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Did somebody say they weren't putting Xen in the final release? Is that true?
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May 5, 2015 15:42
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Pay version is out in Early Access. $20. Still no Xen yet.
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May 5, 2015 15:49
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PINING 4 PORKINS posted:Did somebody say they weren't putting Xen in the final release? Is that true? Ever since they announced a final paid release, they started talking about how the mod version would not include Xen whereas the paid version would cover the entirety of HL1.
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May 5, 2015 15:49
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Where's a good place to start learning to make Doom mods/maps?
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May 5, 2015 15:52
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I still don't get why Xen is so hated. It's really cool. 
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May 5, 2015 15:52
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The Kins posted:Still no Xen yet. Ha.  Geight posted:I still don't get why Xen is so hated. It's really cool. First-person precision platforming with very confusing level design that amplifies the inherent disadvantages of platforming in first person, and wacky physics that aren't like what you're used to from the last eight hours, and a stupid trick jumping gimmick you don't really get a chance to get used to.
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May 5, 2015 16:01
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I guess my disconnect is I never understood why first-person platforming is supposed to be hard. People have even started making games based around it these days!
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May 5, 2015 16:17
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Geight posted:I still don't get why Xen is so hated. It's really cool. A couple of reasons. It's a sudden departure in the kind of movement, navigation, and puzzle-solving you've been taught so far in the game, and there is no real teaching session to deal with these new designs. At the very tail end of the game, you are told about a new movement technique and given a wholly unsuited place to practice in (unless you remember the tutorial from three days earlier, if you even played it) — your next use is a matter of life or It is very unguided and poorly signalled. So far, the game has been very linear and has provided (or at least taught) a set of clear signals for where to go and how to progress. These are now completely replaced, again without teaching the new rules, by seemingly open tracts that are actually just as linear as before but you have to know the new navigation rules to see that line. It's also a sharp and sudden increase in difficulty, because now everything takes place on precarious ledges over insta-death voids. These certainly existed before, but were short, clearly defined, and with an obvious solution — not an entire environment. You've previously had combat sections where you had room to manoeuvre and/or places to duck and weave and hide. A lot of that is suddenly gone, and if you do it wrong, it's a long fall into the void for you. Not only does it take place in a never-ending platform section (capitalising on the worst part of the game), it also relies on the most uninteresting bullet-sponge enemies to make combat particularly dull. It comes out of loving nowhere. The rest of the game has had a good sense of progression from one area to the next, and suddenly, you are on a floating platform in a void?! Sure, the scientists have been mumbling about teleportation and border worlds if you've been paying attention, but it could have been teased better and used a transition area where all the above changes are taught. For an alien world, it also manages to somehow be visually bland and uninteresting. Ok, so it isn't the same old laboratory corridor any more — instead, it's endlessly repeated stone textures with little to no use of lighting to create a dynamic look and without much in the way of decoration to break up the monotony.
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May 5, 2015 16:20
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Geight posted:I guess my disconnect is I never understood why first-person platforming is supposed to be hard. People have even started making games based around it these days! Because it makes you do precision jumping/movement without giving you the situational awareness you get from a third person view. It's a non-issue if you design your levels with it in mind, which wasn't really the case with Xen. There's also a huge difference between something like Mirror's Edge (where the "platforming" is very forgiving) and stuff like Xen's jumping puzzles.
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May 5, 2015 16:21
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nexus6 posted:Where's a good place to start learning to make Doom mods/maps? Well if you want to do it like the pros, you can now get a VMWare virtual machine image with the original DoomEd editor fully set up: http://www.mediafire.com/download/vao946mgi19s3o3/NextStep_3.3_with_DoomEd.7z And you can mess around with the level files from it, in "dwd" format from here http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/romerofiles/doom-maps.zip And the textures to go with in http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/romerofiles/doom-textures.zip All thanks to John Romero dropping them on like 2 weeks ago.
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May 5, 2015 16:46
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Because it makes you do precision jumping/movement without giving you the situational awareness you get from a third person view. It's a non-issue if you design your levels with it in mind, which wasn't really the case with Xen. There's also a huge difference between something like Mirror's Edge (where the "platforming" is very forgiving) and stuff like Xen's jumping puzzles. First-person games that are considered to have "good" platforming also tend to have floaty physics and a ton of air control, neither of which are present in HL.
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May 5, 2015 16:56
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haveblue posted:First-person games that are considered to have "good" platforming also tend to have floaty physics and a ton of air control, neither of which are present in HL. I still have trouble sometimes with the crate jumping puzzle near the start of the game 
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May 5, 2015 16:57
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Elliotw2 posted:I thought he said he was doing all three versions? nexus6 posted:Where's a good place to start learning to make Doom mods/maps?
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May 5, 2015 17:15
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The jumping puzzles were pretty terribly signposted too. I died a bunch in that section because I was dumb and kept jumping to the wrong poo poo and taking hella falling damage. iirc there was also some mandatory fall damage at points, and mandatory damage is like the stupidest thing ever in games.
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May 5, 2015 18:13
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The Kins posted:Pay version is out in Early Access. $20. Still no Xen yet. Boy howdy, it sure would be great if these mods that are based off of cross-platform games were, themselves, cross-platform (Goldeneye: Source!  )
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May 5, 2015 18:33
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Boy howdy, it sure would be great if these mods that are based off of cross-platform games were, themselves, cross-platform (Goldeneye: Source! Speaking as someone who has been involved in porting a Source mod to Linux, the amount of work required is huge and a huge pain. 
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May 5, 2015 19:12
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On a Half-Life-related tangent (that doesn't really qualify as "early FPS" by any stretch of the imagination but I don't really care), this Half-Life 2: Episode Two speedrun is incredible. (Script-assisted, tho.) Shadow Hog fucked around with this message at 19:43 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 19:21
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The Kins posted:Pay version is out in Early Access. $20. Still no Xen yet. Huh. Well, having already played the free version there's not really much of a reason to pay for this one until they put Xen in. After 3 years I expected to see them put it in the next release but I guess they were busy doing other stuff.
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May 5, 2015 19:24
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Boy howdy, it sure would be great if these mods that are based off of cross-platform games were, themselves, cross-platform (Goldeneye: Source! Wow, people still play GoldenEye? Thought it was dead. Unrelated, but has anyone with a win7 machine had any trouble getting Tron 2.0 to play? I installed my old copy, but as soon as the intro movie plays the drat thing locks up no matter what compatibility/administrator settings I have on. Honestly I'm not even sure what the problem is because I have other q3 engine games running just fine. E: also Al Cu Ad Solte posted:http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47801&start=360 Haven't finished but this was fun from what I played of it. There's another mod linked in that thread of a mood that replaces doom enemies with Nazis that's pretty cool too. site fucked around with this message at 19:47 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 19:30
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nexus6 posted:Where's a good place to start learning to make Doom mods/maps?
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May 5, 2015 19:31
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site posted:Unrelated, but has anyone with a win7 machine had any trouble getting Tron 2.0 to play? I installed my old copy, but as soon as the intro movie plays the drat thing locks up no matter what compatibility/administrator settings I have on. Honestly I'm not even sure what the problem is because I have other q3 engine games running just fine. From googling around a bit there appears to be a fan patch floating out there that will add widescreen support and presumably work on modern machines.
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May 5, 2015 19:34
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Boy howdy, it sure would be great if these mods that are based off of cross-platform games were, themselves, cross-platform (Goldeneye: Source!
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May 5, 2015 19:35
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david_a posted:It's Lithtech son You're right, my bad. I have tried with and without the patch, which is part of why I thought it might be a win7 issue. Maybe it just isn't meant to be :/
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May 5, 2015 19:44
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The Kins posted:Isn't like every fifth post you make in this thread about how OSX can't do X? Everyone knows Macs can't play games. 
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May 5, 2015 20:04
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The Kins posted:Isn't like every fifth post you make in this thread about how OSX can't do X? Is it?  Sorry if that's the case. To be fair, a lot of my questions are regarding "How do I play X on a mac?" when I know that it's possible. I completely get how there are some games just not ported to OS X; it bugs me how a game like Half-Life, which is platform agnostic, has no mods that are.
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May 5, 2015 20:08
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Is it? If it makes you feel any better, I have a Mac and answers to your questions help me out too 
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May 5, 2015 20:22
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Boy howdy, it sure would be great if these mods that are based off of cross-platform games were, themselves, cross-platform (Goldeneye: Source! Speaking of GE:Source, I'm still incredibly sad they got the movement speed/feel totally wrong. I'd kill for a good HD rerelease of both GoldenEye and Perfect Dark on PC, but they're in the same hellhole as Halo (i.e. MS-owned).
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May 5, 2015 20:28
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Speaking of GE:Source, I'm still incredibly sad they got the movement speed/feel totally wrong. I'd kill for a good HD rerelease of both GoldenEye and Perfect Dark on PC, but they're in the same hellhole as Halo (i.e. MS-owned). There was a complete plan to go for a Goldeneye HD rerelease but Nintendo refused to accept the bags of free money for agreeing to let Rare and Microsoft release. They'd already gotten EA or Activision or whichever huge video game company it was that held the necessary James Bond video game license on board to allow it to be released too.
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May 5, 2015 20:40
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Xen was genius because Valve was commited to the idea of creating an alien world that was not built with navigation for humans in mind - it was a confusing labyrinth that was a nightmarish tangle of long distance jumps and weird architecture, but it worked because of that. It pulled the rug out from under your feet and it was great because it was nothing like the rest of the game. If you want games to follow a set list of game design rules that's fine but that's also a very boring and safe experience. I liked the section, and the build up to the Nihilianth was still very eerie. I can see why the Citadel was fairly dry in comparison to Xen, I can't blame them for doing it I guess. Xen only works with the long jump and the jumping puzzles, because Blue Shift's trip through Xen was terribly boring and mundane by comparison. The level design is solid but the game itself is just fairly dull and mundane, and the trip to Xen, which was a huge reveal in the original game, was treated as if you were going to the shop to buy some loving toilet roll. Opposing Force has a lot of neat ideas but the campaign is actually really disjointed and seems to just be a string of cool cutscenes stitched together (HL's design in comparison still had solid progression, and levels felt like actual areas instead of passing through them so quickly you don't have any time to really settle in) Jblade fucked around with this message at 22:11 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 22:08
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Jblade posted:Xen was genius because Valve was commited to the idea of creating an alien world that was not built with navigation for humans in mind - it was a confusing labyrinth that was a nightmarish tangle of long distance jumps and weird architecture, but it worked because of that. It pulled the rug out from under your feet and it was great because it was nothing like the rest of the game. If you want games to follow a set list of game design rules that's fine but that's also a very boring and safe experience. I liked the section, and the build up to the Nihilianth was still very eerie. I can see why the Citadel was fairly dry in comparison to Xen, I can't blame them for doing it I guess. I liked Xen, too. It was this strange, disjointed world basking in the glow of giant, colorful...bacterium? And it was filled with all sorts of weird squawking noises and flora, like the "shy" plants that illuminated areas until you approached them, and the bulbous, fleshy, tentacled things that attacked you if you got too close. There were only vague notions of familiar things (like the alien "factory") but, for the most part, it was sufficiently alien. I don't remember having much trouble with the maps, either, so I guess that helped color my memories of the place.
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May 5, 2015 22:28
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Xen is therefore a perfect example of ludonarrative resonance!
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May 5, 2015 22:50
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Nintendo Kid posted:There was a complete plan to go for a Goldeneye HD rerelease but Nintendo refused to accept the bags of free money for agreeing to let Rare and Microsoft release. They'd already gotten EA or Activision or whichever huge video game company it was that held the necessary James Bond video game license on board to allow it to be released too. I would like to point out that Perfect Dark for XBLA is a fantastic port.
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May 5, 2015 23:33
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I would like to point out that Perfect Dark for XBLA is a fantastic port. ...that we never got on PC. The new weapon pickup animations in Black Mesa are lovely, incidentally. The hornet gun one is hilarious.
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May 5, 2015 23:47
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Just a heads up in case anyone cares that Strife Veteran Edition (and other games obviously) is in this bundle and is so far the cheapest it was since the release on Steam/Humble. http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/killer-bundle-3/ Nokiaman fucked around with this message at 00:10 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 00:04
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they're making a demonsteele anime
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May 6, 2015 00:14
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 where do I find the subs, you know I can't watch anime without subs
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May 6, 2015 00:16
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Nokiaman posted:Just a heads up in case anyone cares that Strife Veteran Edition (and other games obviously) is in this bundle and is so far the cheapest it was since the release on Steam/Humble. hot drat
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May 6, 2015 00:24
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Nokiaman posted:Just a heads up in case anyone cares that Strife Veteran Edition (and other games obviously) is in this bundle and is so far the cheapest it was since the release on Steam/Humble. drat, thanks for the heads-up. I've actually wanted Strife and Super Motherload for a while so this is an even better deal.
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May 6, 2015 00:59
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Bouchacha posted:Xen is therefore a perfect example of ludonarrative resonance! The ludonarrative resonance cascade.
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I have probably the noobiest question about Doom mods, but if I don't ask I won't learn so: how do you use multiple mods at once? Like, can you use Doom Expanded with Scythe? The beginner's guide I read for GZDoom basically ended at "drag the wad over the .exe" but I've seen a bunch of posts along the lines of "Brutal Doom wrecks the balance of X level pack" and presumably you don't just drag both files onto the .exe at once. So what's deal, help a contard out.
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