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Detailed article in the NYTimes about Marco Rubio's billionaire mentor Norman Braman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-politically-and-personally.html quote:MIAMI — One day in the State Capitol in Tallahassee, Marco Rubio, the young speaker of the House, strayed from the legislative proceedings to single out a lanky, silver-haired man seated in the balcony: a billionaire auto dealer named Norman Braman. I was really surprised to see how low the Rubios' net worth was. To elaborate further, Washington Post estimated he had a net worth of 400k in 2010 (The Senate median was 1.7m in 2010. His latest financial disclosure in 2013 revealed that he's since paid off the student loans and his liabilities are just a few hundred thousand in mortgages and home equity lines of credit. http://apps.washingtonpost.com/politics/capitol-assets/member/marco-rubio/ http://pfds.opensecrets.org/N00030612_2013.pdf Marco Rubio should make this part of his campaign story. He worked hard and pulled himself out of debt with a little help from his friends!
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That's a great article. God, it really is who you know.
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William Bear posted:Detailed article in the NYTimes about Marco Rubio's billionaire mentor Norman Braman: Wait Norman "former Philadelphia Eagles owner AKA The Man From Florida AKA the guy who let Reggie White walk" Braman?!!?! My feelings toward Rubio have moved from apathy to seething hatred.
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Bloomberg Politics / Saint Anselm NH poll. Poor Joey, always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
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Nessus posted:It's because the IRS is seen as this demonic force which has audited and ruined people and been horrifying and evil just because they didn't pay their taxes, as if that's illegal or something. Obviously, by destroying the IRS, all those bad things will come to an end, and whatever newly renamed agency that collects taxes will be totally different. Of course in two decades they'll be promising to abolish the Treasury Revenue Collectors. Nah, Cruz doesn't care about that. He (and the other Republican candidates) don't like the fact that all 90,000 employees are under the control of the sinister Lois Lerner, using their power to crush all conservative dissent. Presumably the new agency will be politically neutral or favorable to the conservative cause.
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joeburz posted:Does rand always wear the same terrible suit combination A blazer is the official uniform of NHL GMs and coaches. If it's good enough for national sports team managers, it's good enough for the... President. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 16:45 on May 10, 2015 |
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William Bear posted:Detailed article in the NYTimes about Marco Rubio's billionaire mentor Norman Braman: If only every mega donor's quid pro quo was government grants to cancer research and genetic research. It's all good though, as long as Rubio never sees that one yacht, we can be assured that the limits to their relationship stand firm.
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From Jeb Bush commencement speech at Liberty Universityquote:“It is not only untrue, but also a little ungrateful, to dismiss the Christian faith as some obstacle to enlightened thought, some ancient, irrelevant creed wearing out its welcome in the modern world. Whether or not we acknowledge the source, Hebrew Scripture and the New Testament still provide the moral vocabulary we all use in America – and may it always be so. As usual, the present administration is supporting the use of coercive federal power. What should be easy calls, in favor of religious freedom, have instead become an aggressive stance against it. Somebody here is being small-minded and intolerant, and it sure isn’t the nuns, ministers, and laymen and women who ask only to live and practice their faith. Federal authorities are demanding obedience, in complete disregard of religious conscience – and in a free society, the answer is no." http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/jeb-bush-at-liberty-university-commencement-442640451512 Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 10, 2015 |
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mmm thats some high quality empty speech
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# ? May 10, 2015 18:04 |
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More Jeb:quote:Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) would have authorized the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, putting the likely 2016 presidential contender on the same page as his brother George W. Bush, the president who actually did so.
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Not sure how that hurts him since Clinton voted for the authorization of the Iraq War.
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“By the way, guess who thinks that those mistakes took place as well? George W. Bush. Yes, I mean, so just for the news flash to the world, if they’re trying to find places where there’s big space between me and my brother, this might not be one of those" does make him kind of sound like a petulant child though...
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well.... He's not wrong.
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That's actually an interesting line of inquiry though, and if we get Bush/Clinton debates the Iraq war is going to make for some fascinating mental and verbal gymnastics. JEB's in a tough position where he can't repudiate the Iraq war (and how unpopular it is) because it'll kick up a fuss about him breaking with his brother, not to mention he's employing the same foreign policy shop. Hillary has to know by now her Iraq war support is a liability with the Democratic base after 2008 but it'll be really hard to attack Bush on his rhetorical support for his brother when she provided formal political support. There's bound to be some awkward, backhand attacks that try to thread the needle just right.
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Dolash posted:That's actually an interesting line of inquiry though, and if we get Bush/Clinton debates the Iraq war is going to make for some fascinating mental and verbal gymnastics. JEB's in a tough position where he can't repudiate the Iraq war (and how unpopular it is) because it'll kick up a fuss about him breaking with his brother, not to mention he's employing the same foreign policy shop. Hillary has to know by now her Iraq war support is a liability with the Democratic base after 2008 but it'll be really hard to attack Bush on his rhetorical support for his brother when she provided formal political support. There's bound to be some awkward, backhand attacks that try to thread the needle just right.
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ThirdPartyView posted:Not sure how that hurts him since Clinton voted for the authorization of the Iraq War. Hillary: "I was tricked into this like the majority of America." Jeb: "I think it was right and I'd do it again too!"
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It really was unfortunate that faulty information that led to the Iraq War just happened to appear out of nowhere.
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computer parts posted:Hillary: "I was tricked into this like the majority of America." And America is only going to give a poo poo that Hillary voted "Yes" so they're even.
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ThirdPartyView posted:And America is only going to give a poo poo that Hillary voted "Yes" so they're even. [citation needed]
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computer parts posted:[citation needed] Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, Willie Horton, Daisy, the entirety of the American political campaigning history (pretty much)?
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Well he deserves some credit for being straightforward about it, I guess.
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ThirdPartyView posted:Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, Willie Horton, Daisy, the entirety of the American political campaigning history (pretty much)? You'll have to elaborate on that.
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ThirdPartyView posted:Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, Willie Horton, Daisy, the entirety of the American political campaigning history (pretty much)? Like this is really Hillary's secret weapon, "We heard all that bullshit already! Christ!"
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Nessus posted:Based on my estimated six trillion seen repetitions of "Hillary Voted For The Iraq War, And Is Thus Bad" in the past five or so years, I'm going to guess that this particular factoid has already made whatever impact it was going to. And besides, Republicans aren't going to be the ones saying "Saying the Iraq war was a good idea is bad".
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ThirdPartyView posted:Not sure how that hurts him since Clinton voted for the authorization of the Iraq War. Any instance of Jeb pointing out how similar to his brother he is is a bad instance. If Jeb actively turns this into Bush Years vs Clinton Years, he's pretty hosed. He isn't going to come out an blast his brother for points, but that doesn't mean he should be talking about how much his policy agenda is like his brother's. One Senator's vote is not comparable to the actions of the guy who actually campaigned for and waged a lovely war.
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OctoberBlues posted:“By the way, guess who thinks that those mistakes took place as well? George W. Bush. Yes, I mean, so just for the news flash to the world, if they’re trying to find places where there’s big space between me and my brother, this might not be one of those" To be fair, if I was put into the position of having to constantly defend my older brother's colossal fuckups, I'd probably get a little testy after a while, too.
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ThirdPartyView posted:Not sure how that hurts him since Clinton voted for the authorization of the Iraq War. She could release a statement that's something along the lines "and look at the giant loving mess your brother made that I spent years helping to clean up."
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Raskolnikov38 posted:She could release a statement that's something along the lines "and look at the giant loving mess your brother made that I spent years helping to clean up." That probably wouldn't be a good thing to say, seeing as Iraq became a mess under Obama's watch with ISIS taking over a quarter of the country. Hillary'd be much better off arguing about the decision to go to war than the ways in which the administrations dealt with the aftermath.
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Cliff Racer posted:That probably wouldn't be a good thing to say, seeing as Iraq became a mess under Obama's watch with ISIS taking over a quarter of the country. Hillary'd be much better off arguing about the decision to go to war than the ways in which the administrations dealt with the aftermath. There's a strong argument to be made that Daesh's ascendancy was more or less inevitable after the Bush presidency, but the argument relies heavily on nuance and wonkish details, so you are quite right that it is probably not a viable proposition to present to the American public.
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Cliff Racer posted:That probably wouldn't be a good thing to say, seeing as Iraq became a mess under Obama's watch with ISIS taking over a quarter of the country. Hillary'd be much better off arguing about the decision to go to war than the ways in which the administrations dealt with the aftermath. That's probably true since ISIS is Bush's fault still but to explain why would take longer than Americans' goldfish-esque attention span.
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Mike Huckabee posted:quote:Mike Huckabee, the Republican presidential candidate, defended his endorsement of a dubious diabetes remedy on Sunday, telling an interviewer that “if that’s the worst thing somebody can say to me” then “I’m going to be a heck of a good president.”
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The Huckabee equivalent of "We can't have illegals, I'm running for president for God's sake!"
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Yeah the only way Clinton should bring up Iraq is in terms of "My decision was based on intelligence from Bush's handpicked administration which turned out to be an intentional deception."
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lol If pointing out I'm selling a fake diabetes cure is the worst they can say about me (it's not), I'll be great as President! Neo Rasa posted:Yeah the only way Clinton should bring up Iraq is in terms of "My decision was based on intelligence from Bush's handpicked administration which turned out to be an intentional deception." A lie Jeb just admitted he would perpetrate himself! site fucked around with this message at 21:54 on May 10, 2015 |
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Are there any good summaries documenting how that was intentional? I have a couple of articles that were linked here before about how the people in charge wanted to get back into an Iraq war for quite some time, but nothing that really connects the dots that I can show to people who go "well whoops guess there weren't any WMDs!"
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I admire his honesty/gumption. Doubling down on his brother's policies is a bold strategy. I wonder if this could result in lower poll numbers and a huge backpedal.
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End of Life Guy posted:I admire his honesty/gumption. Doubling down on his brother's policies is a bold strategy. I wonder if this could result in lower poll numbers and a huge backpedal. Not at this point. It's really too early to give a gently caress and Jeb knows it. He's just got to keep his nose clean and let the clown-car burn themselves out before anything he says will actually affect his chances. Now, if he repeats this point after the idiot brigade has all fallen to self-inflicted wounds he might end up wanting to backpedal, but only then.
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ohgodwhat posted:Are there any good summaries documenting how that was intentional? I have a couple of articles that were linked here before about how the people in charge wanted to get back into an Iraq war for quite some time, but nothing that really connects the dots that I can show to people who go "well whoops guess there weren't any WMDs!" Google "Iraq intelligence work group stove piping" and you should have a good start. They created a special group paralleling the work of the intelligence community that, rather then being reviewed and checked by the experts, went straight to the White House. The group was filled with think tank apparatchiks instead of intelligence people, and somehow what they found in the course of their amateur sleuthing exactly matched what they had written policy papers on before. Then when r intelligence community did check their work and found it was bullshit, it didn't matter because theirs was in desks months ago and was already being used in media appearances Also run through "Downing Street memo" and "Judith Miller New York Times"
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Gyges posted:
Have you read this thread? People were saying that voting for the war means she deserves war criminal status. However, the only people it's likely to actually resonate with is us.
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Fried Chicken posted:Google "Iraq intelligence work group stove piping" and you should have a good start. They created a special group paralleling the work of the intelligence community that, rather then being reviewed and checked by the experts, went straight to the White House. The group was filled with think tank apparatchiks instead of intelligence people, and somehow what they found in the course of their amateur sleuthing exactly matched what they had written policy papers on before. Then when r intelligence community did check their work and found it was bullshit, it didn't matter because theirs was in desks months ago and was already being used in media appearances Anecdotally, I can say that this was going on as late as 2008. Working in the field, we were often prompted to find evidence of a reality that the administration wanted to be true, rather than what was actually true. We called it "Faith Based Intelligence." For instance, we were often required to ask our contacts about absurd things like the location of fissile material in Iraq. It was incredibly frustrating, especially when we were returning good intelligence that was ignored.
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