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I don't understand how that gender swap works at all.
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# ? May 9, 2015 15:36 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:I don't understand how that gender swap works at all. It's a dude
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# ? May 9, 2015 16:33 |
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:lol Strange/Fake Saber is actually Richard Lionheart instead of Proto-Arthur Until I looked up Strange/Fake, I thought this was referring to the Grand Order Popsicle Saber. That'd take a hell of a lot of explaining.
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# ? May 9, 2015 18:50 |
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AlternateNu posted:That was the fan theory I've heard. Fun enough, the OVA for Carnival Phantasm has a skit with a giant Grail-possessed Illya bemoaning her lost route. Mercifully, the abandoned route wasn't THAT kind of route. It was just an "explore her backstory" route; most of which ended up going into Heaven's Feel.
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# ? May 9, 2015 21:27 |
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Ilya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78EKF80QhGo
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# ? May 9, 2015 21:52 |
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I guess some folks (not here) are complaining that Shirou didn't replicate the sword rain itself, and instead just traced one sword at a time. That's essentially how they handled the Gil vs. Shirou fight in the DEEN movie which of course sucked, so I hope that's not an indication as to how they will handle it here.
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# ? May 10, 2015 12:59 |
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It... kinda makes sense though? Shirou is still inexperienced with this ability of his. Hopefully we get sword rain in Gil v. Shirou.
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# ? May 10, 2015 13:07 |
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Nate RFB posted:I guess some folks (not here) are complaining that Shirou didn't replicate the sword rain itself, and instead just traced one sword at a time. That's essentially how they handled the Gil vs. Shirou fight in the DEEN movie which of course sucked, so I hope that's not an indication as to how they will handle it here.
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# ? May 10, 2015 13:14 |
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Yea, you don't just start off completely imitating an attack like that, especially in Shirou's state. Starting off by working to make the individual swords faster and faster makes more sense than instantly being able to copy the entirety of Archer's version of "Gate of Babylon".
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# ? May 10, 2015 13:15 |
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The problem is that they aren't really making clear the significance of what is happening here. One moment Archer is verbally telling us that Shirou is at his limit, then Shirou seems to be doing pretty much the same thing he did before again. Make a sword, hit something breaking the sword, rinse, repeat. It doesn't seem like anything new. Worse Archer's inability to finish the job now seems inexplicable. Suddenly Rin is captured? How? Why? This really wasn't a good episode.
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# ? May 10, 2015 13:18 |
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Schubalts posted:Yea, you don't just start off completely imitating an attack like that, especially in Shirou's state. Starting off by working to make the individual swords faster and faster makes more sense than instantly being able to copy the entirety of Archer's version of "Gate of Babylon". Personally I think ufotable likes the material too much that they'd hold back during one of the biggest fights in the franchise, and maybe Shirou did reproduce the rain but they didn't show it so that they can save it for an oh poo poo moment during Shirou vs. Gil.
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# ? May 10, 2015 13:33 |
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I thought it was cool as we saw how Shirou can scan a sword instantly and then immediately project it again and again.
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# ? May 10, 2015 16:57 |
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Fangz posted:The problem is that they aren't really making clear the significance of what is happening here. One moment Archer is verbally telling us that Shirou is at his limit, then Shirou seems to be doing pretty much the same thing he did before again. Make a sword, hit something breaking the sword, rinse, repeat. It doesn't seem like anything new. Worse Archer's inability to finish the job now seems inexplicable. Suddenly Rin is captured? How? Why? The way I see it is, Shirou was desperate and needed a way out. He lucked out, and collapsed Unlimited Blade Works via his innate connection to it. Forcefully tearing it apart because of two wills acting on it. Can't have two people driving a plane an one going hard left and the other hard right. Breaking reality knocked everybody out, and the Archer just grabbed Rin, because well, he summoned UBW in the first place, and he was aware of it's imminent dispelling, and how to deal with the feedback. As for not finishing the job... *shrug* Might be simple as he's starting to have second thoughts that killing Shirou is the right way to go about it. Hence the mano a mano fight to work things out and figure out if it's truly what he wants. And since he KNOWS Shirou is going to show up, and that there's little to no chance of interference from Saber in it, he's confident he can end it then if it is. Also, story conventions. Shirou is the protagonist, and the story is not over. Dying in a final battle versus Archer is one thing, but getting stabbed in the face while he's knocked out? Nah...
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# ? May 10, 2015 20:49 |
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Repster posted:The way I see it is, Shirou was desperate and needed a way out. He lucked out, and collapsed Unlimited Blade Works via his innate connection to it. Forcefully tearing it apart because of two wills acting on it. Can't have two people driving a plane an one going hard left and the other hard right. Breaking reality knocked everybody out, and the Archer just grabbed Rin, because well, he summoned UBW in the first place, and he was aware of it's imminent dispelling, and how to deal with the feedback. I'm not saying the story should have ended with Shirou dying. I'm saying the way it's depicted in the anime is awkward as hell. They should have supplied the connective tissue to make it all make sense, not go 'oops this can't end right here, expeditious retreat!!!'.
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# ? May 10, 2015 20:57 |
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The ending of this episode was pretty awkward writing-wise, but Archer doesn't actually want to kill Shirou. Since this is the TM thread, I'll go full spoilers: Archer's motivation isn't 'I want Shirou to die.' His motivation is self-punishment taken literally. Archer hates himself. Shirou is himself. He doesn't want to just kill Shirou, he wants to break Shirou, show him how utterly meaningless his ideal is. Just punking him wouldn't accomplish that. If Archer's motivation was Shirou's death, then there were a thousand opportunities in every route for him to just stab Shirou in the back and be done with it. 'His anger is probably directed at himself.' It's a specific line about his yelling in that scene but it also explains a lot of Archer's actions. More than that, Saber points out that this won't actually erase Archer's existence, and Archer deflects the question by going 'well, you don't know for sure,' but at the end of the day he almost certainly does realize it won't erase his existence. He's not doing it to kill himself, or kill Shirou. He's doing it to punish himself by punishing Shirou. If he just stabs Shirou, then what has he accomplished? Nothing at all. He needs to beat Shirou down until he realizes the futility of his actions and how meaningless his ideal is. Betraying Rin for Caster, kidnapping Rin later, and letting Shirou live - those are the kind of things that don't make sense if his goal is Shirou's death, but do make sense if his goal is Shirou's frustration and grief. quote:"I'm just taking my anger out on a kid called Emiya Shirou, the one who will become a clown as a result of his stupid ideal." Endorph fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 10, 2015 |
# ? May 10, 2015 21:06 |
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Silver2195 posted:Exactly. I'll discuss this in more detail in Type-Moon General. Continuing a discussion from the UBW anime thread about non-Western heroes: EMIYA is Japanese. Sasaki Kojiro is Japanese. (Apocrypha spoilers) Shirou Amakusa is Japanese, and was summoned in the Third War, before Darnic modified the Grail. The Grail doesn't seem to have much of a problem summoning Japanese Heroic Spirits. On the the other hand, there aren't any Chinese or Indian Servants in Fuyuki Grail Wars that we know about, although the Moon Cell Grail War has a bunch, and Apocrypha has one. There still don't seem to be any Servants from sub-Saharan Africa or the Americas, though.
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# ? May 11, 2015 02:31 |
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In b4 Shaka Zulu ransa
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# ? May 11, 2015 11:44 |
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Silver2195 posted:Continuing a discussion from the UBW anime thread about non-Western heroes: Sasaki Kojiro isn't a heroic spirit.
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# ? May 11, 2015 12:02 |
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He's not even Kojiro either.
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# ? May 11, 2015 12:11 |
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:He's not even Kojiro either.
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# ? May 11, 2015 14:55 |
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And most of the Mutants in X-Men are American, it's just because the author is Japanese so we're guaranteed some Japanese Heroic Spirits.
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# ? May 11, 2015 15:00 |
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Flatt is my favorite type/moon character
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# ? May 11, 2015 16:37 |
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Berserker Jack the Ripper is cool but it would kick rear end if El-Melloi actually gave him the catalyst for Iskander because they would be my favorite Master/Servant pair ever
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# ? May 11, 2015 16:39 |
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Another chapter of the Fate/Strange Fake manga was released. http://www.mangachapter.me/43462/fatestrange-fake/3.html Man, Berserker's Master is... Can't say I like him, people who say Shirou is dumb have not met Flat. It was great to see Waver again though. Compendium fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 11, 2015 |
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Compendium posted:Another chapter of the Fate/Strange Fake manga was released. I like how this manga posits that yeah, the superpowers drat well will in fact employ their own magi to further geopolitical interest.
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# ? May 11, 2015 19:42 |
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Oh my god how did this kid live this long in the Association? I can't wait to see his dreams utterly smashed. I have to say that this idea for Jack is about 100 times better than loli Jack from Apochrypha, thank god.
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# ? May 11, 2015 20:46 |
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legoman727 posted:Oh my god how did this kid live this long in the Association? I can't wait to see his dreams utterly smashed. He's a magic genius and he has ultra luck and I guess him and Berserker are gonna be like Waver/Iskander on character development.
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# ? May 11, 2015 21:08 |
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legoman727 posted:Oh my god how did this kid live this long in the Association? I can't wait to see his dreams utterly smashed.
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# ? May 11, 2015 21:13 |
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Hurrr
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# ? May 11, 2015 21:19 |
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It remains cool when a snobby old wizard is cut up by sniper fire. I wonder what evil shenanigans we're up to this time though.
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# ? May 11, 2015 23:12 |
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We've finally found a way to stop the endless multiplication of Sabers. God bless America
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# ? May 12, 2015 03:36 |
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The Sabers will continue multiplying so long as Takeuchi continues working in Type-Moon. In other words, forever.
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# ? May 12, 2015 03:40 |
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F/SF - There's more Sabers incoming and you know it (I know nothing about the series and I know this). As an aside, I just realized the UBW anime is getting perilously close to the Mana Transfer Dolphins. This is gonna get weird one way or another. Comedy option: just have the scene straight from the VN, since it is, as previously stated, hilarious.
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# ? May 13, 2015 21:21 |
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Fade to black and the next scene is Rin raging at Shirou like she did in the VN it'd be great.
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# ? May 13, 2015 21:55 |
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Angry Grimace posted:F/SF - There's more Sabers incoming and you know it (I know nothing about the series and I know this). Apparently there are seven new servants crashing the snowfield grail war so there must deffo be a Saber with them.
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# ? May 13, 2015 22:25 |
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Compendium posted:Fade to black and the next scene is Rin raging at Shirou like she did in the VN it'd be great. Maybe they can finally address why Shiro didn't just go to the drug store for some, er, supplies which would have made it 10 billion times less awkward for everyone involved.
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# ? May 13, 2015 22:28 |
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Angry Grimace posted:Maybe they can finally address why Shiro didn't just go to the drug store for some, er, supplies which would have made it 10 billion times less awkward for everyone involved.
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# ? May 13, 2015 22:29 |
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Endorph posted:shirou: sex... makes babies... *clenches fist* All I'm saying is that some lube, condoms and cigarettes for afterwards would have resulted in 30 less paragraphs of Nasu making mollusk comparisons.
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# ? May 13, 2015 22:31 |
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No it wouldn't, don't lie to yourself.
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# ? May 13, 2015 22:38 |
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Angry Grimace posted:All I'm saying is that some lube, condoms and cigarettes for afterwards would have resulted in 30 less paragraphs of Nasu making mollusk comparisons. But that's the dark ritual that allows Dojo Mode Rin into the real world!
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# ? May 13, 2015 22:38 |