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Geriatric Pirate posted:it's not a strawman, people in this thread actually argued that welfare benefits are a subsidy to walmart because the government helps feed their workers If it's not a strawman then go quote the person who said that free education is an unfair subsidy for corporations. Go find that post and bring it here
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wateroverfire posted:I'm kind of slightly left of center bro. I think we've all learned something valuable about you from your post. I like how you attempt to self identify as something that could not possibly be further away from your supported policies because you are ashamed of the truth and possibly not being accepted as a cool kid on the internet. This also explains your need to pretend to have a higher income than anyone else.
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May 6, 2015 19:34
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wateroverfire posted:I became numerate and tbh have found that much more useful. oh word?
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archangelwar posted:I like how you attempt to self identify as something that could not possibly be further away from your supported policies because you are ashamed of the truth and possibly not being accepted as a cool kid on the internet. Once again, a post that is actually a mirror.
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May 6, 2015 19:35
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh word? srs dog.
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archangelwar posted:I like how you attempt to self identify as something that could not possibly be further away from your supported policies because you are ashamed of the truth and possibly not being accepted as a cool kid on the internet. This also explains your need to pretend to have a higher income than anyone else. Maybe he's actually French.
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May 6, 2015 19:35
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wateroverfire posted:LOL yeah when you look at the numbers no it isn't. Chile use a different set of time standards then?
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May 6, 2015 19:35
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QuarkJets posted:If it's not a strawman then go quote the person who said that free education is an unfair subsidy for corporations. Go find that post and bring it here Ensuring WalMart can pay low wages is just as socially necessary as an educated workforce. There, now I said it.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Chile use a different set of time standards then? We're GMT-3 right now.
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May 6, 2015 19:36
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twodot posted:Right, and I explained that basic education skills are something that is transferable so why should we expect the first company that happens to hire them to pay that cost up front? I'm not the one that actually agrees with it (or with food stamps being an unfair subsidy to walmart), so I can't tell you how the minds of left wingers here work Seems a bit strange to say something is not a subsidy because you can't accurately charge that subsidy to any specific company though. All companies that hire the guy benefit from his skills, so they all benefit from something tax payers have done.
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May 6, 2015 19:36
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wateroverfire posted:Once again, a post that is actually a mirror. I'm like rubber and you're like glue - a real post by wateroverfire
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May 6, 2015 19:36
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hey point of order why are a scandinavian and a chilean so concerned about american minimum wage.
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May 6, 2015 19:37
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paranoid randroid posted:hey point of order why are a scandinavian and a chilean so concerned about american minimum wage. a threat to job creators somewhere is a threat to job creators EVERYWHERE
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May 6, 2015 19:37
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are ya'll part of the same Dumbfuck Foreign Exchange that keeps getting Niall Ferguson and Nigel Farage speaking gigs over here
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May 6, 2015 19:37
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:a threat to job creators somewhere is a threat to job creators EVERYWHERE Must ensure a lower class exists to look down upon, how else could I look at myself in the mirror?
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May 6, 2015 19:38
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archangelwar posted:I'm like rubber and you're like glue - a real post by wateroverfire The post modern idea that commentary says more about the commentor than the subject is candy to super-duper senior cultural studies majors, I thought.
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May 6, 2015 19:38
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Geriatric Pirate posted:I'm not the one that actually agrees with it (or with food stamps being an unfair subsidy to walmart), so I can't tell you how the minds of left wingers here work edit: Earlier you were saying it's unfair, but it's not unfair to anyone to give people transferable job skills for free.
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May 6, 2015 19:40
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archangelwar posted:Must ensure a lower class exists to look down upon, how else could I look at myself in the mirror? im pretty sure that just by looking at the average chilean, or south american in general, he'd see someone who gets by on less money than an american living below the poverty line
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May 6, 2015 19:41
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paranoid randroid posted:are ya'll part of the same Dumbfuck Foreign Exchange that keeps getting Niall Ferguson and Nigel Farage speaking gigs over here niall ferguson is a fellow at the hoover institution (lol)
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Badger of Basra posted:niall ferguson is a fellow at the hoover institution (lol) i have to work in the hoover archives for a polish resistance fighter's writings, i hope i don't get bombarded with lolbertarian "think tank" crap when i go there
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May 6, 2015 19:42
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Geriatric Pirate posted:im pretty sure that just by looking at the average chilean, or south american in general, he'd see someone who gets by on less money than an american living below the poverty line Most people here net less than 500.000 pesos per month. About $800 depending on the exchange rate.
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May 6, 2015 19:44
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wateroverfire posted:We're GMT-3 right now. My bad, had a brain fart.
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May 6, 2015 19:45
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wateroverfire posted:This seems like Citation Needed if ever the phrase applied. Government funding of higher education pays for itself 7.5 times over Here are some more sources that reinforce this idea: https://www.bostonfed.org/commdev/c&b/2008/spring/Trostel_invest_in_higher_ed.pdf http://www.nytimes.com/ref/college/collegespecial2/coll_aascu_povcohen.html http://www.wiscape.wisc.edu/docs/wiscapedocuments/wp006.pdf?sfvrsn=2
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is this the thread where we pretend to care about the global poor so we can complain about liberals
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May 6, 2015 19:50
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Geriatric Pirate posted:im pretty sure that just by looking at the average chilean, or south american in general, he'd see someone who gets by on less money than an american living below the poverty line please help im a complete moron who doesnt understand what cost of living is
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Popular Thug Drink posted:is this the thread where we pretend to care about the global poor so we can complain about liberals This is the thread where we talk about known leftist ideals such as: Capitalism Privatization Reducing labor protection Inconveniencing poors
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this might not be exactly what you were looking for but have you considered The Joint Dictatorship of the Proletariat of Exploited Nations, by Shubel R. R. Morgan
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paranoid randroid posted:this might not be exactly what you were looking for but have you considered The Joint Dictatorship of the Proletariat of Exploited Nations, by Shubel R. R. Morgan Don't see how effective it can be if it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker
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QuarkJets posted:Government funding of higher education pays for itself 7.5 times over That result is muuuuuch less robust than Trostel is claiming and the other sources are just as bad. As Trostel himself notes, but tries to dismiss, many students attend school with partial or no public assistance and the true cost of free education is paying for all the people who could have and would have paid for themselves in the absence of the subsidy. Additionally he ignores two pertinent effects - 1) the cohort of students who are willing to pay or undertake a commitment to pay for a college degree are likely different in motivation and ability than those who are not, and 2) the value of degrees obtained in a market saturated with credentials may be substantially less than he assumes for his calculations of the lifetime tax contributions of graduates. Additionally, the vast majority of the benefit is enjoyed privately by the students in the form of higher earnings. Why the gently caress shouldn't they pay some out of their share. Hardly a slam dunk.
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May 6, 2015 20:11
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paranoid randroid posted:its being called a subsidy because walmart is able to pay their workers unsustainably low wages, that do not meet basic day-to-day needs. the cost of things like food is then being passed onto the taxpayer. No you're calling it a subsidy because you've been indoctrinated into a market/business-centric outlook which you don't understand and wouldn't agree with if you did. Or you're propagandizing. But I'm not willing to give you that much credit.
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asdf32 posted:No you're calling it a subsidy because you've been indoctrinated into a market/business-centric outlook which you don't understand and wouldn't agree with if you did. Or you're propagandizing. But I'm not willing to give you that much credit. Have you ever hosed a watermelon?
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wateroverfire posted:
That's what progressive taxation is for you colossal imbecile. If a student benefits a lot with a higher salary, they in turn pay more to allow others to do the same.
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asdf32 posted:No you're calling it a subsidy because you've been indoctrinated into a market/business-centric outlook which you don't understand and wouldn't agree with if you did. Or you're propagandizing. But I'm not willing to give you that much credit. listen buster the only thing ive been indoctrinated into is the worship of baal melqart and unless were discussing brazen bulls and the sacrifice of babies therein, i fail to see how thats immediately relevant to this loving awful thread
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Ocrassus posted:That's what progressive taxation is for you colossal imbecile. If a student benefits a lot with a higher salary, they in turn pay more to allow others to do the same. If they're able to do that + pay some of the cost of that education that's even better from the state's perspective.
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also asdf im really enjoying your gimmick of being a sniffy, ideologically vague, prick. its a high level technique.
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paranoid randroid posted:listen buster the only thing ive been indoctrinated into is the worship of baal melqart and unless were discussing brazen bulls and the sacrifice of babies therein, i fail to see how thats immediately relevant to this loving awful thread Is kindergarten a Wal-Mart subsidy?
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wateroverfire posted:If they're able to do that + pay some of the cost of that education that's even better from the state's perspective. That's what a higher income tax is for. Student pays nothing upfront, if they get a good job, then they contribute towards it. Some will pay nothing, some will pay something, and the lucky few will subsidise the rest.
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asdf32 posted:Is kindergarten a Wal-Mart subsidy? I dunno, have you ever hosed a watermelon asdf? It's a simple yes or no
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I dunno, have you ever hosed a watermelon asdf? It's a simple yes or no not only did he gently caress it, he blasted it with a shotgun to demonstrate how the clintons killed vince foster
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Ocrassus posted:That's what a higher income tax is for. Student pays nothing upfront, if they get a good job, then they contribute towards it. Some will pay nothing, some will pay something, and the lucky few will subsidise the rest. Eh how many different times can you double dip the progressive taxation angle? "Here's your subsidized loan. Make the most of our investment in you because you have to pay it back" is more efficient, more fair, and less likely to result in people dicking around after an expensive education.
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