|
Yeah, she stays on and she's a very good caster, but it feels like after a while, magic users tend to suck in Suikoden 5. They start really powerful, wiping out entire encounters and bursting down bosses, but all of a sudden, you start recruiting these hard motherfuckers who crit for more than a fourth-level spell or dudes who hit more than once and it adds up to nearly a thousand damage. Skill for damage and crit and slap a Killer Rune on them and you suddenly have an inexhaustible source of extreme damage who's also kinda tanky plus maybe even M-range. Meanwhile, Zerase's damage doesn't scale very well, most endgame enemies can tank her high-level magic, and she's pretty junk once her MP runs out. This goes for all casters, of course. It's kind of a shame because they were good in the older Suikoden games where random encounters were always weak enough to make your mages feel useful. S5 eventually goes full five-digit HP mode and had enough foresight to rebalance fighters to compensate for this, but they forgot to beef up casters to match.
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 19:29
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 23:09 |
|
|
I replayed S5 recently, and Zerase was mostly one-shotting the endgame dungeon maps outside of the single large enemies pretty well. As far as the absolute best when everything is set-up right, Zerase isn't special. But for 99% of the game, she is a top 5 as far as low-maintenance/super high power. Doing better than her requires some killer rune set-ups with Miakis and stuff.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 19:33
|
|
|
The White Dragon posted:Meanwhile, Zerase's damage doesn't scale very well, most endgame enemies can tank her high-level magic, and she's pretty junk once her MP runs out. I mean, I saw Richard do a 4-hit combo with a critical and a double critical and that took about 3000 HP off a single enemy, but fighters are really slow against crowds.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 19:39
|
|
|
The White Dragon posted:Yeah, she stays on and she's a very good caster, but it feels like after a while, magic users tend to suck in Suikoden 5. They start really powerful, wiping out entire encounters and bursting down bosses, but all of a sudden, you start recruiting these hard motherfuckers who crit for more than a fourth-level spell or dudes who hit more than once and it adds up to nearly a thousand damage. Skill for damage and crit and slap a Killer Rune on them and you suddenly have an inexhaustible source of extreme damage who's also kinda tanky plus maybe even M-range. for most random encounters you can just use that formation that hits every enemy all at once to kill them with no effort
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 20:00
|
|
|
Ibram Gaunt posted:So how much agility should Dunban have to properly dodge tank around level 40? Alot of decent armor also seems to lower agility so I'm not sure exactly where to strike a good balance, he has 107 agility atm and like 350 phys defense. Ignore defense compromises, just go full agility. Give it a try then and if it doesn't work try it again later.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 20:12
|
|
|
any ps1/ps2/ps3 rpgs that let you build up and customize a house or palace ala animal crossing except with a rpg element. Also rpgs with fishing plz.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 20:27
|
|
|
i assume you're asking because of suikoden chat
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 20:28
|
|
|
madpanda posted:any ps1/ps2/ps3 rpgs that let you build up and customize a house or palace ala animal crossing except with a rpg element. rune factory frontier has a ps3 version
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 20:30
|
|
|
madpanda posted:Also rpgs with fishing plz.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 20:40
|
|
|
madpanda posted:Also rpgs with fishing plz.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 20:48
|
|
|
madpanda posted:any ps1/ps2/ps3 rpgs that let you build up and customize a house or palace ala animal crossing except with a rpg element. Sounds like you want Dark Cloud 2.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 22:44
|
|
|
corn in the bible posted:rune factory frontier has a ps3 version Yeah, Rune Factory is probably what you want (at least in terms of 'easily accessible.") Also it's currently on PSN sale if you're in the US.
|
|
#
?
May 2, 2015 22:48
|
|
|
Rune Factory Tides of Destiny is loving horrible don't get that one.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 00:33
|
|
|
Million Ghosts posted:Rune Factory Tides of Destiny is loving horrible don't get that one. Oh, is that the one on sale? My mistake.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 00:34
|
|
|
I'm not sure if it is or not, just a friendly warning so no one else gets swindled by that crap.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 00:36
|
|
|
Which characters work best with you controlling them rather than the AI in Xenoblade?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 00:45
|
|
|
Sakurazuka posted:Which characters work best with you controlling them rather than the AI in Xenoblade? Melia, Melia, Melia. The AI cannot play her well at all.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 00:48
|
|
|
I've never had Melia in a party where she wasn't my character as per the advice I've read, but I'm curious, what does the AI do with her that's wrong?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 00:50
|
|
|
madpanda posted:any ps1/ps2/ps3 rpgs that let you build up and customize a house or palace ala animal crossing except with a rpg element. If you ever get a 3DS put Fantasy Life on your list of games to get.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 01:15
|
|
|
Motto posted:I've never had Melia in a party where she wasn't my character as per the advice I've read, but I'm curious, what does the AI do with her that's wrong? Melia's summons by default act as buffs to the party. The AI likes to hold onto them. What's better is firing them off at the enemy for massive damage, then resummoning them and doing it again.  You can force the AI Melia to attack with them by giving the "Focus your attacks on this enemy" command, buy then she'll probably go back to buffing until you remind her.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 01:21
|
|
|
So Melia's the only one? I thought someone else doesn't use their skills properly either. Also, do I need to do any sort of set-up to bench Sharla or is surviving without dedicated healing easy? She desperately needs some way to actually do damage.
Sakurazuka fucked around with this message at 01:29 on May 3, 2015 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 01:27
|
|
|
Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Melia's summons by default act as buffs to the party. The AI likes to hold onto them. What's better is firing them off at the enemy for massive damage, then resummoning them and doing it again. Yeah, that's pretty bad. The best part about Melia is firing those as often as possible while trying to avoid drawing aggro, with her topple and status arts helping. It's also great that the way her summons work means that pretty much every time she's been in a chain attack I have somebody who can use a white art over and over. Sakurazuka posted:So Melia's the only one? I thought someone else doesn't use their skills properly either. Also, do I need to do any sort of set-up to bench Sharla or is surviving without healing easy? She desperately needs some way to actually do damage. You can get healing without Sharla by obtaining and linking the skills that recover HP after performing a Chain Attack (Shulk has it). Also, Shulk and Riki both have decent heal skills on them, with Riki's being an AOE that might catch other party members too. Motto fucked around with this message at 01:31 on May 3, 2015 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 01:28
|
|
|
Motto posted:I've never had Melia in a party where she wasn't my character as per the advice I've read, but I'm curious, what does the AI do with her that's wrong? Her AI just doesn't make use of her gimmick efficiently. You can do a ton of damage if you gem for lightning damage and stock three of her Lightning orbs and discharge them all at once, but her AI will just stack orbs randomly and be bad at discharging them. The AI also seems to love her Aqua orbs for their healing passive, but the healing is negligible. Dumb stuff like that.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 01:28
|
|
|
Sakurazuka posted:So Melia's the only one? I thought someone else doesn't use their skills properly either. Also, do I need to do any sort of set-up to bench Sharla or is surviving without dedicated healing easy? She desperately needs some way to actually do damage.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 01:38
|
|
|
I know there was some discussion that Pier Solar wasn't great with some tedious combat -- but is it worth the $6 it's on sale for on PSN right now?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 02:46
|
|
|
Mr. Glum posted:I know there was some discussion that Pier Solar wasn't great with some tedious combat -- but is it worth the $6 it's on sale for on PSN right now?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 02:49
|
|
|
Mr. Glum posted:I know there was some discussion that Pier Solar wasn't great with some tedious combat -- but is it worth the $6 it's on sale for on PSN right now? It isn't even worth $0 on a  site.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 02:49
|
|
|
Endorph posted:Just buy an actual old school JRPG. Like Tales of Eternia. Or Lunar. Those are on PSN.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 02:52
|
|
|
The ability to design a fun game and fondness for using a hollowed out sega genesis as a fleshlight are inversely proportional. Never play pier solar.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 02:57
|
|
|
Mr. Glum posted:I know there was some discussion that Pier Solar wasn't great with some tedious combat -- but is it worth the $6 it's on sale for on PSN right now? Do not get me started on that game. Unless you really want details, all I'll say for now is the only way it would ever be worth it is if the developers paid you to play it and even then the wage would have to incredibly generous. If you really want a retro-style modern JRPG, get Cthluhu Saves the World on Steam. It's only $3, comes with another (albeit incredibly mediocre) game, and goes down to a buck during the Steam Sales. Plus, the official site offers the soundtrack for free. I started replaying Super Mario RPG earlier today, after replacing the battery after learning how to in the Retro Games thread (It hadn't died, I just figured I'd take care of it now), and just beat Bowyer. Huh, some of the slapstick humor in this game is a little more... stupid than I remembered. Yeah, I know I said I was going to play Brave Fencer Musashi, but something about it wasn't grabbing me. It took me a while to get going with Xenogears too.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:00
|
|
|
Mr. Glum posted:I know there was some discussion that Pier Solar wasn't great with some tedious combat -- but is it worth the $6 it's on sale for on PSN right now? It's not just tedious combat. It's poor scripting, awful puzzles, and, in the HD version unless you turn it down to "pixelvision" settings (thus negating the HD period), a lot of jarring clashes of art styles make it really hard to figure out where you are even going or what is traversible terrain. I am not even joking when I tell you that this is a Genesis-style JRPG where you have a minimap so you can actually tell which parts of the screen can be walked on. I am 100% convinced that's why that is in the game.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:01
|
|
|
Codiekitty posted:Yeah, I know I said I was going to play Brave Fencer Musashi, but something about it wasn't grabbing me. It took me a while to get going with Xenogears too. Never say another even slightly negative thing about Brave Fencer Musashi.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:05
|
|
|
Wendell posted:Never say another even slightly negative thing about Brave Fencer Musashi. The only bad thing about Brave Fencer Musashi is that it allowed its sequel to exist.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:10
|
|
|
Boiling Point: Road to Hell is the greatest open world RPG and it's criminal no one is continuing this series.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:13
|
|
|
Mr. Glum posted:I know there was some discussion that Pier Solar wasn't great with some tedious combat -- but is it worth the $6 it's on sale for on PSN right now?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:17
|
|
|
Sakurazuka posted:Which characters work best with you controlling them rather than the AI in Xenoblade? Sharla is useless in any tough fight with her AI. Battles go from frustrating and impossible to easy just by taking control of her.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:19
|
|
|
Infinity Gaia posted:The only bad thing about Brave Fencer Musashi is that it allowed its sequel to exist. We don't talk about that here.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 03:21
|
|
|
Playing Tales of Symphonia and in the desert ruins. Are "Fakes" supposed to ruin me? I'm guessing physical attacks doesn't hurt them.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 04:00
|
|
|
It's immune to non-elemental attacks. Have Genis and Kratos spam spells, Raine healing, and Lloyd keeping it busy. That said you can cheese it - it's not necessarily immune to 'physical' attacks. If you have an elemental weapon, you can hit it just fine.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 04:04
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 23:09 |
|
|
Million Ghosts posted:We don't talk about that here. Is Samurai Legend that bad?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2015 04:06
|
|
