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GlyphGryph posted:Reading the news of various websites definitely gives the feeling a chunk of the media really really doesn't seem to like the idea these cops might be charged any more than the cops do. A lot of crime reporters spend all their time talking to police and tend to slowly adopt the idea that suspects are all inhuman scum who must be stomped out by our brave, brave officers.
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GlyphGryph posted:At least they haven't been as bad as fox, bringing on "anonymous sources" to make up bullshit fantasy stories that don't even agree with each other. At least we got to see two different Fox shows with different "anonymous sources" contradict each other within the span of an hour.
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Thesaurasaurus posted:Well hey, he's not wrong. If it weren't for the recent massive public outcry against police brutality, this probably would have been swept under the rug as usual. Hah, yep. I hoped someone would remark on that irony.
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PostNouveau posted:A lot of crime reporters spend all their time talking to police and tend to slowly adopt the idea that suspects are all inhuman scum who must be stomped out by our brave, brave officers. Erin Burnett comes off like that.
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Agrajag posted:Erin Burnett comes off like that. Didn't she previously give softball interviews to CEOs on CNBC?
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May 9, 2015 05:27
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I wonder how many of these people who unwaveringly support the police in all this would still do so if their local police union had a collective bargaining dispute with the city, or if it demanded additional mental health services to be paid for by the taxpayers? They'd probably be "socialist commie scum" within seconds.
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St. Dogbert posted:I wonder how many of these people who unwaveringly support the police in all this would still do so if their local police union had a collective bargaining dispute with the city, or if it demanded additional mental health services to be paid for by the taxpayers? Most of them, probably. Police unions are generally seen as "one of the good ones". Even Scott Walker exempted police unions from his union-killing efforts.
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DaveWoo posted:Even Scott Walker exempted police unions from his union-killing efforts. He cant wait to fulfill his fantasy of joining the Big Game and having some (he hopes) control over the various pieces of the Shadow State. http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...7cb61f0510.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...s_fighting.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/02/21/what_scott_walker_actually_said_125690.html quote:Gov. Scott Walker told thousands of conservative activists Thursday that his experience standing up to 100,000 protesters in 2011 has prepared him to face the threat posed by Islamic State terrorists. quote:Noteworthy, Walker argued that when Reagan fired the PATCO air-traffic controllers over their illegal strike, he was sending a message of toughness to Democrats and unions at home as well as our Soviet enemies abroad. Similarly, Walker believes his stance against unions in Wisconsin would be a signal of toughness to Islamic jihadists and Russia's Vladimir Putin. Using force requires willing lackeys. The police are the only force bearing lackeys someone like Walker can get so far. He thinks that by beating down US citizens he is "sending a message to Putin". He insane, and a piece of poo poo. So basically an insane piece of poo poo. Of course he "supports" modern police unions.
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FRINGE posted:He cant wait to fulfill his fantasy of joining the Big Game and having some (he hopes) control over the various pieces of the Shadow State. Can Walker melt steel beams with his jet fuel?
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Series DD Funding posted:Can Walker melt steel beams with his jet fuel?  Yeah drones dont exist and the US has never taken off-the-record hostile actions anywhere on the planet. Youre a loving idiot. For anyone not brain damaged: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community quote:The Washington Post reported in 2010 that there were 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies in 10,000 locations in the United States that are working on counterterrorism, homeland security, and intelligence, and that the intelligence community as a whole includes 854,000 people holding top-secret clearances. According to a 2008 study by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, private contractors make up 29% of the workforce in the U.S. intelligence community and cost the equivalent of 49% of their personnel budgets. The machine is large. FRINGE fucked around with this message at 03:34 on May 10, 2015 |
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so can someone who understands "the law" explain to me how a prosecutor seeking a conviction has a conflict of interest? Are prosecutors only supposed to seek convictions against people they don't want convicted, because otherwise it would hurt the feelings of the accused which is a punishment worse than having your spine 80% severed?
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:so can someone who understands "the law" explain to me how a prosecutor seeking a conviction has a conflict of interest? Are prosecutors only supposed to seek convictions against people they don't want convicted, because otherwise it would hurt the feelings of the accused which is a punishment worse than having your spine 80% severed?
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Also I went onto Officer Down Memorial Page and looked up the two negligent discharge incidents. One of them was in Ocala (I play airsoft there a few times a year), where another officer I guess had a finger on the trigger while standing around in a training exercise and shot him in the side where his vest has no armor. The other was in Mississippi, where the victim was roleplaying as a knife-armed suspect; the officer being trained hadn't checked to see that his gun was unloaded and proved that he could hit a target on the first shot.
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air on this current mess 25 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bluQNcAjOA
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FRINGE posted:
Tell me about the shadow state? Are they in league with the grays or the reptoids? I trust you've done much research!
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chitoryu12 posted:Also I went onto Officer Down Memorial Page and looked up the two negligent discharge incidents. One of them was in Ocala (I play airsoft there a few times a year), where another officer I guess had a finger on the trigger while standing around in a training exercise and shot him in the side where his vest has no armor. The other was in Mississippi, where the victim was roleplaying as a knife-armed suspect; the officer being trained hadn't checked to see that his gun was unloaded and proved that he could hit a target on the first shot.  Then I guess subtract two from that total. The cops cant even avoid killing each other.
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Pegged Lamb posted:The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air on this current mess 25 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bluQNcAjOA
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:so can someone who understands "the law" explain to me how a prosecutor seeking a conviction has a conflict of interest? Are prosecutors only supposed to seek convictions against people they don't want convicted, because otherwise it would hurt the feelings of the accused which is a punishment worse than having your spine 80% severed? Judge who frequently rules against the prosecution and who is frequently papered by the state gets charged with a DUI. The prosecutor would be at least perceived as giving a worse deals and be less likely to dismiss a weak case because the judge has ruled against them. Similarly, someone accused of attacking a prosecutor would probably move for recusal. They are claiming this is somehow similar. That the prosecutor is bringing this case, despite being weak, to solely gain political points. If that was the reason, recusal would be proper, but it doesn't seem that is actually true.
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Officer Down thankfully lists them separately from actual homicides. A quick count for the current year gives me 9 deaths definitely caused through an attempt to harm or kill (8 were gunshots and 1 was a guy who got beat up back in 2005 and died of complications from becoming a quadriplegic recently). That gives 33 deaths from accidents or illness (including loving 11 heart attacks), if you don't count the officer crashing during a car chase to be homicide like it legally would probably be counted.
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nm posted:They are claiming this is somehow similar. That the prosecutor is bringing this case, despite being weak, to solely gain political points. If that was the reason, recusal would be proper, but it doesn't seem that is actually true. Where prosecutors are elected, by this logic, how could they practice at all?
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CNN reports that "BREAKING NEWS, 2 police officers shot in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, official says. Reports say both officers have died." No other info yet.
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:so can someone who understands "the law" explain to me how a prosecutor seeking a conviction has a conflict of interest? Are prosecutors only supposed to seek convictions against people they don't want convicted, because otherwise it would hurt the feelings of the accused which is a punishment worse than having your spine 80% severed? When an Assistant District Attorney takes on a cop case vigorously police will literally do a work slowdown on their pending cases to gently caress up their careers.
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hobbesmaster posted:Where prosecutors are elected, by this logic, how could they practice at all? Please see the words "weak case" and "solely."
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:Meanwhile, adventures in civil forfeiture, DEA-style: quote:“We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Waite said. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”
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Vahakyla posted:No other info yet.
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Popoi posted:This really seems like the kind of thing that should provoke some serious reflection once you've said it out loud.
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nm posted:Here would be a classic conflict where reusing the prosecutor would be proper: Thank you. I understand this is mostly a PR game at this point but I couldn't put together a situation of conflict of interest of some sort other than possibly bringing a case against a relative/spouse.
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Vahakyla posted:CNN reports that "BREAKING NEWS, 2 police officers shot in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, official says. Reports say both officers have died." http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/10/us/mississippi-police-officers-shot-dead/ here's a more recent article.
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DaveWoo posted:Most of them, probably. Police unions are generally seen as "one of the good ones". and the madison police protested alongside other union members in a show of solidarity.
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I walked through the Jean-Michel Basquiat exhibit in Toronto last night. Police brutality was a theme in several of his works, depicting incidents virtually identical to what we've seen in the past year. Those works were over 30 years old. Pretty loving demoralizing. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Stewart - the same old story, 1983 style. Demonizing the victim, possible strangulation, lack of care for the victim between arrest and delivery to the hospital.
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Vahakyla posted:CNN reports that "BREAKING NEWS, 2 police officers shot in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, official says. Reports say both officers have died." There's a notorious gunslinger from Hattiesberg that will probably be brought in for questioning. 
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Branis posted:and the madison police protested alongside other union members in a show of solidarity. Until their supposed solidarity was tested on Free Speech Fridays and found wanting. You're not really down with the cause if you're out there locking people up for lawful activities.
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MoJo jumped in the pool. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/american-society-police-state-criminalization-militarization quote:How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter
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FRINGE posted:MoJo jumped in the pool. Pretty sure the moment a person can get his door kicked in and have a dog maul his face for burning a motherfucking tree in a motherfucking barrel instead of getting a motherfucking citation/promise to appear notice is a huge flag.
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FRINGE posted:MoJo jumped in the pool.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Good, relevant article, but just an FYI: it's from 2013. At least it still fits in 2015.  quote:The term "police state" was once brushed off by mainstream intellectuals as the hyperbole of paranoids. Not so much anymore. Even in the tweediest precincts of the legal system, the over-criminalization of American life is remarked upon with greater frequency and intensity. "You're probably a (federal) criminal" is the accusatory title of a widely read essay co-authored by Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th Circuit of the US Court of Appeals. A Republican appointee, Kozinski surveys the morass of criminal laws that make virtually every American an easy target for law enforcement. Veteran defense lawyer Harvey Silverglate has written an entire book about how an average American professional could easily commit three felonies in a single day without knowing it.
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Hmm I wonder how it got that way? Oh that's right statists on both the left and the right who'd rather give up essential liberty so they can lie to themselves that they are secure, free, and happy. I was under the impression that the statist thing was usually referring to supporters of the federal government. Police departments are hyper-loving-local. Are you sure you don't mean authoritarians or something? Edit: Municipalitists?
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