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GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
They're neat if you aren't trying to mod/cheat in titles. Which is all I do, so :geno:

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binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Deceitful Penguin posted:

I actually thought about how to fix this in a bunch of ways, some of which was to allow tribals to actually generate prestige via events and decisions, rebates to the upgrades as time goes on and how if certain regions get big chunks taken out of them, the rest get an event where they receive a free upgrade, to show how the people fleeing those places or whatever have come to try and help the rest.

Tribals as is are sort of a shitshow, in that you have a combination of extremely convenient system (hell yea I just want to be able to call tribal allies and then have them just wage the war for me) and the extremely tedious. You literally need more than 5K prestige to fully upgrade a single holding. Even as the Emperor of the Restored Roman Empire that sorta prestige is not easy to find.

Raiding was sorta meant to improve this, but as it happens it doesn't really work right, with Abrahamic tribals never seeming to do it and vast swathes of land just being useless and lame for most of the game.
Eh, is fine, was me being snippy. The adaptation Groogy is making for the Norse system actually fits much better, in so far as that's how the Alsherjargoği was elected back when, but it still doesn't really make that title worth chasing as the sole point of piety for pagans is to get the bonus to temple vassals and discount on title forming.

Gimme something to do with this useless drat piety as pagan please. Maybe change it into prestige in a religious festival, which would also help with the dearth of prestige for tribals.

That's one of the things I played with in my all-tribal mod. I liked the craziness that was an entire world of single province tribes, but I needed to find a way to make it easier for the AI to upgrade them. Eventually I settled on something where they can upgrade for free after 1000AD, but it would probably be better to make regional upgrade events like you are talking about.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Cutting down tribal upgrade time would also let you actually use the glut you sometimes end up with. 3 years to upgrade a single thing that provides such marginal benefits is ehhh. And I swear construction doesn't actually lower the cost/buildtime on the prestige cost ones, which are usually the ones you actually are able to do.

Some sorta cheap festival to turn piety into prestige and a tournament equivalent for all levels would be neat. Events having to do with visitors would also be cool; the Sagas often mention how "ring-givers" and people who were hospitable were greatly respected.

I don't know enough about steppe or defensive tribals, but some variation of "we had a great fishing haul/ great farm year/ great foalings/ hunt/ time fleecing tourists" for added money & prestige, maybe something small like 25 each, combined with event that cost you one or the other would be neat. You host a visitor and he's rude, so either you beat him and pay the fine for prestige or let him be boorish and lose prestige.

And I know there's already events for when certain titles are held by wrong religion/culture just for an announcement, but can you tie things to them?

It still always sorta makes me sad that there aren't like, mines, like there were in the old total war games, because the added money boost to W-African pagans would totally change how they operated. Them having lotsa-cash would make it more likely that they could actually upgrade and break out; it would also encourage the AI to actually go down there in a timely manner.

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

They're neat if you aren't trying to mod/cheat in titles. Which is all I do, so :geno:
http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Provinces

All provinces including alt names. I use it for when I want to revolt places, change religion or other shenanigans.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Hmmm. It wouldn't be too hard to just translate the Germanic place-names and other stuff to Norse honestly, though the further off places would be pure fiction. The same would probs apply to welsh and finnish, dunno about the rest.

Greek - Replace 'c' with 'k' and append an -os at the end
Italian - Take the old Roman name, remove the -um or -us. Maybe throw a 'z' in there somewhere.
The assorted FInno-Ugric folk - Mash hands on keyboard, but make sure that most vowels are doubled
Nahuatl - Consult Classical Nahuatl Wikipedia

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

Deceitful Penguin posted:

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Provinces

All provinces including alt names. I use it for when I want to revolt places, change religion or other shenanigans.

I can't load that page without Firefox crashing so that's moot.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!
They should really just have the 'real' province name show up in the tooltip for the province (if they don't already) and then yeah, go ahead and localize everything into Nahuatl.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

Fintilgin posted:

They should really just have the 'real' province name show up in the tooltip for the province (if they don't already) and then yeah, go ahead and localize everything into Nahuatl.

They do this for the tooltips on titles with dynastic names, so maybe a similar system with province names could help.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

I can't load that page without Firefox crashing so that's moot.

Try Chrome. I'm not joking that page is fab. It has the county ID, what duchy, kingdom and empire it belongs to, culture, religion and number of holdings.

Simplex
Jun 29, 2003

I've been playing CK2 lately and I've come to the realisation that the Charlemagne start plays pretty much how I hoped that EU: Rome would play. My biggest gripes with that game is the half-hearted implementation of politics and dynastic prestige. As well as the barbarians. Goddamn the barbarians. The tribes in CK2 Do more or less the same thing but just function so much better. I would really be interested in a Rome 2 based of off CK2 with some tweaks.

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Paradox, you are sadistic bastards. You're doing a week long preview for Magicka 2 while I'm out of town and won't have access to a computer that can run it. I seriously hate everyone who works there now.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Hey Darkrenown/Wiz/Johan/Groogy/podcat, have you guys decided if you're doing another FanFest at Gamescom this year? I'm trying to decide if I want to buy tickets and for how many days and that factors into the decision. Last year's was cool and one of the highlights of my Gamescom.

Oh hey, apparently this was stealthily announced. Guess I'm going then.

https://www.paradoxplaza.com/paradox-fan-gathering-2015

Drone fucked around with this message at 11:41 on May 6, 2015

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
Not sure if I am going (Not gonna be at GDC/Gamescon as far as I know, but they might fly us out for the party), but Wiz/Podcat/Johan should be there.

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet

Darkrenown posted:

Not sure if I am going (Not gonna be at GDC/Gamescon as far as I know, but they might fly us out for the party), but Wiz/Podcat/Johan should be there.

Too busy working on Victoria 3 to get away? I understand.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
I think the best part of Vicky 3 will be the music, the current iteration of the game engine lets us have music play more frequently in some situations, or not at all, so we can have socialist anthems after the revolution and imperial marches in absolute monarchies

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet

Enjoy posted:

I think the best part of Vicky 3 will be the music, the current iteration of the game engine lets us have music play more frequently in some situations, or not at all, so we can have socialist anthems after the revolution and imperial marches in absolute monarchies

And it can play clown music for certain countries.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Enjoy posted:

I think the best part of Vicky 3 will be the music, the current iteration of the game engine lets us have music play more frequently in some situations, or not at all, so we can have socialist anthems after the revolution and imperial marches in absolute monarchies
Rumor is that Paradox is making a custom music composer feature, with additional tempos, beats, and instruments being unlocked by new inventions. Combining the right tempos, beats, and instruments can unlock bonuses which last as long as the music is playing, such as an increase in morale or support for the ruling party. Obviously you can save your favorite compositions to the custom music folder, which means they're ready to use in another campaign as soon as you unlock the necessary components of the composition. All in all, it sounds like an exciting addition to Victoria, and one I don't think many people saw coming.

Kersch posted:

And it can play clown music for certain countries.
:italy:

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Funky Valentine posted:

I like the incomprehensible Welsh names for everything in Great Britain.

In fact, they motivate me to do more Welsh games.
My man :c00l::respek::clint: Invading India as a Welsh Norsemen is so much fun (if there isnt a big megablob there that instantly crushes me).

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Thats always the sucky part about playing a EU4/CK2 minor. You end up having to restart a lot when you get randomly crushed and game over'd in one war. At least it's usually in the first hour or so if that's going to happen.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Funky Valentine posted:

I like the incomprehensible Welsh names for everything in Great Britain.

In fact, they motivate me to do more Welsh games.

I didn't know there were Welsh names for the rest of Britain

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Kersch posted:

Too busy working on Victoria 3 to get away? I understand.

It's the Rome II converter that's the tricky part.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Kersch posted:

And it can play clown music for certain countries.

The official soundtrack for the Zulu Kingdom will be Yakety Sax.

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib
I picked up Rome on steam after reading through the Crete let's play and I have to say that it's a lot more fun, and hard, than I expected. Playing with wiz's mod though, since it seemed quite empty otherwise.

pdxjohan
Sep 9, 2011

Paradox dev dude.

Darkrenown posted:

Not sure if I am going (Not gonna be at GDC/Gamescon as far as I know, but they might fly us out for the party), but Wiz/Podcat/Johan should be there.


No wiz.. He managed to book his holiday that week.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Enjoy posted:

I didn't know there were Welsh names for the rest of Britain

IIRC there's a different name for Britannia for each culture. I think. I know Scotland becomes Alba if you are Irish, probably becomes stuff if you are Welsh too.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

pdxjohan posted:

No wiz.. He managed to book his holiday that week.
Where will he spend it? I hear Cologne is beautiful that time of year. :v:

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

I once spent and embarrassingly long time researching Norse names for places in Britain so I could rename my conquests there as Norse Norway in CK2. For those places I couldn't find anything historical for I tried to find and translate the literal meaning. :spergin:

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

frankenfreak posted:

Where will he spend it? I hear Cologne is beautiful that time of year. :v:

Why not scenic Memel?

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Larry Parrish posted:

IIRC there's a different name for Britannia for each culture. I think. I know Scotland becomes Alba if you are Irish, probably becomes stuff if you are Welsh too.

Looking at what they are is what made me decide to make a Cornish mod. Then I went and changed it so that every name for Britannia and its constituent kingdoms (and Brittany) was relatively accurate. I sorta pride myself on not doing that for every single county and duchy, but honestly I feel little better than the weird Byzantophiles who insist it's Basileia Romanion.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

catlord posted:

I sorta pride myself on not doing that for every single county and duchy,

I did, that's why I was worried I'd made a superfluous mod
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=415639991

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

I don't know if anyone bothered discussing this article when it came out:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/02/28/subverting-the-nazis-alternative-hearts-of-iron-playstyles/

But for some reason I got excited thinking about Hearts of Iron 4 a few days ago and remembered it. Anyone here ever take an alternate path with Germany in 2 or 3?


Edit- just saw the entry on National Focuses for HoI4. I hope there's a way to mod in new national focus trees for other nations :)

Fidel Cuckstro fucked around with this message at 00:56 on May 8, 2015

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

So I'm going to try a game of HoI 3 as Germany, and see if I can go an alternate history route. I modified my leaders so I didn't have to have Hitler or any of his more odious gang looking back at me from the politics screen, so picking through the leaders file and spot checking some of them on wikipedia, I went with:

Head of government- Konrad Adenauer
Head of State- Theodor Heuss
foreign minister -Albert Dufour-Feronce
armament minister - Ludwig Erhard
minister of security - Gustav Heinemann
minister of intelligence- Oskar von Hindenburg
chief of staff - Ludwig Beck
chief of army - Werner von Fritsch
chief of navy - Erich Raeder
chief of air - Ernst Udet

Adenauer and Huess are probably out of place the most leading Germany in '36, but there aren't a ton of leaders to chose from in the game that aren't Nazis or Fascists in general. The rest seem like either general autocrats or old German military types...so I guess that makes sense as a Conservative/anti-communist coalition that's growing out of the Wiemar?

Trying to decide on goals though is difficult. I guess in General, my goal is to re-build/re-establish Germany as a major power and also have a strong anti-Communist stance. The reality of resources also means I need to get a reliable supply of metal, oil and rare metals going fairly early in the game. And finally, I'd like to see if I can keep at least the US out of a war with me. I know that it's possible to get the US to go Axis, but I'd like to just see if I can keep them non-Allies.



So to those ends, I'm thinking

-Try to get Nationalist China in the Axis instead of Japan. I think the numbers bear out Japan as a more valuable ally (not much less in manpower, more resources and way more leadership and IC), but- and I've never played a faction leader before so maybe I'm wrong- I'm wondering if not bringing them into the Axis avoids the chance of being forced into a war with America due to a Day of Infamy decision?

-Also, bring Persia in to the Axis. I think Persia's a popular alternate route for Germany players since it's out of the way but provides a nice source of oil and window into central Asia. Also I'd like to see if I can encourage them to take Iraq, and maybe Saudi Arabia?

-In both cases I bet somehow the neutrality/threat mechanics will get in my way. I suspect raising Russia's threat could get Persia to join me? I'm assuming/hoping China might join up because of Japan.

-While I'll see if I can still add Austria and Czechoslovakia to Germany without a fight, I suspect I may have messed those decisions up by removing the Nazis from power. I think the Austria one requires the Nazis to be at some popularity/organization level that I can't reach...

-Instead of attacking Poland and triggering WW-2, I'm wondering if I can do a limited war with the Netherlands and avoid getting France/UK involved? The Netherlands themselves aren't worth a ton, but taking Indonesia would go a long way to solving my resource problems


Assuming I accomplish all that, I'd assume I'll still have to go to war with the Allies at some point. I imagine Italy will trigger something. So maybe instead of taking France I could do a sneak invasion of England? land an invasion force before they know what hit them? I guess I could test the limits of air-supplying an invasion force, since I'm pretty sure I'll be screwed trying to supply them from a port.

Also will be interesting to see if/how Russia handles not being given the M-R pact.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

So I'm going to try a game of HoI 3 as Germany, and see if I can go an alternate history route. I modified my leaders so I didn't have to have Hitler or any of his more odious gang looking back at me from the politics screen, so picking through the leaders file and spot checking some of them on wikipedia, I went with:

Head of government- Konrad Adenauer
Head of State- Theodor Heuss
foreign minister -Albert Dufour-Feronce
armament minister - Ludwig Erhard
minister of security - Gustav Heinemann
minister of intelligence- Oskar von Hindenburg
chief of staff - Ludwig Beck
chief of army - Werner von Fritsch
chief of navy - Erich Raeder
chief of air - Ernst Udet

Adenauer and Huess are probably out of place the most leading Germany in '36, but there aren't a ton of leaders to chose from in the game that aren't Nazis or Fascists in general. The rest seem like either general autocrats or old German military types...so I guess that makes sense as a Conservative/anti-communist coalition that's growing out of the Wiemar?

Franz von Papen would probably still factor into any theoretical rightist-but-not-quite-Nazi-yet government in '36. There's also those two mods (Democratic Germany and its successor mod, Communist Germany) for Darkest Hour that includes a bunch of reasonably plausible ministers and events for a variety of different Germanys, you could probably download it and peek into the ministers folder for inspiration.

And the problem with annexing Austria is that you're likely to run into a similar problem that Hitler nearly faced: namely, Austria's fascist government is endorsed and protected by Mussolini. Unless you go the historical route and buddy-buddy up with Il Duce, you're gonna have issues.

Drone fucked around with this message at 06:23 on May 8, 2015

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Drone posted:

Franz von Papen would probably still factor into any theoretical rightist-but-not-quite-Nazi-yet government in '36. There's also those two mods (Democratic Germany and its successor mod, Communist Germany) for Darkest Hour that includes a bunch of reasonably plausible ministers and events for a variety of different Germanys, you could probably download it and peek into the ministers folder for inspiration.

And the problem with annexing Austria is that you're likely to run into a similar problem that Hitler nearly faced: namely, Austria's fascist government is endorsed and protected by Mussolini. Unless you go the historical route and buddy-buddy up with Il Duce, you're gonna have issues.

Sounds interesting, I'll take a look at them.

Yeah I'm trying to decide if I should link up with Italy. I guess if Hitler's not in power, there's nobody in the German government getting all goo-goo over Mussolini, and while they're an easy pick up for the Axis and technically not a drag on the faction the way they kind of were in reality, there is that "well we had to have them last time so let the Axis have them now" mentality...and like I said I suspect they'll start a war with France somehow.

On the other, other hand though I guess Italy starting a war with the Allies does give me a reason to fight a war with the Allies. I imagine it's not a ton of fun playing a WW-2 grand strategy game where you avoid starting a World War ever :)

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

On the other, other hand though I guess Italy starting a war with the Allies does give me a reason to fight a war with the Allies. I imagine it's not a ton of fun playing a WW-2 grand strategy game where you avoid starting a World War ever :)

I think it probably makes more sense that you'd fight the Allies than the Soviets. Weimar Germany and the USSR had a complicated but not adversarial relationship.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Drone posted:

And the problem with annexing Austria is that you're likely to run into a similar problem that Hitler nearly faced: namely, Austria's fascist government is endorsed and protected by Mussolini.

This is odd when you think about it, considering Süd-Tirol. ♥

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Drone posted:

I think it probably makes more sense that you'd fight the Allies than the Soviets. Weimar Germany and the USSR had a complicated but not adversarial relationship.

I do love how Paradox games force me to discover smaller details of history I had never heard of- like the Treaty of Rapallo :)

I wonder if I could go to war with the Allies, take over/puppet France, and then try to pursue peace with England.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Phlegmish posted:

This is odd when you think about it, considering Süd-Tirol. ♥

A bunch of small countries that are no challenge to you on your borders is better than a big guy that can smash you to bits.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
New HoI DD.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


How do HoI 4 ideologies map to the old system? Or will we see that when elections are covered?

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Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Will neutral nations still have some kind of government description to let us know in which direction they are drifting, or will they just all be designated flat-out "Neutral"?

I mean if Poland is a Neutral nation but is being influence toward the Allies, it would be described as something like "Social Conservative".

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