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hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
It's a quote from an FB argument. I had about 4 or 5 months ago and posted here.

It was the post that ended me. RIP me.

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JBark
Jun 27, 2000
Good passwords are a good idea.

Zenithe posted:

How viable is solar panels + new tesla battery going to be for Australian households?

Here's a pretty good article that goes into detail about costs and such:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/5/5/smart-energy/teslas-powerwall-solar-it-could-slash-power-bills-it-worth-it

In short, his rough guesstimates come out to be around 11 years to payback the battery expenses, so not especially worth it for financial reasons alone. Though I did read elsewhere that with a straight currency conversion, the PowerWall is about 4x cheaper than what you can currently get in Australia for something with similar storage capacity. So if you're off the grid already, say out in the bush somewhere, this might give you some substantial savings when it comes time to replace batteries.

But that's at the current price, and I expect them to have some pretty substantial drops in price over the next couple years.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Oh my god the UK. I'm laughing so hard at Nick Clegg.

Mattjpwns
Dec 14, 2006

In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED
Fun fact: Today marks the 70th anniversary of the first broadcast of Australian Parliament proceedings by the ABC.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Anidav posted:

Oh my god the UK. I'm laughing so hard at Nick Clegg.

Tony's got to be drooling while scribbling notes down.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Mattjpwns posted:

Fun fact: Today marks the 70th anniversary of the first broadcast of Australian Parliament proceedings by the ABC.

And still no smell-o-vision

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Mattjpwns posted:

Fun fact: Today marks the 70th anniversary of the first broadcast of Australian Parliament proceedings by the ABC.

And the end of the Glorious Patriotic War :ussr:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT2qnM3s0Cc

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

markgreyam posted:

Unrelated but for some idiot reason I started reading today's paper after someone put it on my desk.


RADelaide.

Vladimir Poutine posted:

It's weird that stayed in place during eras of reform like when SA decriminalised marijuana or when Dunstan was doing his thing. Actually, I thought only QLD had the gay panic defence. I wonder if anyone would actually be dumb enough to use it as a defence.

Yeah, Queensland does have the gay panic defense, and it was used successfully a few years ago.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/no-plans-to-change-queensland-gay-panic-defence-20140821-106wvh.html

blacksun
Mar 16, 2006
I told Cwapface not to register me with a title that said I am a faggot but he did it anyway because he likes to tell the truth.
What is the Greens stance towards the Lucas Heights reactor?

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

blacksun posted:

What is the Greens stance towards the Lucas Heights reactor?

ps: try googling "thing you want to find site:greens.org.au" next time you want to find something like this

http://greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

quote:

The Australian Greens want:

A nuclear-free world.
Cessation of Australian uranium mining and export.
Medical support and compensation provided to workers occupationally exposed to radiation.
Compensation for the victims of British nuclear weapons testing in Australia, and rehabilitation of nuclear test sites.
Uranium mining companies to be liable for rehabilitation of uranium mining sites and subject to enforcement of standards to safely contain and monitor radioactive tailings wastes for at least 10,000 years.
Closure of Australia's ports and territorial waters to nuclear-powered or nuclear-armed vessels.
Removal from Australian territory of all facilities which enable deployment of nuclear weapons.
Prohibition of food irradiation and the importation of such food.
Prohibition of the importation and reprocessing of international nuclear waste and fuel rods.
Closure of the OPAL nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights and development of non-reactor technologies, such as particle accelerators, for the production of radioisotopes for medical and scientific purposes.
Safe, long-term containment of Australia's existing nuclear waste, stored and monitored above ground, in dry storage at or near the site of generation.
The elimination of nuclear weapons through a Nuclear Weapons Convention, nuclear weapon free zones, municipalities and ports.
To cease production and use of depleted uranium weapons.
Prohibition of nuclear power plants and the promotion of safe, ecologically sustainable energy options.
Prohibition of government funding of mining, research, development and commercialisation of technologies directly related to the enrichment or weaponisation of nuclear material.
Prohibition of the mining and export of thorium.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Greens being anti-nuke is dumb given their chosen colour if nothing else.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

I thought you needed a reactor to make certain isotopes. But, I guess you'd get the same deal with a proper neutron source.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Cartoon posted:

You can take the psychopath out of the Immigration portfolio but you can't stop him from using kids for blackmail.

So this is just what he did with the children in detention - give me what I want or I'll continue torturing these children. If you don't give me what I want, all the terrible things I'm going to continue to do to these children will be your fault.


Doing that once in a lifetime is unforgivable, making it your default position in negotiations - hell, I lack a word to describe it.

Evil, monstrous both fit, but they're pretty much comic book words now. Psychopathic? That's a TV police procedural word. How exactly do you succinctly describe a man like this?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Senor Tron posted:

Tony's got to be drooling while scribbling notes down.

Step 1: have a Murdoch controlled media ststem

Step 2: Have an opposition lead by a charismaless leader that attempts milquetoast centre-right policy to try to claw votes from the right wing and to alienate the political left.

Step 3: Win.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

Gorilla Salad posted:

So this is just what he did with the children in detention - give me what I want or I'll continue torturing these children. If you don't give me what I want, all the terrible things I'm going to continue to do to these children will be your fault.


Doing that once in a lifetime is unforgivable, making it your default position in negotiations - hell, I lack a word to describe it.

Evil, monstrous both fit, but they're pretty much comic book words now. Psychopathic? That's a TV police procedural word. How exactly do you succinctly describe a man like this?

Liberal.

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

Birdstrike posted:

FYI, D&D already solved our future energy sourcing needs: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3713507

The best part about that thread are the autists who start coming in and treating it seriously

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-08/open-drum-why-i-chose-to-have-my-skin-branded/6454040

I'm trying to take this article seriously and i really just can't.

GrandMaster
Aug 15, 2004
laidback

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:TERROR ALERT IN MELBOURNE:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

I can see the point, however branding yourself to make it is dumb.

MiniSune
Sep 16, 2003

Smart like Dodo!

SynthOrange posted:

:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:TERROR ALERT IN MELBOURNE:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:

What? It's just the Melbourne Derby in the Wogball.

AFL conspiracy. Everywhere.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

quote:

Victoria and Australian Federal Police are conducting a police operation in Melbourne's northern suburbs as part of an ongoing investigation.

Victoria Police said they were not in a position to provide further information.

:shrug:

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Not even going to post Gerard Henderson today, too tedious.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Laserface posted:

Greens being anti-nuke is dumb given their chosen colour if nothing else.

Cherenkov radiation is blue mate

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Not even going to post Gerard Henderson today, too tedious.

:Neo voice: Whoa

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
He's in a good mood because of the UK election. Next week he will be back to his usual miserable self.

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

norp posted:

ps: try googling "thing you want to find site:greens.org.au" next time you want to find something like this

http://greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-uranium

This is a bad set of policies, luckily the rest of their policies are good.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

GoldStandardConure posted:

Cherenkov radiation is blue mate

Then why aren't the Libs fighting for glorious nuclear supremacy?

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

norp posted:

Then why aren't the Libs fighting for glorious nuclear supremacy?

Because nobody is paying them to

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Jumpingmanjim posted:

He's in a good mood because of the UK election. Next week he will be back to his usual miserable self.

There's no end of jobs for dried-up monotonous conservative gits - he should move there.

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008
At least that loving piece of trash columnist who suggest deploying gunboats to the Mediterranean won't be coming here.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Splode posted:

This is a bad set of policies, luckily the rest of their policies are good.

Yeah, their nuclear policy is stupidly absolutist, it's a good thing there is no real debate on this issue and likely won't be in the foreseeable future.

It's like saying "We will campaign on keeping wild tigers out of the streets of Sydney"

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip

Splode posted:

This is a bad set of policies, luckily the rest of their policies are good.

it's actually a pretty reasonable set held back by one or two questionable ones and one extremely bad one

Freudian Slip
Mar 10, 2007

"I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Murodese posted:

truly, a victory for the ALP left

for some context, we actually reached 30k GWh in 2012 and the original target was 45k GWH

Could you provide a source for the 30k GWh that falls under the RET scheme?

From what I have heard the 33K target will mean that we would have to quadruple our renewables to meet this target.

Conversation posted:

This means that to meet the newly mandated 33,000 GWh in 2020, the renewable energy sector will have to more than quadruple in size from its current level of output. Encouraging investment will be crucial.

https://theconversation.com/how-will-the-reduced-renewable-energy-target-affect-investment-41505

Also to be fair the original target was 45 - but we are going to get closer to it if you add the SRES back in due to the high uptake of solar panels.

Origin posted:

The RET was implemented in 2009 as a fixed volume target of 45 TWh based on electricity growth forecasts that were much higher than what we have experienced in recent years.

Also in 2010, when the RET was split into the LRET and SRES, the LRET was implemented as a fixed volume target of 41 TWh and the SRES was uncapped with a notional 4 TWh target.

In December 2012, the Climate Change Authority projected that the SRES will reach 11 TWh by 2020, far exceeding the original 4 TWh predicted. This is largely due to the much higher than expected installation of residential photovoltaic solar systems.

So 33K + assumed 11K = 44K which is spitting distance from the original 45K. Add in the fact that we are using far less energy than was originally predicated and we are better off than we thought we would be.

I am not saying that I am happy about the lowering of the RET, but I think its important to realise that having this bipartisan target is going to spur investment in the industry.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Freudian Slip posted:


I am not saying that I am happy about the lowering of the RET, but I think its important to realise that having this bipartisan target is going to spur investment in the industry.

There was someone from the solar industry on ABC radio today saying that under this new deal, there will be no more large scale solar installations built.

Not the quote box wanted but
"Both the CEC and the Australian Solar Council expressed serious concern at the Government's proposal to retain the two-yearly reviews of the scheme, which the industry had been assured would be removed.

"These reviews are the root cause of the crisis that the industry is facing, and a deal which guarantees another review next year could be a death warrant for the industry," Mr Thornton said."

NPR Journalizard fucked around with this message at 07:41 on May 8, 2015

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

Seagull posted:

it's actually a pretty reasonable set held back by one or two questionable ones and one extremely bad one

Mate let me have my hyperbole.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Freudian Slip posted:

I am not saying that I am happy about the lowering of the RET, but I think its important to realise that having this bipartisan target is going to spur investment in the industry.

Precisely the opposite of what the renewables investment spokesman was saying on news24 today: the global funds won't touch Australia for investment, it's a hostile environment and despite the compromise there is no bipartisan will to fund the sector. It's dead, Jim. We will be paying a premium for the investment made in other countries instead.

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

ewe2 posted:

Precisely the opposite of what the renewables investment spokesman was saying on news24 today: the global funds won't touch Australia for investment, it's a hostile environment and despite the compromise there is no bipartisan will to fund the sector. It's dead, Jim. We will be paying a premium for the investment made in other countries instead.

Yeah all this shows is that one party is anti-renewables and the other is spineless and won't stand up for them. Nobody with any common sense would invest in that environment.

Freudian Slip
Mar 10, 2007

"I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Frogmanv2 posted:

"These reviews are the root cause of the crisis that the industry is facing, and a deal which guarantees another review next year could be a death warrant for the industry," Mr Thornton said."

Yeah, I didn't realise they were keeping the reviews. I thought they were gone :smith:

The whole point of having a target set is so that industry have confidence moving forward.

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Murodese
Mar 6, 2007

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Freudian Slip posted:

Could you provide a source for the 30k GWh that falls under the RET scheme?

Page 9:
https://www.cleanenergycouncil.org....port%202012.pdf

If the 30k is large-scale only, then the figure was ~27.4kgwh in 2012, the number on that paper (29.6kgwh) includes small-scale solar.

e; my bad, fixed the first number

ee; they're possibly talking about quadrupling the size of the solar industry, as the paper notes hydro is pretty tapped out

Murodese fucked around with this message at 08:01 on May 8, 2015

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