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Prop Wash posted:The goon was mad because the kickstarter was likely already 100% privately funded and going to come out regardless of how much or little money made it into the kickstarter, which is a lovely thing if you're hiding it but in the case of Yooka Laylee they're pretty up front about it. So you're basically just pre-ordering a game through a website, but there is a point to be made that maybe Kickstarter shouldn't just be a glorified pre-order website for the big players. And I don't get why the fact that it's already funded should be a controversial point. If they can get extra funding to make a better game, they should be all the more for it. Plus, the fact they say, "We plan on using personal finances", makes it sound like they're going to put mortgages on their everything and pray to god that people like their game. And at this point, it seems unnecessarily risky.
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Noyemi K posted:I'm surprised these people are able to bilk so much out of an economically strained population. Its the upper class who are creating the economic strain. They've got money to burn. Nagato posted:Banjo Kazooie was great, but I'm kind of stunned that hundreds of people paid $500 for a souvenir of a spinoff game, 15 people paid $5k each to cameo in it, and 10 people paid $8k to listen to Banjo Kazooie music being played by an orchestra. Unironically this is the reality of kickstarter.
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May 8, 2015 18:38
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Paul Zuvella posted:. StarCitizen.txt
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May 8, 2015 18:46
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Edward_Tohr posted:To be fair, I'd rather give my money to the guys who are openly fleecing me than repeat the "We got more than ten times our funding goal, so let's ask for even more money, then get another publisher on-board to cut our costs further" fiasco from Mighty Number 9. Didn't know they also had two more pushes for 200k each in 2014. That's pretty gross. From wikipedia: " On 6 July 2014, there was another crowd funding campaign for bonus content. The first stretch goal is to raise $200,000 for full English voice acting in the game.[18] On 30 October 2014, Comcept asked via their kickstarter page for an additional $198,000 to complete a DLC stage introducing Beck's rival: Ray.[19]"
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May 8, 2015 19:01
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Zaphod42 posted:Its the upper class who are creating the economic strain. They've got money to burn. Ah yeah, makes sense
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May 8, 2015 19:01
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yeah man how dare those guys ask for money?
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May 8, 2015 19:02
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Sleeveless posted:He stopped posting after he got chased out of YCS for stealing their jokes in his reviews but he still shows up in the "Members Browsing..." forum lists every now and then. Why do you even know this?
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May 8, 2015 23:28
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NESguerilla posted:Why do you even know this? Yahtzee was a known YCS poster at the time, he had a thread in there when his reviews blew up and everything
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May 9, 2015 01:02
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The thing about the Yooka Laylee Kickstarter is that people bitch "Its already made and funded why do we pay for this." And a minute later, for another kickstarter they go "You have nothing to show us why would we pay you!?" It's quite amusing.
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May 9, 2015 01:18
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Michaellaneous posted:The thing about the Yooka Laylee Kickstarter is that people bitch "Its already made and funded why do we pay for this."
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May 9, 2015 02:25
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Michaellaneous posted:The thing about the Yooka Laylee Kickstarter is that people bitch "Its already made and funded why do we pay for this." How droll. How utterly mirthful. What fools these children are. -strokes beard thoughtfully, imagining one's self to sound like a cool wizard like Gandalf crossed with a badass kung-fu master like the one from Kill Bill-
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May 9, 2015 02:28
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Michaellaneous posted:The thing about the Yooka Laylee Kickstarter is that people bitch "Its already made and funded why do we pay for this." Perhaps the same could be said of all kickstarters !!
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May 9, 2015 02:41
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Michaellaneous posted:The thing about the Yooka Laylee Kickstarter is that people bitch "Its already made and funded why do we pay for this." I wanna be like Mike.
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May 9, 2015 03:40
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Sleeveless posted:How droll. How utterly mirthful. What fools these children are. sorry your kickstarter didn't get funded, dude
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May 9, 2015 06:29
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Sleeveless posted:How droll. How utterly mirthful. What fools these children are. your posts could use some kickstarting on how to be funny
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Yahtzee was a known YCS poster at the time, he had a thread in there when his reviews blew up and everything Lowtax offered him some tiny amount of money to do his reviews for the front page.
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May 9, 2015 08:58
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Sleeveless posted:Nobody's mad, it's just really funny that they're so openly fleecing people and there are people are so desperate to recapture the fuzzy nostalgia of playing the original games as kids that they're still giving them thousands of dollars anyways. its literally just a project saying "we'll make it anyway from our own pocket, but if people want to donate we can make the game bigger and release it on other platforms which we wouldn't be able to do otherwise" and then people donated. you're getting v mad over something that isn't an issue in even the slightest way
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May 9, 2015 13:21
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Stux posted:its literally just a project saying "we'll make it anyway from our own pocket, but if people want to donate we can make the game bigger and release it on other platforms which we wouldn't be able to do otherwise" and then people donated. you're getting v mad over something that isn't an issue in even the slightest way
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May 9, 2015 13:47
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I mean, if we are fair here, the way Divinty and Yooka Laylee uses Kickstarter was probably not how it was intended in the first place. But then again, everyone could have told them that there are only so few projects who will manage to go from 0 to 100. If you want money, you need something to show. Simply saying "This is my idea and I have done nothing but I need all this" does only work in the rarest of cases. That being said, I think that what they are doing at the moment ("Hey we have all this already, help us make this even better") is the way to go.
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May 9, 2015 14:10
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Sleeveless posted:Nobody's mad, it's just really funny that they're so openly fleecing people and there are people are so desperate to recapture the fuzzy nostalgia of playing the original games as kids that they're still giving them thousands of dollars anyways. The only way I could see them to be fleecing people is if they go ahead and take all the money and don't provide the backer rewards. As it stands, paying the same price at preorder really isn't fleecing in the least. 
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May 9, 2015 15:22
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Nintendo Kid posted:The only way I could see them to be fleecing people is if they go ahead and take all the money and don't provide the backer rewards. That cartoonist who had a successful KS and even had the books printed but then went crazy and burned them all rather than sending them to people has everyone beat, but they were genuinely messed up so I don't think that counts as a scam.
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May 9, 2015 16:16
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:That cartoonist who had a successful KS and even had the books printed but then went crazy and burned them all rather than sending them to people has everyone beat, but they were genuinely messed up so I don't think that counts as a scam. Nah, that cartoonist actually mailed out most of them normally, they only snapped like 2/3 of the way through.
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May 9, 2015 16:18
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I could see people being justifiably mad if big projects like Yooka-Laylee pulled money away from smaller projects, but I'm pretty sure it's been shown that the exact opposite actually happens, in that these larger projects actually drive increased traffic to Kickstarter which benefits everyone.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Nah, that cartoonist actually mailed out most of them normally, they only snapped like 2/3 of the way through.
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This thread is a helluva lot better when it's "check out this insane bullshit that can't possibly work or is an obvious money-laundering scheme" rather than "project I am secretly jealous of" or "project from people I have an irrational hatred for." Yooka-Laylee is a loving great Kickstarter. The kinds of things they're promising to do with the money they're raising seem pretty significant in terms of quality and increasing how much content is in the game. Seeing as how the entire company are veteran game devs and their budget graph looks reasonable, I really have no idea why it was posted here. Let's get this poo poo train rolling again. I submit: CH4, a gadget that will let the world know you are pre-occupied with your own farts. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/963861855/keep-track-of-your-gases-with-ch4?ref=category  quote:In the phone app, you can keep track of the type of foods you eat. You can be as specific as you like, for example you can put down "Broccoli" or just "Salad". The more specific you are, the more accurate your results. ErIog has a new favorite as of 04:43 on May 11, 2015 |
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May 11, 2015 04:35
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I really don't understand kickstarter. If they had a good idea for a game they would get investers or startup capital. It is just wasting your money
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May 11, 2015 04:40
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Its rear end in a top hat who didn't see the .com crash, isn't it.
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May 11, 2015 04:42
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I really don't understand kickstarter.
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May 11, 2015 06:30
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Darkhold posted:It's not hard to understand there's an entire level of games between indie basement startup and AAA developer that has long been a wasteland. How 'good' an idea is has very little to do with if a publisher is interested. They don't want something that costs 3 million and makes 5 million they want something that costs 30 million and makes them 90. I don't get why I should fund it
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May 11, 2015 06:33
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I don't get why I should fund it Then don't. This isn't a hard concept.
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May 11, 2015 06:40
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senrath posted:Then don't. This isn't a hard concept. I don't. I just don't get why other people do. They couldn't get people who are real good with money to pay.
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May 11, 2015 06:43
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Kickstarter is dumb as hell. It is just a waste of money
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May 11, 2015 06:44
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I'm gonna start a kickstarter to help Mumpy Puffinz finish 7th grade
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FirstAidKite posted:I'm gonna start a kickstarter to help Mumpy Puffinz finish 7th grade Trig is hard!
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I don't. I just don't get why other people do. They couldn't get people who are real good with money to pay. So now there are small markets that are being starved for content. If these markets are willing to self fund the content they want it's a good thing. You seem to have some weird just world fallacy when it comes to game development. There's nothing just or logical about the business world.
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May 11, 2015 06:48
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I don't. I just don't get why other people do. They couldn't get people who are real good with money to pay. That's so not true it hurts mate. Jim Sterling has done heaps on this issue. Look at triple A development these days and they're constantly chasing impossible graphics benchmarks they set for themselves and then complaining that they're missing sales targets. There is a mid tier that could badly do with funding but doesn't get it because the only games that exist to people with the big purse strings are CoD, Candy Crush and Clash of Clans. Everything else gets ignored. Guys like Devolver are killing it with a focus on the mid tier, but there's not nearly enough publishers in the space so many devs are forced to bootstrap, unless they go kickstarter
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May 11, 2015 06:50
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Darkhold posted:Because as I said publishers are rarely interested in funding niche games. I've been in plenty of meetings with executives that will casually turn down profitable deals because the margins aren't high enough to take risker deals with a bigger chance of return. They aren't interested in making money they're interested in making the most money. It's not that weird, where is the Double Fine game? I also don't preorder games. What is the best game from Kickstarter you have played?
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May 11, 2015 06:54
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Maluco Marinero posted:That's so not true it hurts mate. Jim Sterling has done heaps on this issue. Look at triple A development these days and they're constantly chasing impossible graphics benchmarks they set for themselves and then complaining that they're missing sales targets. if they had good business model they would have gotten money without asking for it online.
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May 11, 2015 06:55
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:if they had good business model they would have gotten money without asking for it online. This just in, forums post Mumpy Puffinz is the only person in the world to perfectly understand how business works.
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senrath posted:This just in, forums post Mumpy Puffinz is the only person in the world to perfectly understand how business works. asking for money from the internet is not a good model. We learned this in the '90
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