
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CommieGIR posted:Baltimore's ports are shutting down for one day to support the protesters. Union mandated. Port of Oakland too.
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People actually purchase and wear the "miss me" W clothing? That can't be real
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Also if the military was planning to take over Texas then I doubt attending a town hall holding a sign with 4 different slogans on it is going to make them withdraw. Maybe one extremely poignant slogan
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Zeitgueist posted:Basically that. The funny thing about pointing to the Wire as a means of understanding Baltimore's problems is the show was largely about the Sun and other media failing to do their job, but turns out what you need to know to understand the current situation in the city is in fact covered fairly succinctly by the Sun: http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/ quote:Those cases detail a frightful human toll. Officers have battered dozens of residents who suffered broken bones — jaws, noses, arms, legs, ankles — head trauma, organ failure, and even death, coming during questionable arrests. Some residents were beaten while handcuffed; others were thrown to the pavement.
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joeburz posted:People actually purchase and wear the "miss me" W clothing? That can't be real I forget who originally said this but it's pretty apt: modern conservatives are entirely unable to differentiate between policies that have failed and policies that they simply don't like.
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mlmp08 posted:Did you read the article? Nothing you posted makes sense in the context of what is happening. I did not, but now I have. The article just made me more confused. Is the State Guard there to make sure the Federal government doesn't accidentally shell a school? What's the point of calling the State Guard out? Nope, wait, I think I understand now. People are scared the government will take their stuff. State Guard will keep the government away from their stuff. turn it up TURN ME ON fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Harry Reid, Trollmaster-General: Game recognize game
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"I don't think I've ever seen an Hispanic panhandler."- Ted Cruz (his longstanding position)
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karlor posted:"I don't think I've ever seen an Hispanic panhandler."- Ted Cruz (his longstanding position) Canada isn't known for its large hispanic population, now are they?
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Good Citizen posted:Also if the military was planning to take over Texas then I doubt attending a town hall holding a sign with 4 different slogans on it is going to make them withdraw. Maybe one extremely poignant slogan It's how conspiracy theorists work. They posit that the next big news thing is REALLY a planned takeover of the government and martial law will be enacted, so they raise a huge fuss. When nothing of the sort happens (because, obviously, it was never what they thought it was), they pat themselves on the back for "defending freedom" as if they personally scared the government away from doing anything. That said, the whole "You can't beat the government because they have nukes and jets and tanks" deal is still kinda stupid because it ignores the general history of modern armed rebellions and assumes that the US government would be willing to just nuke small towns and that soldiers will indiscriminately blow up their own country when told to.
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