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How are you going to vote on May 7th?
This poll is closed.
Conservative 72 6.22%
Labour 410 35.41%
Liberal Democrat 46 3.97%
UKIP 69 5.96%
Green 199 17.18%
SNP 121 10.45%
DUP 0 0%
Sinn Fein 35 3.02%
Plaid Cymru 20 1.73%
Respect 3 0.26%
Monster Raving Loony 56 4.84%
BNP 23 1.99%
Some flavour of socialist party 37 3.20%
Some flavour of communist party 27 2.33%
Independent 3 0.26%
Other 37 3.20%
Total: 1158 votes
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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

lmaoboy1998 posted:

All the Swiss people on SA have a pathological need to pretend they're not from Switzerland

The shy Swiss effect.

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JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
self hating swiss

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012
It's their gnome heritage that makes them want a low profile.

Larry_Mullet
Sep 8, 2012

CoolCab posted:

because if you had the equivalent of a pack a day cannabis habit cancer is the least of your worries

No, it's pretty high up there.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I'm shy about my voting intentions. It's not just Tories.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Larry_Mullet posted:

No, it's pretty high up there.

Though arguably your ability to worry about it would be somewhat hampered.

oliwan
Jul 20, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
please dont let the "oliwan is swiss" meme spread to d&d. its not a very good meme.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I don't really know where to post this but it's so bad I wanted to share- I'm having a fb argument with someone who insists that misandry is real and institutional and etc. When asked for some evidence of systemic instances of man-hatred and violence, he offered this:

http://worldsweburntogether.tumblr.com/post/23307271154/12-pieces-of-hard-proof-systemic-misandry-exists

I'd quote the best ones but I don't even know where to start.

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer

oliwan posted:

its not a very good meme.

Whose fault is that, I wonder?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Coohoolin posted:

I don't really know where to post this but it's so bad I wanted to share- I'm having a fb argument with someone who insists that misandry is real and institutional and etc. When asked for some evidence of systemic instances of man-hatred and violence, he offered this:

I've never had an argument on Facebook.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Coohoolin posted:

I don't really know where to post this but it's so bad I wanted to share- I'm having a fb argument
could keep it on Facebook?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I'm angry at the results but as an englishman watching from scotland I also understand them. There just isn't a legitimate alternative to the tories in England. Don't get me wrong the current tory establishment is probably the most incompetent between Gove, Lansley, Osborne and IDS (or basically just any cabinet minister) but Labour didn't look reliable and positioned themselves as a moderate flavour of tory which is what the tories were already positioning themselves as.
If the choice at the ballot was between the current government (which gets a passive bonus to legitimacy checks) and Ed Miliband saying he could do the same job the same but nicer, its clear which appears the safer choice.

Still it annoys me to see the same arguments between people on Facebook and some here when they try and attack tory policies by talking about lefty things when the angle of attack should have always been the collosal failure of the Cameron administration to accomplish any of their goals or be remotely economically competent.

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011

Coohoolin posted:

I don't really know where to post this but it's so bad I wanted to share- I'm having a fb argument with someone who insists that misandry is real and institutional and etc. When asked for some evidence of systemic instances of man-hatred and violence, he offered this:

http://worldsweburntogether.tumblr.com/post/23307271154/12-pieces-of-hard-proof-systemic-misandry-exists

I'd quote the best ones but I don't even know where to start.

Wow, that's nearly as bad as this political party:

https://j4mb.wordpress.com

Incidentally, I'm pretty certain I'm on a watch list now for googling "men and boys party".

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
But fastest growing economy in Europe*!!!!!

*because we poo poo the bed in the first half of the government and thus have room to catch up

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Didn't really post about it at the time but what a loving election to watch though, horrible, inevitable result but really entertaining stuff and you've gotta appreciate that.

A smaller party with grass roots support taking the entirety of Scotland from an entrenched establishment. I got to see Jim Murphy get obliterated by some random young lady and try to stay calm.

Vince Cable looking like he'd just come back from the Somme. Danny Alexander getting his stupid baby face pushed in.

David Cameron's opponents all lining up and commiting seppuku, basically every single TV personality not from the tories going down in one night.

Ed "loving" Balls! His face! Yes! With Ed Balls and Miliband gone Labour can start the long process of failing to reform itself away from Brownism which it should have started in 2010. (It'll now take another five years before they fail at Blairism too and the healing can begin, barring any major fuckups by Cameron)

The only thing that ruins it is that somehow IDS and Gove still have their jobs.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Coohoolin posted:

I don't really know where to post this but it's so bad I wanted to share- I'm having a fb argument with someone who insists that misandry is real and institutional and etc. When asked for some evidence of systemic instances of man-hatred and violence, he offered this:

http://worldsweburntogether.tumblr.com/post/23307271154/12-pieces-of-hard-proof-systemic-misandry-exists

I'd quote the best ones but I don't even know where to start.

I am convinced by this evidence and have decided to become a misandrist. The person you are arguing with is right.

oliwan
Jul 20, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo

nopantsjack posted:

Didn't really post about it at the time but what a loving election to watch though, horrible, inevitable result but really entertaining stuff and you've gotta appreciate that.

A smaller party with grass roots support taking the entirety of Scotland from an entrenched establishment. I got to see Jim Murphy get obliterated by some random young lady and try to stay calm.

Vince Cable looking like he'd just come back from the Somme. Danny Alexander getting his stupid baby face pushed in.

David Cameron's opponents all lining up and commiting seppuku, basically every single TV personality not from the tories going down in one night.

Ed "loving" Balls! His face! Yes! With Ed Balls and Miliband gone Labour can start the long process of failing to reform itself away from Brownism which it should have started in 2010. (It'll now take another five years before they fail at Blairism too and the healing can begin, barring any major fuckups by Cameron)

The only thing that ruins it is that somehow IDS and Gove still have their jobs.

the lives of millions of people will be ruined or close to ruin. haha yeah super entertaining for sure!

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Dan Jarvis has said he won't be running for the Labour leadership: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dan-jarvis-says-wont-run-5675484

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
here is an old video of michael gove falling over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAqyf7a4xFM

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Coohoolin posted:

I don't really know where to post this but it's so bad I wanted to share- I'm having a fb argument with someone who insists that misandry is real and institutional and etc. When asked for some evidence of systemic instances of man-hatred and violence, he offered this:

http://worldsweburntogether.tumblr.com/post/23307271154/12-pieces-of-hard-proof-systemic-misandry-exists

I'd quote the best ones but I don't even know where to start.
The whole thing seems to be some sort of elaborate category error which does mention some valid points but then goes in completely the wrong way.

Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime than women, but it's not gangs of roving feminists that are committing them.

The criminal justice system does seem to treat men (especially poor and non-white men) disproportionately badly, but that's not because it has been infected with Marxist feminist thinking, but because it is built on a bunch of old white men, and there have been famous legal arguments that rest on women lacking the agency to be criminals.

I'd like to see more of a movement to address these things, but all existing 'men's movements' seem to be based on shitbags blaming feminists for everything. Some people say that feminism itself is the correct movement to address them, but feminism has lots of other priorities at the moment, which is fair play, and I don't see it as my place to demand that they start assigning greater priority to these issues.

I'm not sure what the correct solutions are (e: other than full communism, of course), but MRAs, 'meninism', and shouting misandry aren't them.

Pork Pie Hat posted:

Incidentally, I'm pretty certain I'm on a watch list now for googling "men and boys party".
If you become a Tory MP as a result I'm pretty sure you're banned from the thread.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 21:28 on May 10, 2015

hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

Bozza posted:

Lets move onto important matters: Glasgow Goon Meet - 6th June?
Sounds good, I'm in.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo
My mate interviewed Mike Buchanan from J4MB for his podcast, it's quite entertaining and a bit eye-opening: http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2015/03/be-reasonable-episode-026-mike-buchanan/

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

I dunno why we're talking about the shy Tory effect like it's a bad thing, it sounds more like a credit to British society.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Is anyone having the same problem with bbc iPlayer I am? Was out earlier but wanted to watch Sunday Politics but its only the regional bits on there. As exciting as Derbyshire or Norfolk can be, I wanted to watch the main thing. Did something epic happen like old Brilliant Pad stabbing someone?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Peel posted:

I dunno why we're talking about the shy Tory effect like it's a bad thing, it sounds more like a credit to British society.
To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type of Toryism.

Mr. Gibbycrumbles
Aug 30, 2004

Do you think your paladin sword can defeat me?

En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style

quote:

“I don’t really care about the repercussions. I don’t earn a fortune and this might be the death of my business but so be it. Sometimes you have to just stand up and say what you believe in.”

:allears:

oliwan
Jul 20, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
Tories are shy because voting tory basically means gently caress you got mine and that is rude to say in public.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Not sure how much of this is :tinfoil: but it's an interesting read.

https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-big-money-and-big-brother-won-the-british-elections-2e8da57faac4

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Guavanaut posted:

The whole thing seems to be some sort of elaborate category error which does mention some valid points but then goes in completely the wrong way.

When your list of "12 pieces of hard proof that [something] exists" starts with "1. The thing exists, no evidence given" it's fairly obvious you're in for a rough ride.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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See as much as I like the whole "haha, gently caress you for voting tory" thing, it doesn't exactly stop the persecution complex that the people who voted for them have.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Josef bugman posted:

See as much as I like the whole "haha, gently caress you for voting tory" thing, it doesn't exactly stop the persecution complex that the people who voted for them have.

Considering they just voted for a party that wants to in effect persecute the poor, gently caress 'em.

It's not as if UKMT is meant to be a hub of reconciliation between right and left. It's a bunch of angry/disillusioned leftists being angry and disillusioned.

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011

Oberleutnant posted:

here is an old video of michael gove falling over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAqyf7a4xFM

I'll see your Gove falls over, and raise you that time Gove was in a film with Christopher Lee.

http://youtu.be/_auQPmnh1q8

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

This thread isn't the Tory Boy Conversion Station.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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forkboy84 posted:

Considering they just voted for a party that wants to in effect persecute the poor, gently caress 'em.

Its still a lot of people, some of whom may need convincing by not laughing at them. I have a friend who voted tory (yes I have 2) who said that she felt spoken down to by Labour over her disabled brother and that she didn't feel the same with David Cameron because he at least had suffered something alongside it. Personally I have tried to convince her otherwise of a great deal of stuff but pointing and loving laughing about it doesn't loving work.

Not least because "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" may be just as easily put in place in this instance.

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Which one of you stupid fuckers is this?

Kaislioc
Feb 14, 2008
On election day, one friend cried to me: “I can’t believe I’m a Tory – I hate myself.”

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Okay this 50 shades of grey thing has gone way too far now.

Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!

Labour lost because they have next to no credibility with the non-die hard Labour supporters. The centrist swing voters didn't choose the Conservatives because they liked them they chose the Conservatives because they were the best of a bad bunch.

Unless the Labour party finds credibility from some where they will lose more elections.

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer

quote:

The problem is that these ‘secret Tories’ are plagued by the deeply-rooted stereotype that all young people are leftie activists, and anyone who isn’t must be a 'posh racist who hates poor people'.

But it’s just that – a stereotype.

Michael Sani, CEO of Bite The Ballot, a campaign that encourages young people to vote, stresses: “It’s a false assumption that young people are left-wing". He explains that it's possible to be progressive, whether you're right of left wing (or somewhere in the middle).

Isn't right-wing progressivism commonly called "neoconservatism"?

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LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Good news - IDS will remain at the DWP to complete the rollout of universal credit!

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