|
Yeah I'm not really convinced Sanders is unelectable in the face of the GOP clown car if he got the proper DNC support. I'm not crazy enough to think he's going to beat Hillary or anything but if something happened to her then I don't believe a Sanders nomination would result in a sure GOP victory. I do think that Hillary is a better bet based on fund raising, name recognition, political insider support, etc.
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 14:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 13:28 |
|
|
computer parts posted:Well no, the worst case scenario is that she ignores him and moves right but thankfully the electorate is going the opposite direction. Well yes, but I meant our working for Sanders will not produce a negative outcome - the worst outcome is neutral.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 14:55
|
|
|
Ceiling fan posted:But look at that! God drat. If IniTrade were still operating, I'd think that Jeb had bet his entire savings against himself. Usually Republicans don't rehire felons for their administrations once they've resigned in disgrace and been convicted. Well, I don't know about felons, but a big chunk of the W. Bush "national security" machine was made up of Reaganites who cut their teeth doing stuff like organizing death squads in South America (John Negroponte!) or just being involved in Iran/Contra in some way; Republicans really love to rehire war criminals and give 'em another shot in a different country the US is invading.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 16:47
|
|
|
Serious question: is there anyone here who isn't going to vote for Bernie in the primary and is a democrat? I'm doing that, and then I'll be voting for Clinton in the general.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:05
|
|
|
I'm one of those mythical O'Malley supporters so
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:10
|
|
|
Zelder posted:Serious question: is there anyone here who isn't going to vote for Bernie in the primary and is a democrat? I'm doing that, and then I'll be voting for Clinton in the general. I'm not, because Bernie will be out of the race well before California's primary.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:11
|
|
|
Juvenalian.Satyr posted:I'm one of those mythical O'Malley supporters so Doesn't he have some pretty strange views on criminal justice (arrest em all and let god sort them out) or has that changed recently?
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:14
|
|
|
Zelder posted:Serious question: is there anyone here who isn't going to vote for Bernie in the primary and is a democrat? I'm doing that, and then I'll be voting for Clinton in the general. O'Malley or Chafee could get my vote if they hammer racial justice issues harder than Bernie does. "No War but the Class War!" is an overwheling turn-off for me w/r/t the American Left. But they probably won't, being old white men who have held executive power.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:14
|
|
|
Zelder posted:Serious question: is there anyone here who isn't going to vote for Bernie in the primary and is a democrat? I'm doing that, and then I'll be voting for Clinton in the general. My state has open primaries so it's a tossup for me whether to vote for Bernie in the D primary or vote for Fiorina or Carson or some other zero-shot candidate in the GOP primary, because it would amuse me to say "I voted for Carly Fiorina!"
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:20
|
|
|
Clinton discussing race will be interesting to watch.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:24
|
|
|
GreyPowerVan posted:Doesn't he have some pretty strange views on criminal justice (arrest em all and let god sort them out) or has that changed recently? yes he's partly to blame for the unrest and police problems in baltimore, although that issue goes far beyond the last decade or so.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:27
|
|
|
Nonsense posted:Clinton discussing race will be interesting to watch. Bill has already came out and said "yeah all the poo poo I did in the 90s was bad and Hillary has the right idea in wanting to repeal that".
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:28
|
|
|
my bony fealty posted:My state has open primaries so it's a tossup for me whether to vote for Bernie in the D primary or vote for Fiorina or Carson or some other zero-shot candidate in the GOP primary, because it would amuse me to say "I voted for Carly Fiorina!" Same. As well I'm going to vote for non-insane candidates for other site offices because in many races here in Texas the GOP primary is the real election. I only voted Democratic last time to vote against a Larouchite.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:40
|
|
|
The racial dimension to the 2008 primary fight got a little raw at times, to say the least, so I'll be curious to see how well Hillary does with minority engagement in her campaign. If Obama makes a big effort to endorse and support Hillary that might help transfer his supporters, although this late in his administration I'm guessing the only people who are still excited about Obama are already dyed-in-the-wool Democratic voters. To my mind Obama is still basically the high water mark for how not-awful a President can even be in the modern era. God knows if Bush takes office we'll get nostalgic for the problematic Obama years really loving fast. If Hillary's elected she'll probably be better on a few things and worse on a few other things but not an order of magnitude drop like a Republican administration would be.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:43
|
|
|
GreyPowerVan posted:Doesn't he have some pretty strange views on criminal justice (arrest em all and let god sort them out) or has that changed recently? That's not exactly different than any other policy of a Democrat in that period. Not that I support it necessarily, but I also don't think criminal justice is that important an issue for a President compared to education, environment and healthcare, and it's the first of those three that makes him preferable to me for his DiBlasio esque approach, and he's to the left or similar to Clinton on the others. I really don't want Clinton to win, not that she's necessarily all for expansion of charter schools, but she would more or less continue the technocratic approach that Arne Duncan as Secretary of Education and organizations like the Gates Foundation have hammered through in the wake of Waiting for Superman, that I think is extremely toxic for public education, even if the seeming principle of Common Core is something I agree with. I wouldn't vote for him as a Mayor of Baltimore, though.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:45
|
|
|
PupsOfWar posted:O'Malley or Chafee could get my vote if they hammer racial justice issues harder than Bernie does. "No War but the Class War!" is an overwheling turn-off for me w/r/t the American Left. This is me too, though I'm still on the fence between Clinton and Sanders (and frankly by the time my primary rolls around it won't matter, but that's the rub). Clinton, at the moment, has the edge for being willing to talk about race at all.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:46
|
|
|
Incidentally, I think the groundswell for Sanders, as temporal as it's likely to be, and I hope with O'Malley similarly campaigning to the left (just not the far left) will continue pressure on Clinton to make commitments to expanding social programs. Not that I believe, like some do, that Clinton necessarily finds such abhorrent. She's always been a retail politician and very much aware of these trends, and I think she might end up threading the needle better than others might in the general election. I just wish education was a genuine topic and only O'Malley has really spoken about it. O'Malley's position and stated agenda to expand choice but keep public funds in public schools, rather than diverted to charter schools, is the only position I've heard really from the candidates. Clinton's public position is nebulous but she and her husband have long been associated with the architects of the current technocratic reformer agenda. Sanders voted for No Child Left Behind but otherwise hasn't made any waves re: education. It doesn't seem to interest him as an issue.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 17:56
|
|
|
Juvenalian.Satyr posted:
The AFT backed Hillary very heavily in the 2008 Primaries, do you recall the reasoning behind that? One of my teachers that year was head of our school's union and we discussed it. Obama was definitely considered the more pro-"reform" candidate. I still have my AFT for Hillary pin somewhere 
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:21
|
|
|
Do you guys think that Clinton could tap Sanders for VP? If not, who might Clinton pick for her VP?
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:39
|
|
|
Mordiceius posted:Do you guys think that Clinton could tap Sanders for VP? There is a better chance of Clinton picking one of us for her VP. quote:If not, who might Clinton pick for her VP? Pretty much anyone but Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:43
|
|
|
Mordiceius posted:Do you guys think that Clinton could tap Sanders for VP? If not, who might Clinton pick for her VP? No. A centrist democrat who is the grandson of immigrants and with a progressive record.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:46
|
|
|
Mitt Romney?
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:49
|
|
|
I've never really followed the primary process, so I have a question about resources. Assuming Sanders won't win the primary, what happens to all the money and manpower that his campaign has (this I'm guessing can be more generalized to any campaign)? Does it get absorbed by the DNC and used for the general campaign? Does Bernie get to keep the cash? Do people generally hop from once campaign to the next after their guy has lost?
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:55
|
|
|
My Imaginary GF posted:No. Your delusions might be amusing if they weren't so goddamn tediously predictable, littlest wonk. My money's on Castro.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:55
|
|
|
My Imaginary GF posted:No. So...not Rahm Emanuel, then.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 18:55
|
|
|
site posted:I've never really followed the primary process, so I have a question about resources. Assuming Sanders won't win the primary, what happens to all the money and manpower that his campaign has (this I'm guessing can be more generalized to any campaign)? Does it get absorbed by the DNC and used for the general campaign? Does Bernie get to keep the cash? Do people generally hop from once campaign to the next after their guy has lost? Bernie will hold on to the money to pay any outstanding debts and if theres any left over he'll funnel it to his senate re-election fund if he's smart.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:01
|
|
|
Under the vegetable posted:If Bernie's such a socialist how come all my socialist friends hate him and call him a democrat? True socialists never support anyone, lest they risk disappointment. ComradeCosmobot posted:I'm not, because Bernie will be out of the race well before California's primary. Have faith, Comrade.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:20
|
|
|
What are the biggest disagreements between Hillary and Bill?
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:24
|
|
|
Belome posted:What are the biggest disagreements between Hillary and Bill? The merits of monogamy.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:30
|
|
|
Belome posted:What are the biggest disagreements between Hillary and Bill? Hillary came out against the 94 crime bill, but then Bill also came out and said it was a mistake. I imagine he would align his policy with hers now, so that he doesn't risk contradicting her and undermining her campaign.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:32
|
|
|
site posted:I've never really followed the primary process, so I have a question about resources. Assuming Sanders won't win the primary, what happens to all the money and manpower that his campaign has (this I'm guessing can be more generalized to any campaign)? Does it get absorbed by the DNC and used for the general campaign? Does Bernie get to keep the cash? Do people generally hop from once campaign to the next after their guy has lost? Campaigns almost never end up with extra cash at the end. Newt still owes ~$4.5 million from his 2012 primary campaign. Hilariously, some of that debt is owed to companies owned by Herman Cain.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:35
|
|
|
Mordiceius posted:Do you guys think that Clinton could tap Sanders for VP? If not, who might Clinton pick for her VP? Basically zero. He brings nothing to the table to help her in the general, several things to hurt her and his age is a bigger issue than hers is. It's a complete pipe dream. She's likely to choose someone who is 1) male, 2) a visible minority, and 3) considerably younger. My money's on a Castro, maybe Booker.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:41
|
|
|
O'Malley hires Obama vet Karine Jean-Pierre as National Political Director. Picking up O'Mentum.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:49
|
|
|
Joementum posted:Campaigns almost never end up with extra cash at the end. Newt still owes ~$4.5 million from his 2012 primary campaign. Hilariously, some of that debt is owed to companies owned by Herman Cain. Ouch. No wonder he's still doing his thing though. When you're that far in debt I guess you might as well ignore it lol. Surprised he's not doing a Huckabee and pushing a book or a TV show or something to get some cash though.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:50
|
|
|
Captain_Maclaine posted:Your delusions might be amusing if they weren't so goddamn tediously predictable, littlest wonk. Name a centrist democrat who's raised minimum wage, and in who's state riots have not occured within the past 2 years.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:53
|
|
|
My Imaginary GF posted:Name a centrist democrat who's raised minimum wage, and in who's state riots have not occured within the past 2 years. Mr. Mayor, you are a soulless, bitter husk of a human being and you will not be Vice President. Please accept that.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:57
|
|
|
My Imaginary GF posted:Name a centrist democrat who's raised minimum wage, and in who's state riots have not occured within the past 2 years. My favorite part is where he stonewalled the white house LGBT liason until after DADT was put in place and then told him that it was "more than you people deserve."
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 20:16
|
|
|
site posted:Ouch. Individual people are not on the hook for campaign debt. Legally they can welch on their entire debt and declare "Newt For America 2012" bankrupt and creditors can't do anything. So, never loan a losing campaign a ton of money and expect it back. Some candidates do fundraise for their debts after they lose (Hillary did in 2008), but they don't have to. Campaigns usually don't have money leftover, but legally a campaign fund can't be kept or used for any non-electoral purpose. A candidate still legally controls the fund and he/she can do a couple things with it: 1) Contribute to other political action committees, candidate committees, or party committees. 2) Hold the money and roll it over into a re-election campaign fund. 3) Issue refunds to donors. Usually it is #1 and almost never #3. Evan Bayh still has a campaign account with several million dollars in it as of last year. Not sure if he ever sent it anywhere. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 7, 2015 |
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 20:19
|
|
|
How much does the Vice President slot really matter? Its track record as a springboard for Presidential ambitions is spotty, its role in the election and in government only seems to matter if you gently caress up and pick someone crazy like Palin, otherwise if everything goes according to plan it's pretty forgettable. I find it hard to believe Hillary's pick will move many votes. I guess it might help set the tone of the campaign a little if she goes for someone young and progressive, particularly if it's a visible minority creating the first winning ticket without an old white dude on it.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 20:25
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 13:28 |
|
|
My Imaginary GF posted:Name a centrist democrat who's raised minimum wage, and in who's state riots have not occured within the past 2 years. Peter Shumlin. 
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 20:26
|
|