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Aesis
Oct 9, 2012
Filthy J4G
I did notice that JP2 is better for higher tier game since you're going to be penetrated anyway so mobility is your best friend. tbh I never got why pubbies called it a bad tank compared to Ferdinand (well, pubbies).

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Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Aesis posted:

I did notice that JP2 is better for higher tier game since you're going to be penetrated anyway so mobility is your best friend. tbh I never got why pubbies called it a bad tank compared to Ferdinand (well, pubbies).

Because Hitler.

Seriously. Hitler.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
Wasn't the Ferdinand one of Hitler's :siren: WAR-WINNING SUPER-WEAPON :siren: ideas he was so fond of?

Aesis
Oct 9, 2012
Filthy J4G

Magres posted:

Wasn't the Ferdinand one of Hitler's :siren: WAR-WINNING SUPER-WEAPON :siren: ideas he was so fond of?
More like fat piece of elephant that broke down easily and required so much fuel.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

Magres posted:

Wasn't the Ferdinand one of Hitler's :siren: WAR-WINNING SUPER-WEAPON :siren: ideas he was so fond of?

If I have it right, Porsche was so confident in his proposal for the Tiger that he ordered like 200 hulls. When his design lost the competition they were converted into Ferdinands and Elefants. If it weren't so mechanically unreliable it could have been really successful, but the same can be said about most of the German tanks after the Panzer IV.

Not that it was a good design, it had no machine guns or other ways to deal with infantry, but thick armour and a big gun can count for a lot.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Slime TrainerS

Desuwa posted:

and I might skip the Sherman III (it's an M4 Sherman but slower and doesn't get the short 105mm).
Um, yes it does. I've got it on my Sherman III right now.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.

ROFLburger posted:

which one of you guys had that hilarious sixth sense icon with the guy with the bug eyes? I want it and i can't find it


e: this one


I dont see it in aslain mod pack
That was me. Or is me, I'm still using it. And I just checked, it's still there in Aslain's latest version. It's John Cleese.

maev
Dec 6, 2010
Economically illiterate Tory Boy Bollocks brain.
Keep away from children
I hate the WTE100, what an unfun piece of poo poo to play. Getting 3k damage feels worthless and getting 8k damage feels boring as poo poo. I genuinely enjoy killing them though.

:Edit: Wargaming released a sort of weird video to celebrate victory day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H4boOCeX54

Basically its that scene from Fury but with a noble Russian in it.

maev fucked around with this message at 11:25 on May 4, 2015

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Desuwa posted:

Not that it was a good design, it had no machine guns or other ways to deal with infantry, but thick armour and a big gun can count for a lot.

The Ferdinand had nothing, the Elefant was the name it got after getting an MG 34 added to the front right of the hull

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon
whats consensus on the t54 premium? ok+ or ok-?

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
I've heard that it's very strong in tier eight, okay in nine, and shabby in ten. Which is probably the best you could hope for considering it's a fat T-44. Haven't bought my own yet though so iunno.

In other news, if you didn't notice, there are missions for the Berlin tanks in-game, set to go active in three days.

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

I've heard that it's very strong in tier eight, okay in nine, and shabby in ten. Which is probably the best you could hope for considering it's a fat T-44. Haven't bought my own yet though so iunno.

In other news, if you didn't notice, there are missions for the Berlin tanks in-game, set to go active in three days.
Where do you see the missions? I'm not seeing them in NA.

edit: here's a video of the Cromwell Berlin, which is apparently an American Cromwell with an HD model. It looks pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZnkvK5AQDw

Uranium 235 fucked around with this message at 12:33 on May 4, 2015

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
EU missions panel.

I believe that's actually a British Cromwell, it's just that it is in the Berlin occupation colours. I'm fairly sure the red and white insignia is that of the 7th Armoured Division, the Desert Rats.

Christ almighty I want to punch the mush-mouthed cockney tit who keeps going on about 'the new fisics innit'.

Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 12:45 on May 4, 2015

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Can you post the mission details for those of us in NA? I am curious.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
7th-19th May.

Win, be in the top ten for experience earned.

Reward: 5x combat experience coefficient.

Cromwell Berlin, IS-2. 'Rudy'

DonkeyHotay
Jun 6, 2005

Aesis posted:

I did notice that JP2 is better for higher tier game since you're going to be penetrated anyway so mobility is your best friend. tbh I never got why pubbies called it a bad tank compared to Ferdinand (well, pubbies).

Ive literally never heard a pubbie say the Ferdinand is better, in fact the only person who has ever said they might be equal is probably me, mostly because the gun arc and bloom characteristics mean the ferdi can actually track moving targets.

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

7th-19th May.

Win, be in the top ten for experience earned.

Reward: 5x combat experience coefficient.

Cromwell Berlin, IS-2. 'Rudy'
Do you need to have the base tanks to do those missions? Or can you complete them with any tank? I am guessing the former. Isn't that how the Fury mission worked?

RanKizama
Apr 22, 2015

Shinobi Heart
Two Days. 141 Kills towards the TOG II.
Get it in.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Uranium 235 posted:

Do you need to have the base tanks to do those missions? Or can you complete them with any tank? I am guessing the former. Isn't that how the Fury mission worked?

Has to be done in the new tanks. Each of the three has its own version of the mission.

Zanziabar
Oct 31, 2010

quote:

Ferdinand hate

This is a bad opinion.



If you're going up against incompetent players ( 9 times out 10) then your ferdi will bounce poo poo it has absolutely no right to. Even against competent players, if you wiggle your front or get in a position to hide your hull shoulders you can absolutely wreck poo poo. Fully upgraded, I think it's the ideal speed for getting yourself into a good position and not over extending yourself which you're liable to do in a JP2. Hell, the ferdi even gets 5 more degrees of gun traverse than the JP2 and about a degree more gun depression.

I own both but the Ferdi will always be better in my books.

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth
i need help with the cromwell. my medium playstyle is heavily based around placing terrain between myself and the enemy so i dont get hit and the cromwell is just so loving huge and has nowhere on the tank where it can allow itself to get hit kinda safely. i do well with other fast mediums around those tiers like the shermans or the tier 5/6 panzers, covenanter shooting tons of gold is my best tank i think because its super tiny so you can go into a ditch to become invulnerable. i do fine with every other fast medium around those tiers expect the cromwell which i just have way to many potato rounds on.

PZ4 before they added the shields and shafted the insane acceleration was my spirit animal (75 not derp). I just want a tank plays the same way where you have the ability to cover up your tank well and amazing acceleration + above average soft stats. the shermans are just so tall profile wise that you are restricted to mostly hulldown stuff.

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth
on the pz4 i could take up absurdly aggresive positions because repositioning to somewhere safe was just so easy due to having amazing acceleration paired with a profile that made it very hard to hit behind minimal amounts of cover

maev
Dec 6, 2010
Economically illiterate Tory Boy Bollocks brain.
Keep away from children

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

7th-19th May.

Win, be in the top ten for experience earned.

Reward: 5x combat experience coefficient.

Cromwell Berlin, IS-2. 'Rudy'

Do we have details on how many times you have to win or other conditions?

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Not that I could see, although there was something that seemed to indicate you had to have done your daily double already.

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

7th-19th May.

Win, be in the top ten for experience earned.

Reward: 5x combat experience coefficient.

Cromwell Berlin, IS-2. 'Rudy'
Okay, so at first I thought you were saying the Cromwell B, Rudy, and Soviet IS-2 would be the rewards of those missions (in addition to 5x experience), but now I'm pretty sure that isn't true. I think you have to be in those tanks to complete those missions, and your reward is 5x experience in those tanks. Right?

If those were the rewards, it would say "Reward: Cromwell B".

According to rita status report, those tanks are on sale on the RU server, so it sounds like they'll be for sale, with in-game missions available if you buy the tanks.

So, it sounds like you buy one of those tanks, get the double, then every match after that you can get 5x experience if you win and are in top 10 on your team.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Uranium 235 posted:

So, it sounds like you buy one of those tanks, get the double, then every match after that you can get 5x experience if you win and are in top 10 on your team.

Yeah that's it exactly. Sorry if I wasn't very clear, I'm little sleep deprived at the minute.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

Itzena posted:

Um, yes it does. I've got it on my Sherman III right now.

Wow I don't even know what I'm doing anymore. In my defense it's still a really lovely knockoff wannabe M4.

Type T-34 was a much better knockoff, wasn't slow as hell.

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

Yeah that's it exactly. Sorry if I wasn't very clear, I'm little sleep deprived at the minute.
Me too. I misread your original post thinking that it meant those were mission reward tanks, but I couldn't figure out why the mission would be so easy. It makes a lot more sense now, knowing that you have to buy those tanks to be able to complete the easy missions.

DonkeyHotay
Jun 6, 2005

I shot t-34-3 HE through the side of a Cromwell for 600 damage yesterday. Literally always shoot he.

(the same round a kv-2 derped me for over 1k)

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend
Is there any benefit whatsoever to the upgraded M8A1 turret (The T87 turret)?

I'm not doing well at all in this tank. My crew isn't fully trained up yet. So, despite the fact that I stuck a camo net on it, I feel like I get spotted and destroyed on the front end of pretty much every match.

I figured the American turreted TD line would be good for someone with zero experience in TDs, but I believe I'm still driving the M8A1 very much like a light or medium tank, and I'm getting obliterated in one or two shots. How do you play this thing effectively?

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

M.C. McMic posted:

Is there any benefit whatsoever to the upgraded M8A1 turret (The T87 turret)?

I'm not doing well at all in this tank. My crew isn't fully trained up yet. So, despite the fact that I stuck a camo net on it, I feel like I get spotted and destroyed on the front end of pretty much every match.

I figured the American turreted TD line would be good for someone with zero experience in TDs, but I believe I'm still driving the M8A1 very much like a light or medium tank, and I'm getting obliterated in one or two shots. How do you play this thing effectively?

I dunno about the specifics of that turret and tank, but turrets usually give boosts to view range, hp, armor, turret traverse, rate of fire, and gun handling. Not all turrets give all of these bonuses, and sometimes one or more of these categories will actually get worse. But upgraded turrets are virtually always worth it.

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend

Uranium 235 posted:

I dunno about the specifics of that turret and tank, but turrets usually give boosts to view range, hp, armor, turret traverse, rate of fire, and gun handling. Not all turrets give all of these bonuses, and sometimes one or more of these categories will actually get worse. But upgraded turrets are virtually always worth it.

Looking at the stats (http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:M8A1), it appears there's no benefit. I went ahead and upgraded the turret anyway, and then I realized I probably should have upgraded the radio first (750 signal range vs 420). Oh well.

I can't wait to get out of this TD, though. I get the feeling that it may actually be competent in the right hands, but I am absolutely terrible in it. I'm used to playing Russian heavies and mediums primarily. So, being stealthy and/or going unnoticed is not a skill I've mastered.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

So compared to all the other tier 8 lights what is the WZ-132's thing? It seems pretty much worse in everything except for the really really amazing track traverse. I guess you are supposed to circle KV-4's and T34s to death?

WayAbvPar
Mar 11, 2009

Ah- Smug Mode.

Doesn't have super high camo or something? I can't remember.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

An interesting observation of trolling in-game chat with politics:

When trolling in support of Obama, people chastise him for being a socialist, etc.

When trolling in support of Hillary, people chastise her for being a bitch, etc.

When trolling in support of Dubya, people chastise him for starting the Iraq war.

When trolling in support of Sanders, nothing.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

BadLlama posted:

So compared to all the other tier 8 lights what is the WZ-132's thing? It seems pretty much worse in everything except for the really really amazing track traverse. I guess you are supposed to circle KV-4's and T34s to death?

It used to be "the other tier eight light" when it was just it and the 1390. Now it is just worthless compared to the RU251 and (from what I've heard) T54 Light.

Its actual advantage is that it isn't the T-34-2, so if you want a WZ-120 have fun playing a bad tank.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

WayAbvPar posted:

Doesn't have super high camo or something? I can't remember.

It's high but among the tier 8 Lts its right in the middle of the camo value range.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Oops.



This patch is a gem.

Daler Mehndi
Apr 10, 2005

Tunak Tunak Tun!

M.C. McMic posted:

Looking at the stats (http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:M8A1), it appears there's no benefit. I went ahead and upgraded the turret anyway, and then I realized I probably should have upgraded the radio first (750 signal range vs 420). Oh well.

I can't wait to get out of this TD, though. I get the feeling that it may actually be competent in the right hands, but I am absolutely terrible in it. I'm used to playing Russian heavies and mediums primarily. So, being stealthy and/or going unnoticed is not a skill I've mastered.

I think the second turret gives you 15 extra hit points.

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Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

M.C. McMic posted:

Looking at the stats (http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:M8A1), it appears there's no benefit. I went ahead and upgraded the turret anyway, and then I realized I probably should have upgraded the radio first (750 signal range vs 420). Oh well.

I can't wait to get out of this TD, though. I get the feeling that it may actually be competent in the right hands, but I am absolutely terrible in it. I'm used to playing Russian heavies and mediums primarily. So, being stealthy and/or going unnoticed is not a skill I've mastered.
It gives 15 hp and decreases the aim time from 1.9 to 1.7 seconds. It probably improves other gun handling stats (like bloom when turning the turret), but I'm not sure about that.

http://tank-compare.com/en/compare/m8a1/m8a1#T1=62I35I4I77I112&T2=63I35I4I77I112

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