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Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

BlackMK4 posted:

Depends on the suspension setup, mostly. BMWs LOVE static camber up front because they have a McPherson strut suspension design up front which reduces camber as the wheel is turned by a large amount. Something like a Corvette with dual control arms up front is able to run a much lower amount of static camber to reach the same dynamic camber as the BMW in a corner because the amount of camber removed by turning is smaller. You see track BMWs regularly running -3.5*+ of static camber.

Jesus, this is hard to explain without GIFs of suspension under movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2D0BHUm2BI

Macpherson strut really isn't a good design, but it is easy to package. It gets even worse when you lower the car - the roll center on MacStrut will actually change at a rate faster than the center of gravity, increasing the front suspension roll couple. This causes your roll stiffness to actually decrease even though you are lowering the physical COG. This is why there are lots of roll center correction kits available for macstrut cars, either done with aftermarket control arms or drop knuckles.

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xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Everyone should own a copy of Tune to Win, it'll give you everything you need to win internet debates and be a pro tier armchair pit crew.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

xzzy posted:

Everyone should own a copy of Tune to Win, it'll give you everything you need to win internet debates and be a pro tier armchair pit crew.

Thanks! What should I read on how to modify and control modern computer controlled engines?

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

joat mon posted:

Thanks! What should I read on how to modify and control modern computer controlled engines?

That depends entirely on what engine, what generation, what ECU (if different across generations), and what you want to do with it.

In some cases the info simply isn't available without spending five or six figures or being a computer engineer with reverse engineering experience, because everyone who tunes some families of ECUs has a huge incentive to bury that info instead of publicizing it. See: early 2000s NA EJ25 Subarus, SBEC and JTEC based RWD/4x4 Dodges/Jeeps, and others.

e:


(5" lift, 42" Pitbull Rockers, dana 60s front and rear, friend just lost a lot more sheetmetal and replaced it with tube)

kastein fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 14, 2015

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

joat mon posted:

Thanks! What should I read on how to modify and control modern computer controlled engines?

All the traditional tuning principles apply, you generally just need manufacturer-specific knowledge of how their ECUs function, and the proper software.

Tuning a car with a laptop in the cabin beats the hell out of doing it under the hood with wrenches and screwdrivers. More flexible, too.

Edit: :arghfist: kastein

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

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Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
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O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
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kastein posted:

That depends entirely on what engine, what generation, what ECU (if different across generations), and what you want to do with it.

In some cases the info simply isn't available without spending five or six figures or being a computer engineer with reverse engineering experience, because everyone who tunes some families of ECUs has a huge incentive to bury that info instead of publicizing it. See: early 2000s NA EJ25 Subarus, SBEC and JTEC based RWD/4x4 Dodges/Jeeps, and others.

e:


(5" lift, 42" Pitbull Rockers, dana 60s front and rear, friend just lost a lot more sheetmetal and replaced it with tube)

The grille is a nice touche.

Mat_Drinks
Nov 18, 2002

mmm this nitromethane gets my supercharger runnin'

88h88 posted:

It's almost as if the Alfa is so super dope that people just can't stand it.

I like the car for the most part, but I'm not a huge fan of liars.

I imagine many of us have had someone lie when selling us a car, it's not a great feeling when you realize you've been had.


edit: do any of you know what the lock under the rear window of the M1 is for? I've been weirdly obsessed with it for a while and I thought maybe it was a fuel cap, but this makes it look like it's on both sides: http://www.motortrend.com/classic/features/1212_1980_bmw_m1_classic_drive/


I find unusual design choices like that really interesting.

Mat_Drinks fucked around with this message at 05:14 on May 14, 2015

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007

DINO DAMAGE
JJ and Victor came through town today and were kind enough to stop for a bit.



Also the orange-and-white scheme gave me an idea, so I called up the local EMS public affairs rep, who was nice enough to arrange a visit from two Denver Health paramedic vehicles, which I thought made for a great picture.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Boomerjinks posted:

JJ and Victor came through town today and were kind enough to stop for a bit.


Was he there? ;)

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007

DINO DAMAGE

You Am I posted:

Was he there? ;)

I don't want to talk about him.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Mat_Drinks posted:

edit: do any of you know what the lock under the rear window of the M1 is for? I've been weirdly obsessed with it for a while and I thought maybe it was a fuel cap, but this makes it look like it's on both sides: http://www.motortrend.com/classic/features/1212_1980_bmw_m1_classic_drive/


I find unusual design choices like that really interesting.

Twin tanks. Like ye olde Mini Coopers/Clubman GTs.

blk
Dec 19, 2009
.
The Venturi Atlantique must be the best styled car of the 90's. So subtle yet so absolutely perfect.



Mat_Drinks
Nov 18, 2002

mmm this nitromethane gets my supercharger runnin'

Butt Wizard posted:

Twin tanks. Like ye olde Mini Coopers/Clubman GTs.

Well gently caress me, I definitely wasn't expecting that. Thanks!

Das Volk
Nov 19, 2002

by Cyrano4747
I hit the little Shelby museum in Vegas today, and they had a couple interesting/rare cars.





Camberchat, the TA has -2.5 degrees of camber. I noticed the outside 1" of the tread doesn't read as hot as the rest on the pyrometer, so clearly I need to drive harder.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Mat_Drinks posted:

Well gently caress me, I definitely wasn't expecting that. Thanks!

I don't know how it works in the M1 but on the Minis there's an equalizing pipe between them so they go level out over time. You can pull up to a service station, park in the middle of the forecourt and stick two nozzles in and then go and pay for each pump separately if you feel like being an rear end in a top hat.

The M1 is a legit actual pants-making GBS threads supercar (not to say the Clubman GT isn't but I'm biased there) so it could be next level. I'd be keen to know if the tanks can be kept separate for competition purposes e.g. more fuel in one side for set-up reasons or the pump can drain from one before it uses the other, etc.

Friar Zucchini
Aug 6, 2010

blk posted:

The Venturi Atlantique must be the best styled car of the 90's. So subtle yet so absolutely perfect.





That car does look great and I love that it's both distinctive of a particular time period, and actually attractive... which for that time period isn't common. I guessed that it was from 1992, it's actually from 1991.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Mat_Drinks posted:

I like the car for the most part, but I'm not a huge fan of liars.

I imagine many of us have had someone lie when selling us a car, it's not a great feeling when you realize you've been had.

If you've been handed the amount of cash you've asked for, fair is fair, your decision to sell it means your right to whine ends when you have the cash in your hand. Yeah the guy was telling the guy what he wanted to hear but then purists are these strange people that want you to respect a product that was mass manufactured in a factory x amount of years ago. There are less Honda Beats in existence than 2000 GTVs and nobody gives a gently caress what you do to those...

And again, everything on that car is able to be returned to stock so it's far from 'ruined'.



kastein posted:

That depends entirely on what engine, what generation, what ECU (if different across generations), and what you want to do with it.

In some cases the info simply isn't available without spending five or six figures or being a computer engineer with reverse engineering experience, because everyone who tunes some families of ECUs has a huge incentive to bury that info instead of publicizing it. See: early 2000s NA EJ25 Subarus, SBEC and JTEC based RWD/4x4 Dodges/Jeeps, and others.

e:


(5" lift, 42" Pitbull Rockers, dana 60s front and rear, friend just lost a lot more sheetmetal and replaced it with tube)


And this is amazing.

Quantrill
Nov 18, 2005

One of Dick Trickle's rides

Thelonious
Jul 16, 2005

It looks like the retarded lovechild of time attack and bosozoku.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

blk posted:

The Venturi Atlantique must be the best styled car of the 90's. So subtle yet so absolutely perfect.





Oh god yes :allears:. I've been a fan of these forever. They're like little French Ferraris and they are gorgeous.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Boaz MacPhereson posted:

Oh god yes :allears:. I've been a fan of these forever. They're like little French Ferraris and they are gorgeous.

You had your chance to say Fauxrrari and you bleu it.

The Prong Song
Sep 7, 2002


WHITE
DRIVES
MATTER

Boaz MacPhereson posted:

Oh god yes :allears:. I've been a fan of these forever. They're like little French Ferraris and they are gorgeous.

It looks like a slightly-uglier F355 (which is, IMHO, one of the designs that will never look out-of-place, like the RX-7, second-gen NSX, 911, GT40...)

angryhampster
Oct 21, 2005

Quantrill posted:

One of Dick Trickle's rides

Still the best driver name ever. It's NASCAR stereotypes summed up in a name.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

blk posted:

The Venturi Atlantique must be the best styled car of the 90's. So subtle yet so absolutely perfect.




It's very Japanese 90s looking (bits of toyota, Nissan and mits) except for the tail tights. It's like a FTO with MR2 side vents and some nissan pop up headlights.
If they tried to sell that at a high price and being French made, no wonder they never sold much. The 1980s and 90s we were spoilt for choice in the southern pacific with regards to decent Japanese cars that were reliable, cheap and looked similar.

What was the price tag anyway?

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revdrkevind
Dec 15, 2013
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Quantrill posted:

Dick Trickle

Also: Lake Speed, Sterling Marlin, and I gotta give points to Jimmie Johnson.

"Oh who's that? Yes he's my little Jimmie Johnson. Yes he is." :allears:

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

angryhampster posted:

Still the best driver name ever. It's NASCAR stereotypes summed up in a name.

Well, the old nascar that was supposedly awesome and totally AI.

The new one would be Wendy's® Dick "Baconator™®" Trickle™.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

Sigma X posted:

It looks like a slightly-uglier F355 (which is, IMHO, one of the designs that will never look out-of-place, like the RX-7, second-gen NSX, 911, GT40...)

The 355 is the last Ferrari that I actually enjoy looking at. Nothing since then really does it for me.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Das Volk posted:

I hit the little Shelby museum in Vegas today, and they had a couple interesting/rare cars.



HHHhnnnnnhhhngggggggg

angryhampster
Oct 21, 2005

xzzy posted:

Well, the old nascar that was supposedly awesome and totally AI.

The new one would be Wendy's® Dick "Baconator™®" Trickle™.

I've been trying to figure out a name for my baby, who is due in a few months. The search has ended now. Thanks.

DrakeriderCa
Feb 3, 2005

But I'm a real cowboy!

88h88 posted:

If you've been handed the amount of cash you've asked for, fair is fair, your decision to sell it means your right to whine ends when you have the cash in your hand. Yeah the guy was telling the guy what he wanted to hear but then purists are these strange people that want you to respect a product ...

None of that matters. Lying to people is lovely and wrong no matter how you disagree with the recipient's views on things.

If you can't make a deal honestly you shouldn't make the deal. Show some class, be honest and find another car.

razorscooter
Nov 5, 2008


buying a car is basically like fraud imho

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Jesus gently caress, all of you shut up about the drat Alfa.



xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Pfft, wrong headlight style. Dude needs to go back and do it all over with a proper volvo.

MustardFacial
Jun 20, 2011
George Russel's
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Lifelong Tory Voter

I want to think that air filter is crushed because the turbo has been sucking on it too hard.

SuperDucky
May 13, 2007

by exmarx

IOwnCalculus posted:

Jesus gently caress, all of you shut up about the drat Alfa.





ohhhhh I'm afraid I've just cheated on my e46 touring

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



Das Volk posted:

Camberchat, the TA has -2.5 degrees of camber. I noticed the outside 1" of the tread doesn't read as hot as the rest on the pyrometer, so clearly I need to drive harder.

Is that the Viper equivalent of chicken strips on a sport bike tire? :v:

dema
Aug 13, 2006

IOwnCalculus posted:

Jesus gently caress, all of you shut up about the drat Alfa.





YES.

Though I'd go a bit more stock looking on the suspension and wheels.

My first car was a blue, manual, 240DL wagon. Sold it with over 340,000 miles on the original eng and transmission. Good memories.

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
Lancia Delta, evolution of the species:

1982:


1985:


1986:


1988:


poo poo got into sci-fi territory pretty fast

e: I love the naive optimism in the Delta S4 press photos, I don't think I've ever seen a racing S4 with the back bumper on

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


In the related videos for the little Lego 4x4 RC posted a few pages back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBOwuTrtqIA

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Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


hackbunny posted:

Lancia Delta, evolution of the species:

1982:


1985:


1986:


1988:


poo poo got into sci-fi territory pretty fast

Yeah it did.

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