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PsychicToaster posted:My price range is around 50k. I do like the Hyundai Genesis as well. I worked at Mercedes-Benz for the last year and god drat it's pretty E350ish. Yeah, if you're spending around 50k but don't want excessive power, a Genesis is probably your best choice. That or a Chrysler 300C Platinum. I would still recommend checking out a Charger Scat Pack or SRT and Chevrolet SS, since 4 door muscle cars are awesome.
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TKIY posted:He had a dealer issue more than a brand one. I'm using the same dealer so I can vouch for their scumminess. Well, hopefully that kind of attitude is localized to that one dealer. It just seemed like they weren't used to selling real cars for real money; hopefully most other dealers are willing to take their head out of their asses. Wasn't he having a real hard time with trying to get corporate to take back the car? Sole Survivor posted:Yeah, if you're spending around 50k but don't want excessive power, a Genesis is probably your best choice. That or a Chrysler 300C Platinum. I would still recommend checking out a Charger Scat Pack or SRT and Chevrolet SS, since 4 door muscle cars are awesome. Fullsized cars can't be muscle cars, by definition. Doesn't matter how much power they make.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:I'm guessing both the SRT8 and this are out of his price range, but I figured I'd throw it in anyway. Saw one on the road for the first time the other day and they look really good in person. Seemed way less boring than in pictures. In other news, I really have a  for the Nomad.
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TKIY posted:This. Drive one, it straight up murders the impala and 300 for luxury and drive quality. Jealous. TKIY posted:He had a dealer issue more than a brand one. I'm using the same dealer so I can vouch for their scumminess. Not jealous any more. Okay, maybe a little. PsychicToaster posted:My price range is around 50k. I do like the Hyundai Genesis as well. I worked at Mercedes-Benz for the last year and god drat it's pretty E350ish. The V6 Genesis Ultimate is the correct answer. KillHour fucked around with this message at 03:46 on May 20, 2015 |
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Raluek posted:Well, hopefully that kind of attitude is localized to that one dealer. It just seemed like they weren't used to selling real cars for real money; hopefully most other dealers are willing to take their head out of their asses. Wasn't he having a real hard time with trying to get corporate to take back the car? Not sure, I had pm'd him when I was dealing with their shenanigans but they honestly bought me off for my trouble. This is my second vehicle from that dealership and my first one had been free of any trouble and service hassles. The one small service issue I had was quickly rectified by the service writer I was dealing with and he did a bunch of minor services for free for their mistake. I don't think they are a great dealership but overall I don't think they are worse than most. Just this week a story came out about one of our Honda dealerships. They sold a car, as new, and when the owner went to sell the car later it was revealed that the car had been crashed before they bought it. The dealership insisted the buyers were informed that it was a demo, but the buyers produced the paperwork and it was sold as new. Bottom line I don't think there is a single dealership out there that is impeccably honest. Put a group of people on commission and eventually one or more will bend the rules.
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Sole Survivor posted:Yeah, if you're spending around 50k but don't want excessive power get the gently caress out
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Sole Survivor posted:Yeah, if you're spending around 50k but don't want excessive power, a Genesis is probably your best choice. That or a Chrysler 300C Platinum. I would still recommend checking out a Charger Scat Pack or SRT and Chevrolet SS, since 4 door muscle cars are awesome. 50 grand and not excessive power? Buy a mint 67 Olds Cutlass drop top.
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TKIY posted:Bottom line I don't think there is a single dealership out there that is impeccably honest. Put a group of people on commission and eventually one or more will bend the rules. Pretty much perfect statement. Go in expecting to deal with liars and the criminally inept and you probably won't be disappointed, and if you get someone good you'll be that much happier. But I still really wish Tesla's business model was more widespread, haven't heard much negative about it. I'm soured on Hyundai ownership, but I still believe they can make great cars and the nature of dealer networks means it's not consistent for their customer service. The long annoying debacle with mine is documented in my Baja thread if anyone wants to read about life with a lemon and a not so cooperative dealer between the months of me not working on my Baja. On another note I can't wait to see the new turbo Civic Type R when it's out, is this Honda's first turbo production car? (Other than the rdx) I wonder how it'll take to tuning?
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Bajaha posted:On another note I can't wait to see the new turbo Civic Type R when it's out, is this Honda's first turbo production car? (Other than the rdx) I wonder how it'll take to tuning? 
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That's a mighty big picture of a mighty small car Also:  (yes I think that is as much of a nightmare as it looks)
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PsychicToaster posted:My price range is around 50k. I do like the Hyundai Genesis as well. I worked at Mercedes-Benz for the last year and god drat it's pretty E350ish. The Chevrolet SS will probably pull a G8GXP and have rather stout resale values, going forwards, since production is so low. Probably.
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dissss posted:That's a mighty big picture of a mighty small car We should give one to 13 inch dick detective.
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Raluek posted:Fullsized cars can't be muscle cars, by definition. Doesn't matter how much power they make. ? Full sized cars were the first muscle cars. I'm confused.
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fknlo posted:Some more pictures: If you put your finger over the roof and the grill, if have a hard time telling you if it was a mustang or a Chevy camarow. https://youtu.be/_2Z4PHH1Mzo
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howling_mad posted:? Full sized cars were the first muscle cars. I'm confused. Nah, the first muscle cars were intermediate/mid-size cars with big V8s out of the full-size stuff.
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howling_mad posted:? Full sized cars were the first muscle cars. I'm confused. A proper muscle car was a mid size car with a big engine dropped in it that was normally just for full size cars. Being pedantic there are no modern muscle cars. The Charger/300/SS are all full size and the Mustang/Challenger/Camaro are all pony cars. We need V8 RWD versions of the Fusion, 200, and Malibu (new Chevelle) for real modern muscle cars. Not complaining what we have now don't fit the classic definition of muscle. They're all still great and this is a wonderful time for cars. I need to bug my dad to get his Chevelle on the road for the summer so I can drive it.
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SFH1989 posted:A proper muscle car was a mid size car with a big engine dropped in it that was normally just for full size cars. It'd be an even better time for cars if someone would drop mid-size engines into compact cars. Put all these 300hp 2.0 turbos into Miata/FRS type cars someone. Please.
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V8's in hatchbacks. http://www.superstreetonline.com/cars/new-car-reviews/0404scc-ati-terminator-ford-focus/ http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0408_mismatch_comparison/viewall.html
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KillHour posted:V8's in hatchbacks. Pony cars actually used to be hatchbacks in the 80s.
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davebo posted:It'd be an even better time for cars if someone would drop mid-size engines into compact cars. Put all these 300hp 2.0 turbos into Miata/FRS type cars someone. Please. Agreed. I'll even settle for 250 :-)
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davebo posted:It'd be an even better time for cars if someone would drop mid-size engines into compact cars. Put all these 300hp 2.0 turbos into Miata/FRS type cars someone. Please. drat straight. No more of this "we can't ruin the purity and the balance" pussy garbage.
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KillHour posted:V8's in hatchbacks. I want to use one of those Kugel Komponents kits to put a Ecoboost 2.3 in a Ford Focus.
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PT6A posted:drat straight. No more of this "we can't ruin the purity and the balance" pussy garbage. Would a 2 liter turbo engine throw the balance that far off in an FRS? I know its a heavier AWD car but I remember that guy that put an LS1 in an RX-8 and actually got better 50-50 balance than stock.
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Presto posted:The real problem to me is that they keep making it more and more bland. That rear almost looks like it might have come off a generic family sedan and the front is gradually getting less interesting too. I'm pretty sure GM won't be satisfied until it looks like a Malibu. This one finally looking less cartoonish is one of the reasons I'm interested in it. So, different strokes? tijag fucked around with this message at 19:11 on May 20, 2015 |
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I know goodwin racing puts 2.5L MZRs from mazda 3's into miatas with relatively minor modifications to the heads. I think there are even 2.5L supercharged ones. They said the 2.5L NC drives like a car with a supercharger but has a NA character. I wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers.
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Coredump posted:I want to use one of those Kugel Komponents kits to put a Ecoboost 2.3 in a Ford Focus. That new Focus RS is exactly that + AWD
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Farking Bastage posted:That new Focus RS is exactly that + AWD Nuh uh, there's some difference between a longitudinal mounted inline 4 and transverse mounted fwd with an output shaft going to the rear. For instance is the new Focus going to be front wheel biased with its power and send power to the rears on slip? That's how a lot of the fwd cars do it when they have awd added on.
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Coredump posted:For instance is the new Focus going to be front wheel biased with its power and send power to the rears on slip? Can't really boil it down like that as the system is a lot more complex. There really isn't a "default", the car sends torque where it is needed depending on sensor input. It isn't a wheel slip system. There are twin clutchpacks in the rear (one for each halfshaft) that can divert up to 100% of the rear torque bias to a wheel. Up to 70% of the total torque can be diverted rearward. For example, this is an example ford gives of what the car is doing mid corner. 
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davebo posted:Would a 2 liter turbo engine throw the balance that far off in an FRS? I know its a heavier AWD car but I remember that guy that put an LS1 in an RX-8 and actually got better 50-50 balance than stock. Because the LS is a superior engine and should drive all ground or water based gasoline powered vehicles.
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Xguard86 posted:Because the LS is a superior engine and should drive all ground or water based gasoline powered vehicles. Forever and ever, amen
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Xguard86 posted:Because the LS is a superior engine and should drive all ground or water based gasoline powered vehicles. The fact that it will fit in literally anything backs this up.
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fknlo posted:The fact that it will fit in literally anything backs this up. I love my LS1 
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GM should stop building their lovely vehicles and switch over to just selling small block V8s to every other manufacturer to put in everything.
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Their lawyers are arguing right now that they own the ECU software and you are only licensing it, and therefore have no right to access it. Breaking their digital locks to modify or diagnose anything related to the software would therefore be illegal under the DMCA. You would have to pay a GM mechanic to diagnose anything not covered by ODBII. They should just stop everything all together and gently caress off.
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Powershift posted:Their lawyers are arguing right now that they own the ECU software and you are only licensing it, and therefore have no right to access it. User-created open-source ECUs are going to be a thing if this happens. I didn't access it sir I just disabled it. That and like this will stop anyone, remember not so long ago for a little bit it was illegal to mess with your cell phone too and that stopped exactly zero people. It IS ultra-lovely and any manufacture that claims this is a massive bag o' dicks but that won't stop them anyway.
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KakerMix posted:User-created open-source ECUs are going to be a thing if this happens. I didn't access it sir I just disabled it. That and like this will stop anyone, remember not so long ago for a little bit it was illegal to mess with your cell phone too and that stopped exactly zero people. It IS ultra-lovely and any manufacture that claims this is a massive bag o' dicks but that won't stop them anyway. It didn't stop people from jailbreaking their cellphones because you can do that poo poo at home for free. This is obviously aimed at hurting tuning companies that do this for money. This could end very badly.
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KillHour posted:It didn't stop people from jailbreaking their cellphones because you can do that poo poo at home for free. This is obviously aimed at hurting tuning companies that do this for money. This could end very badly. Suppose I should get that APR tune for my R sooner rather than later 
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davebo posted:Would a 2 liter turbo engine throw the balance that far off in an FRS? I know its a heavier AWD car but I remember that guy that put an LS1 in an RX-8 and actually got better 50-50 balance than stock. 99% that's true even of the BRZ (or whichever is subaru. Which is which is pretty irrelevant).
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Powershift posted:Their lawyers are arguing right now that they own the ECU software and you are only licensing it, and therefore have no right to access it. Carburetor supremacy
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