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Tender Bender posted:I don't think the gathering quests are that bad in this one but I will say it's a really dumb design choice to make you do a couple of those "kill these small monsters" quests to start, because the game and controls really aren't designed around fast small targets and it seems clunky as hell to newcomers. I remember thinking "gently caress this game what the hell" in Tri when I was trying to swat Jaggi with a greatsword as my introduction to the franchise. I don't mind that aspect, I just hate that the game seems to make finding those monsters near impossible during those missions.
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epitasis posted:anyone want to be my bravely default friend since I have none and it seems to kinda matter for this game? 2105 8771 2927
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May 3, 2015 05:27
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Detective No. 27 posted:I don't mind that aspect, I just hate that the game seems to make finding those monsters near impossible during those missions. Every monster has a more-or-less fixed starting position in each area that you can suss out (or look up). Then use paintballs to track them.
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May 3, 2015 05:44
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DoctorWhat posted:Every monster has a more-or-less fixed starting position in each area that you can suss out (or look up). Then use paintballs to track them. Also, if you find a big hot air balloon thing chilling out in the area, you can Wave at it from the Gestures menu and it'll pop up monsters on your map for a few seconds. Super handy!
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May 3, 2015 07:42
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raditts posted:I'm not really feeling the Puzzle and Dragon game from the demo, the puzzle mechanic is annoying as hell and doesn't seem to have any particular strategy to it. $30 is way too much to see if I'd like the actual game, maybe if they had them separately for $10-$15. I can understand not liking or understanding the gameplay of PAD at first but to suggest there is no strategy seems willfully ignorant at best. There is clear strategy present not only in forming as many combos as possible in each turn at the board but also in team formation and skill use. I do get the desire for the games to be available separately, though.
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Goon suggested Boxyboy awhile back. While I enjoy how simple it looks... the fact it only has like a single song and is just black and white just kinda hurts it in my opinion. I'm on world 12 and just sick of this song at this point and wondering why they couldn't at least put more effort into the music.
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:So to fight one insanely scripted monster I need to gather antlers and butterflies for 3 hours? No thanks monster hunter, back to GameStop. You should be friends with that guy in the PS4 thread who hates Bloodborne but liked The Order. Bad Gamer Friends. Shadow Ninja 64 posted:I can understand not liking or understanding the gameplay of PAD at first but to suggest there is no strategy seems willfully ignorant at best. There is clear strategy present not only in forming as many combos as possible in each turn at the board but also in team formation and skill use. I do get the desire for the games to be available separately, though. I'm the opposite of the person you quoted. I've never tried PAD before, but the demo got me interested, even with how short it was. Not interested in the phone game for some reason, but throw Mario characters in there and I'll spend $30 on it, sure!
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So I just found out what the gimmick is gonna be for Fire Emblem If and are you loving serious It locks your entire game to one campaign? Not even the save, if you buy it digitally it literally starts as SMT If then when you make the decision split it changes your copy to that campaign and you have to pay to try the other one. I hope the NA version has them realize they can't pull this poo poo especially with a series that barely sells outside of Japan except for one freak occurrence
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May 3, 2015 12:37
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You mean Fire Emblem if, right?
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:So I just found out what the gimmick is gonna be for Fire Emblem If and are you loving serious SMTxFE and the new Fire Emblem are not the same. Also was it confirmed its gonna work that way over here? I thought we were getting the version where it had both sides or something like that.
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May 3, 2015 12:43
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May 3, 2015 12:44
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Yeah in my head SMT and FE are mixed up these days  epitasis posted:i dunno what tf that guy is talking about The 2 campaigns in FE: If are actually 2 seperate games. You can only play one campaign unless you pay to play the other as well.
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May 3, 2015 12:47
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There's a third campaign that's paid DLC, too. No, we don't know how it's gonna work over here.
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May 3, 2015 12:51
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:There's a third campaign that's paid DLC, too. I thought the general consensus was that we're getting the GOTY-equivalent version with that already in the game or something?
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May 3, 2015 13:06
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People are speculating that the international release will contain both of the standard scenarios but Nintendo hasn't actually said anything either way.
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May 3, 2015 13:22
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Nintendo's really warmed up to DLC and IAP's, huh? Eh, if it works well good for them I reckon.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Yeah in my head SMT and FE are mixed up these days That's the way it is in Japan, and was actually brought up in the Japanese Direct about the game. In other regions, they didn't mention anything about the game being structured that way, which makes me think it'll be different outside Japan.
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May 3, 2015 14:45
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KingSlime posted:Nintendo's really warmed up to DLC and IAP's, huh? Eh, if it works well good for them I reckon. Nintendo has been slowly easing themselves into a more modern big video game corporate business model in the last year. It's actually working out well so far and they haven't done anything crazy yet. The advantage of getting in late is that they know what does and doesn't work and so there's not a lot of testing the waters involved.
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May 3, 2015 14:54
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Wait, I thought we knew that IF would be two separate games anyway. Seems like you'd just buy whatever version you wanted from the eShop, or buy the other one. I'm not sure why they'd do it that way if they're releasing cart versions. You can't do that on a cart at all.
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Bean posted:Wait, I thought we knew that IF would be two separate games anyway. Seems like you'd just buy whatever version you wanted from the eShop, or buy the other one. Yeah that's a quirk of the DL version. Gives you more time to think of what you want I guess.
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May 3, 2015 15:41
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Junkie Disease posted:Boring taint Mmmmmmmooodsssss
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Bean posted:Wait, I thought we knew that IF would be two separate games anyway. Seems like you'd just buy whatever version you wanted from the eShop, or buy the other one. The cart version is 2 different games. Fire emblem black and white basically. Good to hear they never mentioned any of that stuff in the other directs and explicitly mentioned it for Japan.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:So I just found out what the gimmick is gonna be for Fire Emblem If and are you loving serious like it's a weird business practice but it's not like you're getting screwed in terms of content.
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May 3, 2015 18:02
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Endorph posted:each campaign is as long as awakening was on its own So... we could sum it up like this then: You buy the game digitally, this gets you the first 5 chapters. You can play through these all you want: It's in order to decide which army you want to join/which version you want your FE if game to be. * Hoshido is similiar to Awakening with World Map and grinding potential and has the standard Rout and Kill Boss objectives. * Nohr is basically the classic Fire Emblem way: A linear progress with limited resources. Most chapters will also have secondary objectives in addition to the usual ones. Once you've made your choice, you turn the game into the version you want by downloading the rest of the content from that version. Since you've already paid for one version, you get to download the version you ultimately commited to for free. Because the content betwen the two versions differ make a difference in story, units, and gameplay, you essentially get to play the game you ultimately picked. You must get the other two campaigns as paid DLC: Each campaign you buy and download is basically one more game worth of content (gameplay, different story, yadda yadda) for you to try out, essentially meaning that you'll have a game with about thrice as much content in the end. So in the end, get the digital version if you want it digitally/are indecisive.
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May 3, 2015 19:32
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This is a horrible way to release a game.
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Volt Catfish posted:This is a horrible way to release a game. Maybe, but I've seen worse ways.
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Volt Catfish posted:This is a horrible way to release a game. Wasn't Awakening almost the last fire emblem game and it only continued because of the unexpectedly great sales? It seems really weird to me to try such an unusual release after your big hit.
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Andrast posted:Wasn't Awakening almost the last fire emblem game and it only continued because of the unexpectedly great sales? It seems really weird to me to try such an unusual release after your big hit.
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May 3, 2015 19:51
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I will have three Game of the Years in 2016, thank you Nintendo.
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Andrast posted:Wasn't Awakening almost the last fire emblem game and it only continued because of the unexpectedly great sales? It seems really weird to me to try such an unusual release after your big hit. As far as I know, Fire Emblem if came about because they wanted to take the "choice of Arran or Samson" to the extreme, rather than "trying to mix the best of all the previous Fire Emblem games in celebration of the franchise". So the whole reason Fire Emblem if exists is to see what happens when that choice becomes the deciding factor to how everything unfolds... which apparently resulted in two games based on what happens "if I picked that choice instead of the other choice". The bonus campaign apparently came about because the author who wrote for them thought "What if I don't want to pick a side. What happens then?", and then that sparked the idea for a third scenario.
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Volt Catfish posted:This is a horrible way to release a game. I think it's actually kind of clever, to just have all the campaigns as DLC with one of them being free when you buy the game. But I can tell this is the kind of thing that's going to bring back  ON DISC DLC for a new generation though.
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If both of the campaigns are actually similar in length to awakening, I won't be complaining at all. I'll just be happy to get twice the Fire Emblem.
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It CAN probably be done well. Most of the time it won't be done well though.
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This new Fire Emblem sounds a lot like it has the archaic SMT alignment system.
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Andrast posted:If both of the campaigns are actually similar in length to awakening, I won't be complaining at all. I'll just be happy to get twice the Fire Emblem. Since you make the choice 5 chapters in then that says there's about 30 chapters per route. Awakening had 26 main chapters and 17 paralogues before DLC. Since Hoshido has a world map it will probably have side battles and stuff too. It's a little bit shorter than Awakening but 30 chapters is about as long as most FE games pre-awakening were. FE7 had 35 maps or so, FE5 had 30ish, FE9 had exactly 30, so on and so forth. littleorv posted:This new Fire Emblem sounds a lot like it has the archaic SMT alignment system.
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Yeah, call me skeptical but I'm not really buying the "No you see it's like you're getting TWO/THREE game's worth of content!". At absolute best I see them offering 1.5x the content at essentially double the cost plus whatever they decide to charge for the DLC campaign. That said I really do hope the point is moot for the International release since this is one of my favorite game series and the last thing I want is for IntSys to pull a Suikoden and destroy the franchise with terrible development decisions.
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if they made 47 maps for awakening + like 30 more as DLC I can easily see them making 60 maps for Hoshido/Nohr and then another 25 for the third route as DLC. Like, the numbers work out.
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fount of knowledge posted:Yeah, call me skeptical but I'm not really buying the "No you see it's like you're getting TWO/THREE game's worth of content!". At absolute best I see them offering 1.5x the content at essentially double the cost plus whatever they decide to charge for the DLC campaign. So despite them detailing out how much content you're getting...you're not believing their math?
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:The 2 campaigns in FE: If are actually 2 seperate games. You can only play one campaign unless you pay to play the other as well. yeah no I know that's not really what you said at all though!!! anyway yeah not worried about it, mother nintendo has our best interests at heart which is why all that nonsense was locked away in the japanese direct
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Like 60 maps isn't that impossible to do especially considering the development team probably expanded after Awakening's success. If they were launching the third route at the same time I could see your point but there's a reason that's coming later.
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