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There always going to be a divide between those who think people should be responsible for their own lives and decisions and those who think the government should provide cradle-to-grave welfare. And insulting the former while providing no supporting arguments for the latter isn't going to do anything to bridge that divide. Unless you think yelling "DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT MOTHERS??" over and over again is an intelligent, thought-provoking argument capable of swaying people who disagree with you. In that case, 
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Irish Joe posted:There always going to be a divide between those who think people should be responsible for their own lives and decisions and those who think the government should provide cradle-to-grave welfare. And insulting the former while providing no supporting arguments for the latter isn't going to do anything to bridge that divide. Your obvious trolling aside, you make it sound like there is a way to sway these people.
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May 11, 2015 16:06
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Bob Balaban was an inspired choice. Nobody can stand there looking confused and bewildered like he can.
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OhYeah posted:I went to the show's facebook page and read the comments. Now I wish I hadn't. So many people yelling stuff like "WHY SHOULD I WORK TWICE AS MUCH SO THAT SOME oval office MOTHER CAN TAKE TIME OFF???". These days if an investment doesn't pay off within 2 years, and at most 5, most business won't touch it.
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Katana Gomai posted:Your obvious trolling aside, you make it sound like there is a way to sway these people. There probably isn't, but the point is that he doesn't even understand what he's arguing or why people disagree with him. His principles aren't well-reasoned. They don't have a deep philosophical basis. His line of reasoning is, basically, "Moms are good. Anything that's good for moms is therefore also good. Ergo, we should do anything that's good for moms regardless of the cost or possible consequences." Even if you agree with his proposed policies, no reasonable person would associate with a man whose thinking is so childishly simplistic.
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May 11, 2015 16:26
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Irish Joe posted:There probably isn't, but the point is that he doesn't even understand what he's arguing or why people disagree with him. His principles aren't well-reasoned. They don't have a deep philosophical basis. I want you to read this and reflect upon yourself. Hopefully for eternity.
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May 11, 2015 17:45
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The only sad this is John didn't cover the Alberta Election where the longest elected government in the world got destroyed.
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Why do you guys keep quoting a guy who clearly gets his jollies trolling this thread?
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zakharov posted:Why do you guys keep quoting a guy who clearly gets his jollies trolling this thread? Not just this thread.
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Another great episode. The continuing resistance in this country to treating workers with respect or any sort of dignity continues to amaze and depress. You'd think paid maternity leave would be the easiest workers protection to push through. Good luck ever increasing the average days of paid leave in this country if you can't even get paid maternity leave.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Another great episode. The continuing resistance in this country to treating workers with respect or any sort of dignity continues to amaze and depress. You'd think paid maternity leave would be the easiest workers protection to push through. Good luck ever increasing the average days of paid leave in this country if you can't even get paid maternity leave. Are you kidding? There is nothing the corporate culture in this country seems to disapprove of more than parenthood. I've had a boss who used the imagined possibility that I might choose to have a child and take time off as the excuse for lovely behavior. I've also had a male coworker with a completely different reporting chain confide that his job was threatened when the tried to take parental leave. This was all within a Fortune 500 company, by the way. I had a major injury while working at the same company and I was treated with so much more decency and respect.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Are you kidding? There is nothing the corporate culture in this country seems to disapprove of more than parenthood. I've had a boss who used the imagined possibility that I might choose to have a child and take time off as the excuse for lovely behavior. This is a big part of why women make less money too.
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Irish Joe posted:There always going to be a divide between those who think people should be responsible for their own lives and decisions and those who think the government should provide cradle-to-grave welfare. And insulting the former while providing no supporting arguments for the latter isn't going to do anything to bridge that divide. Are you just too lazy to read posts in this thread or if not, why don't you address the following three simple points? quote:Uhm, because her baby Demiurge4 posted:These days if an investment doesn't pay off within 2 years, and at most 5, most business won't touch it. Is there anyone who believes that a country should be run like a corporation?
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OhYeah posted:Is there anyone who believes that a country should be run like a corporation? Were you not paying attention to basically every Republican nominee in the last presidential election?
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OhYeah posted:Is there anyone who believes that a country should be run like a corporation? A lot of loving people, have you never heard of new public management?
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May 11, 2015 21:15
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Do they just have a guy employed on their show who only knows how to make mascot costumes?
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May 11, 2015 21:18
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SlothfulCobra posted:Do they just have a guy employed on their show who only knows how to make mascot costumes? They probably just have an art department that likes to have fun.
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OhYeah posted:Are you just too lazy to read posts in this thread or if not, why don't you address the following three simple points? Because the "points" don't address the core of the issue? Its easy, for example, to come up with a list of situations where free speech is more detrimental than limited speech (hate speech, bullying speech, etc), but the fact of the matter is that people support a blanket freedom of speech because they don't want the government dictating capriciously what's good speech and what's bad speech. Here we have a case where you're asking the government to step in and say it'll pay women not to work. What triggers that benefit, what's the extent of that right, what will prevent abuse, how will the system support the cost, what will stop the government from adding similar benefits to other groups in the future, etc, etc, etc. Isn't it simpler, safer and a lot more fair to everybody to say, simply, "you make the choice not to work, you don't get paid. Period." ?
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Irish Joe posted:Because the "points" don't address the core of the issue? Its easy, for example, to come up with a list of situations where free speech is more detrimental than limited speech (hate speech, bullying speech, etc), but the fact of the matter is that people support a blanket freedom of speech because they don't want the government dictating capriciously what's good speech and what's bad speech. Here we have a case where you're asking the government to step in and say it'll pay women not to work. What triggers that benefit, what's the extent of that right, what will prevent abuse, how will the system support the cost, what will stop the government from adding similar benefits to other groups in the future, etc, etc, etc. Isn't it simpler, safer and a lot more fair to everybody to say, simply, "you make the choice not to work, you don't get paid. Period." ? What?! This is not loving rocket science. In order for a country not to head for a demographic collapse, you need people to make babies so that you have future workers and taxpayers. You use whatever means at your disposal to make sure no one postpones having children for financial reasons. I'm surprised that anyone (who is not rich) decides to have children in United States, because I sure hell wouldn't under those conditions.
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OhYeah posted:Are you just too lazy to read posts in this thread or if not, why don't you address the following three simple points? I guess you missed the last 10 years of republicans bitching that the postal service isn't turning a profit.
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OhYeah posted:This is not loving rocket science. In order for a country not to head for a demographic collapse, you need people to make babies so that you have future workers and taxpayers. You use whatever means at your disposal to make sure no one postpones having children for financial reasons. Jesus Christ, that sounds like some next level nazi poo poo. "Ve must insure ze birt ut ze next generation of pure German shtock."
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I don't know how many people here realize Irish Joe doesn't even watch the program; he just posts here.
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May 11, 2015 21:37
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OhYeah posted:What?! Stop talking to Irish Joe.
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Irish Joe posted:Jesus Christ, that sounds like some next level nazi poo poo. "Ve must insure ze birt ut ze next generation of pure German shtock." If people say we should provide paid maternity leave because it is the right thing to do, some idiots cry that "gently caress them preggos" because their precious tax money shouldn't be used on them. If people say we should provide paid maternity leave because it makes economic and demographic sense in the long-term, the same idiots cry out "nazis!". Which one is, then? It can't be both... because that would be moronic. Let me put it in another way. Why do you think every other civilized country in the world provides some form of paid maternal leave apart from the United States?
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OhYeah posted:Which one is, then? It can't be both... because that would be moronic. There's nothing moronic about having different counterarguments to different arguments. quote:Let me put it in another way. Why do you think every other civilized country in the world provides some form of paid maternal leave apart from the United States? By civilized countries, you mean predominantly white countries, right?
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That mascot explosion clip makes me anxious whenever I see it. It just seems to be violating so many safety regulations.
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Earlier today I saw a clip from a Japanese game show of a woman dragging a piece of meat tied to a rope around her waist being chased by a Komodo Dragon. I'm fairly certain that they don't actually have safety regulations.
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OhYeah posted:I'm surprised that anyone (who is not rich) decides to have children in United States, because I sure hell wouldn't under those conditions. Don't worry, they have a solution for this. It's called abstinence only sex-education, or ideally, no sex-education at all.
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Irish Joe posted:There's nothing moronic about having different counterarguments to different arguments. I mean developed countries, with a high standard of living. As for counterarguments.. you haven't really provided any yet.
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May 11, 2015 22:43
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OhYeah posted:I mean developed countries, with a high standard of living. 
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May 11, 2015 22:46
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This thread deserves Irish Joe.
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May 11, 2015 22:49
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Most of the fun in following this thread is watching people take Irish Joe's bait.
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May 11, 2015 23:03
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TNO posted:Most of the fun in following this thread is watching people take Irish Joe's bait. I once ignored not only Irish Joe but everyone who quoted Irish Joe but then it seemed like no one posted in the thread any more.
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Kibayasu posted:I once ignored not only Irish Joe but everyone who quoted Irish Joe but then it seemed like no one posted in the thread any more. Tell me more about this guy. What's his story? Just another deranged republican or is he "something special"?
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May 11, 2015 23:54
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He is what is commonly referred to as a "troll". Welcome to the internet, stranger.
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OhYeah posted:Tell me more about this guy. What's his story? Just another deranged republican or is he "something special"? He is extremely good at saying things that piss people off in such a way that people don't glom onto it being a troll immediately. He's done this for years. It's amazing.
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That bear mascot video is amazing.
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Orange Devil posted:Don't worry, they have a solution for this. It's called abstinence only sex-education, or ideally, no sex-education at all. This plus immigration has been semi effective at keep the US birth rate up but now that overall teen pregnancy rates are falling drastically the birthrate in this country is starting to dip below replacement rate. I wonder if the demographics start to look like Germany if we'll see a sudden surge for paid maternity leave.
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Who is the real troll, Irish Joe, or the people who make a big show of engaging with Irish Joe, as if his words are truly meaningful to them? There's no way they don't know his schtick. Honestly, the more I see people arguing with Irish Joe, the more I think he has a point.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Who is the real troll, Irish Joe, or the people who make a big show of engaging with Irish Joe, as if his words are truly meaningful to them? There's no way they don't know his schtick. Honestly, the more I see people arguing with Irish Joe, the more I think he has a point. If trolls start trolling trolls to troll trolls then we'll all have to pay the troll toll and get the boys hole
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