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Evil Fluffy posted:
Christie's positions are pretty close to the Republicans that used to be solid bloc for the Northeast at large before the hardcore racism stuff really set in.
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The Lord of Hats posted:How bad must it feel, as an established politician, if you're edged out for the debate by Carson, Fiorina, and 'Snake Oil' Huckabee? That reminds me, no one's mentioned Trump yet 
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The Lord of Hats posted:How bad must it feel, as an established politician, if you're edged out for the debate by Carson, Fiorina, and 'Snake Oil' Huckabee? If you're polling that low hopefully bad enough you wouldn't try for another office but something tells me they'll all be running again soon anyways :/
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May 20, 2015 23:09
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Cantorsdust posted:That reminds me, no one's mentioned Trump yet Beat me to it. Trump is consistently placing fifth to eighth place in national and New Hampshire polls when he's included. If he declares he'll be on that stage.
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May 20, 2015 23:17
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Shageletic posted:Laughing at freaking George C. Marshall not being included here. I should have mentioned that it only goes back 50 years.
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May 20, 2015 23:22
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Arkane posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhZxDrJi9UE It's gonna suck when you have to do this tapdance in a little under 10 years when she's winding up her second term as president. GOP accomplishments 2008-present: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cye2kZSmyWI
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May 20, 2015 23:30
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The RCP average is currently: 1. Jeb (15.4) 2. Walker (13.2) 3. Rubio (13.2) 4. Paul (9.2) 5. Huckabee (8.6) 6. Cruz (8.6) 7. Carson (7.8) 8. Christie (5.4) 9. Perry (2.4) 10. Santorum (2.3) 11. Kasich (2.0) 12. Fiorina (1.3) 13. Jindal (1.3) 14. Graham (1.3) If Trump actually announces, he could very well bump Santorum or Perry off. The death zone there is perilously close.
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May 20, 2015 23:32
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With the vote split so many ways, I'm really curious bumping off which contenders will give which remaining candidates a boost, since that might be a way for an evangelical or tea-party nut to overtake one of the "moderate" serious candidates if the crazies start dropping out and they can consolidate the crazy vote. There's probably enough votes in Paul, Santorum, Cruz, Huckabee, Fiorina and Carson to put one of them at the top of the list, depending on the breaks. If it's one of them vs. Bush, Walker and Rubio they could lead the pack.
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May 20, 2015 23:53
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Yeah, I think it matters a lot who drops out and when. If the establishment candidates start dropping too early, the survivor could soak up the support and run away with the contest; same for the Tea Party wing.
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May 21, 2015 00:10
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Wouldn't this require that the tea party darlings not be the more egotistical, thickheaded and self absorbed ones? They're more likely to deny reality and stick it out to the bitter end because they deserve to be president. Santorum is the only one I can see actually thinking good of party and good of ideaology comes before good of self.
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May 21, 2015 00:17
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Fulchrum posted:Wouldn't this require that the tea party darlings not be the more egotistical, thickheaded and self absorbed ones? They're more likely to deny reality and stick it out to the bitter end because they deserve to be president. Santorum is the only one I can see actually thinking good of party and good of ideaology comes before good of self. Tea Party darlings also have the shakiest finances. You can refuse to drop out all you want, but if your sugar daddy and his PAC move on, well you're out. Establishment candidates have a much larger base, which probably would let them tell everyone else to stick it for far longer than a Tea Partier. The question is whether the sugar daddies of the fallen will be spoils for those still in the race or if their ego prevents such a thing.
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May 21, 2015 00:26
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CNN, being CNN, has decided to solve the debate problem by limiting participation to the top 10 candidates, and then having a separate, but equal, debate for the rest of them immediately after.
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May 21, 2015 00:28
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Yes! The craziest of the crazy
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May 21, 2015 00:30
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Joementum posted:CNN, being CNN, has decided to solve the debate problem by limiting participation to the top 10 candidates, and then having a separate, but equal, debate for the rest of them immediately after. I should be used to it by now, but holy hell is CNN good at trying to be as effective as FoxNews and failing every single time a plane disappearing in the ocean isn't part of the equation.
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May 21, 2015 00:39
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Add my name to the list of folks who are stoked to watch the Republican debate shitshow.
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How beneficial is it to be in the bottom percent when Fox is going to give you more time the next day on their channel? The segment is going to be: "What do you think of what they said?" (Firebombs thrown with no one to deny or argue against you)
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May 21, 2015 00:43
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It will probably be O'Reilly and Ted Cruz on The Factor the next day where they'll basically begin sucking each others cocks in front of the Fox News viewing public. E: vvv  vvv
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May 21, 2015 00:47
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SouthLAnd posted:It will probably be O'Reilly and Ted Cruz on The Factor the next day where they'll basically begin sucking each others cocks in front of the Fox News viewing public. No meatspin zone.
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May 21, 2015 00:49
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Joementum posted:CNN, being CNN, has decided to solve the debate problem by limiting participation to the top 10 candidates, and then having a separate, but equal, debate for the rest of them immediately after. This ad is appearing on Politico right now:  How the hell do people like Walker get elected? (that's a rhetorical question, I know the answer)
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May 21, 2015 00:53
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Yes with a tax base that only China and India can rival, the spending must end!
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May 21, 2015 00:58
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Joementum posted:CNN, being CNN, has decided to solve the debate problem by limiting participation to the top 10 candidates, and then having a separate, but equal, debate for the rest of them immediately after. As a wee lad, CNN was always the news network that I thought had the reputation of being the Serious, Legit News. Was that ever actually the case, or have they always been a complete joke?
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May 21, 2015 01:08
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Wheeee posted:As a wee lad, CNN was always the news network that I thought had the reputation of being the Serious, Legit News. Was that ever actually the case, or have they always been a complete joke? At one point an argument could be made that they were somewhat legit, but it seems like they saw the ratings Fox News gets and decided to jump on that bandwagon some time ago. I think Wolf Blitzer was always awful, though. And Nancy Grace, but that goes without saying.
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May 21, 2015 01:20
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Even until semi-recently I think CNN tried to be in the center but eventually decided to go Fox Lite after falling behind them and MSNBC in ratings.
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May 21, 2015 01:23
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"You may be wondering why I have asked you all here..." "... it is so I can play the song of my people."
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May 21, 2015 01:36
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Gorelab posted:Even until semi-recently I think CNN tried to be in the center but eventually decided to go Fox Lite after falling behind them and MSNBC in ratings. msnbc has consistently lower ratings than cnn though?
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May 21, 2015 01:38
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Joementum posted:"You may be wondering why I have asked you all here..." My personal bar for perry is so low that eight seconds of him playing Für Elise left me quite impressed.
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May 21, 2015 01:38
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When Zucker left NBC after killing a bunch of shows to give Leno more time slots, he was given control of CNN where he said CNN's biggest problem was that they show too much news. They've got a lot of issues going on over there.
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May 21, 2015 01:45
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Gorelab posted:Even until semi-recently I think CNN tried to be in the center but eventually decided to go Fox Lite after falling behind them and MSNBC in ratings. They got rid of Lou Dobbs so they're actually better than in the past.
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May 21, 2015 01:47
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10 people seems like too many for it to really be any good (either substance or hilarity), but I'm sure they want to keep Fiorina, who I can't see cracking more than 3-5%. From some quick googling, it looks like the most they had in a debate in 2012 was 9. August cannot get here soon enough!
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May 21, 2015 01:59
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Apollo_Creed posted:10 people seems like too many for it to really be any good (either substance or hilarity), but I'm sure they want to keep Fiorina, who I can't see cracking more than 3-5%. For a 1 hour debate that's only 6 minutes per person. That's maaaybe 10 questions at most, without any rebuttals.
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May 21, 2015 02:01
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Perry's new ad about how much he loves Iowa starts with him playing Beethoven, cuts before he hits the wrong note (as seen in the Instagram above), and ends with someone else playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08HUc5PmWoA Can we trust a candidate who so blatantly lies about his musical ability?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:My personal bar for perry is so low that eight seconds of him playing Für Elise left me quite impressed. Like most Texans, Perry finishes in eight seconds.
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May 21, 2015 02:18
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Dumping the fringe crazies into a debate is honestly the best programming decision CNN has ever made. Kudos for them ensuring the big tent party is as much of a circus as possible.
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May 21, 2015 02:22
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This list doesn't have enough crazy for my taste for it to be a really good poo poo show of a debate. Jeb just has to not gently caress up and sit back and the others throw poo poo at each other. 1. Jeb (15.4) 2. Walker (13.2) 3. Rubio (13.2) 4. Paul (9.2) 5. Huckabee (8.6) 6. Cruz (8.6) 7. Carson (7.8) 8. Christie (5.4) 9. Perry (2.4) 10. Santorum (2.3) Again, it's going to be Jeb Bush / Scott Walker .
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May 21, 2015 02:31
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Joementum posted:Perry's new ad about how much he loves Iowa starts with him playing Beethoven, cuts before he hits the wrong note (as seen in the Instagram above), and ends with someone else playing. Looks like he forgot the third measure.
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May 21, 2015 02:40
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my bony fealty posted:Looks like he forgot the third measure. oh god he literally did 
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May 21, 2015 03:11
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Wheeee posted:As a wee lad, CNN was always the news network that I thought had the reputation of being the Serious, Legit News. Was that ever actually the case, or have they always been a complete joke? The sad news is that CNN has never been a good news network. For a good long while they were the only news network, but even then they were pretty terrible. They're a Ted Turner product. To paraphrase Bill Hicks, they've been beating a steady drum of "WAR, FAMINE, RECESSION, DEPRESSION, WAR, FAMINE, RECESSION, DEPRESSION" for over 30 years now. Whatever got and gets ratings is all they care about, and I think it's fair to say that the discourse about current events and politics in the US has been done a tremendous disservice by CNN.
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May 21, 2015 03:25
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potato of destiny posted:oh god he literally did God is real and he loves us, all of us in this thread to be exact 
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May 21, 2015 04:04
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Vox dug up a Lincoln-Douglass debate from 1993 with Bernie being awesome and arguing for a Canadian style coverage system. John Boehner looks so young in this video.
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potato of destiny posted:oh god he literally did On one hand I'd be really impressed if this was some sort of master troll, but there's no way.
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