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Offler posted:Laws like this absolutely have to be stupidly rigid though, since exactly 0.000% of pet owners will think that their precious little fluffy companion could possibly carry some nasty disease. If you leave any amount of "common sense" based wiggle room where it is up to the owner to make a judgement call on weather their pet needs to be quarantined or not, then you might as well not bother with the laws in the first place.
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JT Jag posted:Did he even offer the option to quarantine the pets? It seems like it was just "get them the gently caress out of the country or we're killing them" Yeah, that's the bit that garnered so much attention. He can take a hard line about the issue, but the whole "we're going to kill them in 50 hours" was a bit much. Threaten to seize and quarantine them and send the bill to Depp if they aren't sent back, totally justifiable. Threatening to kill them just serves no purpose and even undercuts the overall message since the consequence is taken to a cartoon level of evil.
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Honestly, gently caress Johnny Depp, as it is he's lucky he's not going to see any real legal punishment for smuggling his two stupid little dogs. It's nice to see somebody talking about the actual business side of agriculture, and all the nasty dealings there. Normally people just are panicking about GMOs and animal living conditions. I know that a lot of farmers don't make much money and sometimes have to rely on government subsidies, but I didn't know that chicken farms were that kind of racket.
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Yeah, telling Depp that the dogs will be forcibly quarantined and that he'll get to pay for it is a much more sensible approach.
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May 18, 2015 20:47
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Echo Chamber posted:I think a lot of Oliver's bits lately are missing the "mic drop moment" that justify the preachy tone. We get anger, sympathetic figures, and jokes but we don't get a strong release of emotions by the end of a lot of the bits. I kind of need a bit of a stronger home run moment at the end of the extended bits if I want to share the story on Facebook or have water cooler talk about it at work. The show obviously doesn't want to retread The Daily Show, but it's a bit more obvious now where the advantages are in Stewart's format. Having correspondents and field pieces still grounds the comedy as "fake news". A weekly format that's less bound to the news cycle will obviously want to be less like that, but it's missing a lot of the meta-narrative stuff that helps keep it engaging. I think the civil asset forfeiture piece captured this perfectly. It both hit very high notes comedically (slush fund  ) and also succeeded in being really shocking to those of us that live on the other side of the planet in just how hosed up being an american can be. I've got friends who would never find themselves with a hundred miles of a documentary or a piece of investigative journalism but who will still gladly watch that piece because it just works. The real issue I think for the show going forward is that there is just not enough of hosed up poo poo to cover which leaves us with pieces such as the clothing one last week where it just falls flat because everyone is already well aware of it. The humour still works ( ) but the emotional impact just isn't there.
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Offler posted:Yeah, telling Depp that the dogs will be forcibly quarantined and that he'll get to pay for it is a much more sensible approach. Why? All you do is send the message "sneak your animals in Australia, worst that happens is you get caught and go through the same procedure you would of if you'd just done it above board anyways". Why would anyone with access to a private jet (or other way of smuggling an animal in) not try it, in that case? If you just charged them extra for the quarantine, I doubt it'd disincentivise the idea for people as wealthy as Depp. According to my GF, they actually just closed one of the two airport quarantine facilities recently, and you need to make an appointment/reservation for your animal's stay well in advance (presumably because they have a limited number of spaces). The quarantine people simply don't have the resources to deal with "walk ins" like that.
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Why? All you do is send the message "sneak your animals in Australia, worst that happens is you get caught and go through the same procedure you would of if you'd just done it above board anyways". You actually send that message stronger with the threat of death as most normal well adjusted people would view government threatening to put down a family pet over an issue that has so many other avenues of action as an empty one. Since we don't hear about the Australian government putting down Rover every other day, this is either an extremely edge case or the threat of euthanasia is in fact empty. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 23:12 on May 18, 2015 |
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Then have him pay a large fee in addition to the quarantine, to offset the increased load. At least giving the option keeps them from sounding like animal-hating monsters.
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Has anyone done a study on what the consequences of dropping all quarantine procedures, shipping a proverbial Noah's arc of animals, insects and plants into the country and let nature run its course for a decade or two?
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Xoidanor posted:Has anyone done a study on what the consequences of dropping all quarantine procedures, shipping a proverbial Noah's arc of animals, insects and plants into the country and let nature run its course for a decade or two?
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JT Jag posted:Yeah, it's called "America for most of its existence" So no point in spending god knows how much enforcing quarantine procedures then?
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Xoidanor posted:So no point in spending god knows how much enforcing quarantine procedures then? Depends how much you like your country being filled with rabid dogs I guess.
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The quarantine is more to keep Australia's fauna in, imo
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I've never once seen a rabid animal in my 28 years of life in America so I think Australia will be fine.
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Fans posted:Depends how much you like your country being filled with rabid dogs I guess. Please, it'll be wild boars and canadian geese who carve out dominance just like in every other country.
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May 18, 2015 23:58
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American here, I don't think the rabid dogs are too bad, just have to wear gloves when I pull them off my front-mounted spike rack. Usually we just use dog plows to get around but sometimes it's best to cull the population.
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So, remember how millions of Native Americans died from European diseases when Europe was colonizing the Americas? That is a pretty good reason to have a pretty strict quarantine procedure in Australia. Yeah, those dogs are probably spayed/neutered, don't have any obvious diseases, and are probably somewhat well trained. But they might also be carrying some minor infectious disease that could wreak havoc in an ecosystem as isolated as Australia's. So yeah, the threat was sad because the dogs themselves didn't do anything wrong and they are someone's pets, but every now and then you hear a story in the US about a shelter getting hit by some disease that kills half of the dogs/cats/whatever else that they have and that is also pretty messed up. The thing about that though, is that those animals technically are already living with having some exposure to that disease and it still kills a bunch of them, so it can probably only get worse if it hits Australian animals who might not have any exposure to something that alien.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:American here, I don't think the rabid dogs are too bad, just have to wear gloves when I pull them off my front-mounted spike rack. Usually we just use dog plows to get around but sometimes it's best to cull the population.
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Nice, turns out my congressman is one of the chicken fuckers.Xoidanor posted:Has anyone done a study on what the consequences of dropping all quarantine procedures, shipping a proverbial Noah's arc of animals, insects and plants into the country and let nature run its course for a decade or two? Well, there are the hundreds of years of humans completely loving over the ecosystems of newly discovered lands by introducing poo poo like pigs, rats, snakes, and disease. For a plant example, all of the Southeastern US is just Kudzu now. Fateo McMurray posted:I've never once seen a rabid animal in my 28 years of life in America so I think Australia will be fine. I've never once seen a wild python in all my years of life in America so I think the Everglades will be fine.
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Gyges posted:I've never once seen a wild python in all my years of life in America so I think the Everglades will be fine. Your parents never took you to a zoo? I'm sorry 
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Fateo McMurray posted:I've never once seen a rabid animal in my 28 years of life in America so I think Australia will be fine. The big way humans become infected in the US is that they get bitten by a bat and don't even realize it. How often you notice even non-rabid bats in your environment?
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Fateo McMurray posted:Your parents never took you to a zoo? I'm sorry I'm sorry to say that the meaning of his post escaped you.
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Gyges posted:For a plant example, all of the Southeastern US is just Kudzu now. I'm sorry I'm sorry! That was just a mean prank gone wrong!
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The cane toad invasion is a good reason to limit incoming species too.
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Grinning Goblin posted:So, remember how millions of Native Americans died from European diseases when Europe was colonizing the Americas? That is a pretty good reason to have a pretty strict quarantine procedure in Australia. Yeah, those dogs are probably spayed/neutered, don't have any obvious diseases, and are probably somewhat well trained. But they might also be carrying some minor infectious disease that could wreak havoc in an ecosystem as isolated as Australia's. So yeah, the threat was sad because the dogs themselves didn't do anything wrong and they are someone's pets, but every now and then you hear a story in the US about a shelter getting hit by some disease that kills half of the dogs/cats/whatever else that they have and that is also pretty messed up. The thing about that though, is that those animals technically are already living with having some exposure to that disease and it still kills a bunch of them, so it can probably only get worse if it hits Australian animals who might not have any exposure to something that alien. John even could have covered this in the show last night by touching on the bird flu outbreak that took out millions of birds this year, and that was just a case of a strain migrating from one portion of the country to another. I don't blame Australia for wanting to keep as tight a grip on what comes in as they do.
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Freaquency posted:John even could have covered this in the show last night by touching on the bird flu outbreak that took out millions of birds this year, and that was just a case of a strain migrating from one portion of the country to another. I don't blame Australia for wanting to keep as tight a grip on what comes in as they do. It's also a country where that kind of control is actually viable, because the entire landmass is under a single government. For other continents, if even one country decides they just don't care, then the whole continent is basically hosed because you aren't going to stop animal migration across land borders. Diseases are also a big issue because like you said, even just a strain going somewhere new can have a devastating effect on the population, and Australia's ecosystem is a lot more isolated than most, so there are probably a ton of things out there that the local wildlife has literally no immunity against because it's just never been encountered.
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Xoidanor posted:Has anyone done a study on what the consequences of dropping all quarantine procedures, shipping a proverbial Noah's arc of animals, insects and plants into the country and let nature run its course for a decade or two?
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Xoidanor posted:Has anyone done a study on what the consequences of dropping all quarantine procedures, shipping a proverbial Noah's arc of animals, insects and plants into the country and let nature run its course for a decade or two? Certain individuals in the 19th century had this same line of thinking. It didn't end well.
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Xoidanor posted:Has anyone done a study on what the consequences of dropping all quarantine procedures, shipping a proverbial Noah's arc of animals, insects and plants into the country and let nature run its course for a decade or two? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Acclimatization_Society
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See Also: Cane Toads, Zebra Mussels, Asian Carp, Emerald Ash Borers, House Sparrows, Panama Disease, and Starlings. e: Hang on, someone introduced Starlings and House Sparrows on purpose? gently caress you Schieffelin. YggiDee fucked around with this message at 03:24 on May 19, 2015 |
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quote:The group's charter explained its goal was to introduce "such foreign varieties of the animal and vegetable kingdom as may be useful or interesting." What the hell are you doing with that Durian, Bob? I think it would be interesting to introduce this member of the vegetable kingdom to South Carolina. Jacksonian Democrats for life, you Calhoun loving fuckers!
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Gyges posted:I've never once seen a wild python in all my years of life in America so I think the Everglades will be fine. I like this. Also, I grew up in FL and I legit saw gigantic non-native pythons in my backyard growing up. They're a huge issue. The best example for Australia is still rabbits. loving rabbits.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:The big way humans become infected in the US is that they get bitten by a bat and don't even realize it. How often you notice even non-rabid bats in your environment? Pretty often at dusk in warm weather. Also how do you get bitten by a bat and not realize it?
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While you're sleeping is my guess. But you have to invite a bat into your home first before that can happen.
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It's not too terribly uncommon to get a bat in your house. Even if you know the bat is there and don't think you got bitten, that's no guarantee that you didn't. Small bat bites need magnification to see and can cause no pain at all. Better yet, rabies can lay dormant in a human for months or even years before you eventually die from it. Are you sure that brush you felt in your hair the last time you walked through a wooded area at night was really a branch? You sure that light touch of the neck was really just a insect when you were sitting around a campfire? Sleep tight. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 04:24 on May 19, 2015 |
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Fateo McMurray posted:Also how do you get bitten by a bat and not realize it?
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Solice Kirsk posted:While you're sleeping is my guess. But you have to invite a bat into your home first before that can happen. If you want to sleep with an open window, you have to take special precaution though. Scattering seeds or rice on your windowsill usually does the trick. I love how in their charter, the bar for introducing species is as low as "I think it would be interesting."
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bull3964 posted:It's not too terribly uncommon to get a bat in your house. Whoosh. It was a vampire joke.
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Slamhound posted:Check out Mr. Fastidious keeping track of every little rodent bite. said some surf, pre-black death Mr. Fowl posted:If you want to sleep with an open window, you have to take special precaution though. Scattering seeds or rice on your windowsill usually does the trick. so will a screen Fateo McMurray fucked around with this message at 04:32 on May 19, 2015 |
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