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Hah. I thought they meant the Mamelukes - enslaved royal bodyguards in medieval Egypt who, like so many other royal bodyguards throughout history, decided to get rid of the king and take over for themselves. 
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There's a lot that doesn't make sense in comics regardless of how much you accept suspension of disbelief and you kinda just...have to accept it at some point. DC is like the most liberal universe ever since you can apparently kill thousands of people over the course of years over multiple breakouts and just end right back up in a mental institution instead of being executed. Like even accepting that, it's pretty hard to imagine how the Joker doesn't arrive at the station to be booked with two bullets in his head. "Awwww, man. I dunno how it happened, but it looks like the Joker shot himself on the way to the P.D. twice. In the head. While restrained. Maybe Batman can solve the mystery??" Fabricated fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 23, 2015 |
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May 23, 2015 00:28
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I actually liked the carnival and the two bit thug that thought he was important getting offed undignified in a cutscene. Then again I love entry of the gladiators(even in a dumb cheesy fairground organ version) and think batman was at his peak when he was using bat shark repellent to beat the joker at surf contests. Seriously though, the electrocutioner was probably my favorite bit about the game. It makes me sad that everyone's so down on the guy even on the internet.
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May 23, 2015 03:13
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Don't get me wrong: Electrocutioner getting knocked out in one hit was hilarious. I just wish that he actually got to do something. I'd settle for him being a recurring ineffectual villain setting traps around the Hotel before getting offed by Joker or Bane.
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May 23, 2015 03:18
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Origins: Blackgate). He was actually not the main villain here. He was more or less tied with Penguin and Black Mask there.
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May 23, 2015 03:29
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In keeping up with the LP, here are a few thoughts I've had catching up to the current video: 1) The Shock Gloves are a lot of fun for me, but they do disrupt the flow of the comboes even MORE. If you're even thinking of going for ground takedowns on guys who aren't the last, don't. They also make the quickfire gadgets nearly useless (more than they were before), but that doesn't bother me much. 2) What is the obsession with making The Joker this wild philosopher? He switches between just making silly puns to screw with Batman and these deep complex Riddler-esque questions. Is it all to psych Batman out or am I supposed to find emotional depth in Joker? Because I refuse. 3) Seriously though, combat is stupidly clunky in this game. I hope Arkham Knight has fixed this. The upgrade system, as has been said before, is still stupid. So are the Dark Knight Challenges. You wouldn't believe what I can and cannot do. And it's hard for me to force myself since I already have a 100% save. So it's mostly "Well Sonic, we could spend the next hour trying to reset this predator room to accomplish the max amount of challenges in a row, but why would we? Once is enough." 4) How long has Joker been planning this that he's managed to set up an entire death carnival inside the hotel? And yet nobody knew this was happening by him and not Black Mask until Christmas? Speaking of, I don't know if I mentioned it before, but a big gently caress you to the Black Mask side mission. That's the point where I just gave this game a dismissive wanking motion for the rest of the ride. The other missions you could say were stretches to compare, but this is literally the Bane mission from City lifted wholesale into Origins. That's lazy as poo poo, WB Montreal. Ridiculously so.
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May 23, 2015 03:50
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Kloro posted:Hah. I thought they meant the Mamelukes - enslaved royal bodyguards in medieval Egypt who, like so many other royal bodyguards throughout history, decided to get rid of the king and take over for themselves.
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May 23, 2015 04:27
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Fabricated posted:There's a lot that doesn't make sense in comics regardless of how much you accept suspension of disbelief and you kinda just...have to accept it at some point. DC is like the most liberal universe ever since you can apparently kill thousands of people over the course of years over multiple breakouts and just end right back up in a mental institution instead of being executed. I swear there was an issue that had Joker put on death row for something he didn't do and Bats proved he was being falsely accused. Way to go Batman, save the life of the homicidal, clown maniac.
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May 23, 2015 07:36
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Discendo Vox posted:Video 17 Notes My complaint exactly. The worst of it is that there's no good reason for that - any of the times you venture outside between the towers could have easily been an exit to the overworld, conceptually. And to get back up, Joker's explosive traps could progressively wreck the facade of the towers, offering outside grapple points to get back to however high you already were. I mean, I know it was probably unfeasible given level size constraints particularly for the 360/PS3 versions, but seriously, this is where MY IMMERSION (  ) wandered into the wrong dark alley.I really hope Arkham Knight sticks to its promise of seamless interiors so this kind of poo poo doesn't happen again.
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May 23, 2015 07:59
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Also love how Deadshot and Shiva still attend the meeting, even though you can complete their sidequests before this point. They don't attend though do they? You can see them on TV screens, but I mean, that doesn't mean they're participating, or even that they're teleconferencing in. Fabricated posted:DC is like the most liberal universe ever A world with no capital punishment. THANKS FICTIONAL OBAMA.
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May 23, 2015 08:54
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TwoPair posted:A world with no capital punishment. THANKS FICTIONAL OBAMA.  I voted for Quincy Sharp!
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May 23, 2015 12:22
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Fabricated posted:There's a lot that doesn't make sense in comics regardless of how much you accept suspension of disbelief and you kinda just...have to accept it at some point. DC is like the most liberal universe ever since you can apparently kill thousands of people over the course of years over multiple breakouts and just end right back up in a mental institution instead of being executed. Or you'd figure one of the other homicidal maniacs in Batman's universe would off the guy, for fun or for the huge reward Gotham's citizens would probably put together. I'm seriously confused why someone like Bane, Deathstroke, or Freeze hasn't killed the guy even if the infamously corrupt police don't.
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May 23, 2015 12:51
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Yeah, you'd seriously think one of the thousands of people Joker has killed over the years would have been important to some police officer or Arkham staff member who'd be willing and able to take revenge.
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May 23, 2015 13:56
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This is bizarro America where the cops respect cop killers.
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May 23, 2015 14:28
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It usually doesn't bother me, but it definitely bothered me most in the beginning of Asylum. I just thought, what if one of these SWAT guys does it? Batman will knock them out and they'll go to Blackgate sure, but isn't it worth it? Isn't it worth the possible prison shanking? No jury would convict you anyway and then you just hop the first train to Metropolis or literally anywhere else. They even had Joker do a jump scare. Armed guards with guns pointed at him and none of them had an itchy trigger finger?
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May 23, 2015 14:35
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SonicRulez posted:It usually doesn't bother me, but it definitely bothered me most in the beginning of Asylum. I just thought, what if one of these SWAT guys does it? Batman will knock them out and they'll go to Blackgate sure, but isn't it worth it? Isn't it worth the possible prison shanking? No jury would convict you anyway and then you just hop the first train to Metropolis or literally anywhere else. They even had Joker do a jump scare. Armed guards with guns pointed at him and none of them had an itchy trigger finger? Would a cop who kills the Joker even get sent to Blackgate? There isn't a jury in the world that would condemn the man who killed the Joker. Hell, they'd probably give the man paid time off while they do a perfunctory investigation, then give him a promotion. What I'm getting at is that Batman and his world just don't make sense and this game is more overt about it than usual.
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May 23, 2015 14:37
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I think every time Joker gets killed it is made out to be a super sad thing or the guy who kills him turns into mega hitler.
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Cythereal posted:Would a cop who kills the Joker even get sent to Blackgate? There isn't a jury in the world that would condemn the man who killed the Joker. Hell, they'd probably give the man paid time off while they do a perfunctory investigation, then give him a promotion. Not to mention that every witness would suffer from simultaneous mass amnesia. Every gun held by anyone in a 5 mile radius would suddenly be damaged or disappear and be unavailable to do ballistics analysis. And even though its no longer necessary to have a corpse to convict for murder anymore, the body would be immediately cremated, and shot into space to make drat sure he's dead, but be done in secret so the argument could be made that he may not be dead, but escaped again. And the prosecutor, if he was actively attempting to do this, would end his closing arguments by eating a gun.
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May 23, 2015 15:08
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Of course, if you kill Joker, then Harley would probably murder you in a very disturbing way.
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May 23, 2015 15:13
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Yeah but does Harley know how to make Joker gas?
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May 23, 2015 15:24
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Iretep posted:I think every time Joker gets killed it is made out to be a super sad thing or the guy who kills him turns into mega hitler. See: The entire plot of Injustice: Gods Among Us. "Hey, Joker managed to nuke Metropolis so Supes finally hauled off and ripped his guts out. NOW HE HAS A TASTE FOR BLOOD AND MANFLESH!"
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May 23, 2015 15:30
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Night10194 posted:See: The entire plot of Injustice: Gods Among Us. "Hey, Joker managed to nuke Metropolis so Supes finally hauled off and ripped his guts out. NOW HE HAS A TASTE FOR BLOOD AND MANFLESH!" Maybe it's because I'm American, but I really, really don't get Batman's refusal to kill when it comes to people like the Joker. Refusing to kill mooks, sure, and people who are just victims of another villain (this is Harley, in my opinion), okay, but Batman always says that if he kills that will make him no different from the Joker et al which feels like a hell of a false equivalency and implies that Batman already is just like them he simply hasn't acted on it yet. But then again, I'm probably overthinking comic books and the need to have recurring villains.
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Cythereal posted:and implies that Batman already is just like them he simply hasn't acted on it yet. Definitely makes sense with the end of the Killing Joke, if Batman can laugh (and maybe kill Joker too?) after all that poo poo, yeah, he's just a stuffed shirt Joker too good to murder everyone.
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May 23, 2015 15:43
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If a cop tries to kill the Joker, he will inevitable decide to do something stupid like first beating the Joker up and get up close. Then the Joker will take his gun or strangle him with his handcuffs (and obviously he's not cuffed behind his back) and we have a new Batman adventure.Cythereal posted:Maybe it's because I'm American, but I really, really don't get Batman's refusal to kill when it comes to people like the Joker. Refusing to kill mooks, sure, and people who are just victims of another villain (this is Harley, in my opinion), okay, but Batman always says that if he kills that will make him no different from the Joker et al which feels like a hell of a false equivalency and implies that Batman already is just like them he simply hasn't acted on it yet. I don't think the Joker was such a problem in Arkham Asylum though. Sure, he got lose because the security staff violated security protocol like 56,395 times when transporting him, but the story was basically "lunatics are running the asylum now, stop them" and the Joker is crazy in the most problematic way. It's also easier to imagine the Joker convincing insane criminals to join him than those who are sane. I feel that he was a good choice there, but the game developers need to start thinking about whether or not he really fits in other settings.
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May 23, 2015 16:51
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Cythereal posted:Maybe it's because I'm American, but I really, really don't get Batman's refusal to kill when it comes to people like the Joker. Refusing to kill mooks, sure, and people who are just victims of another villain (this is Harley, in my opinion), okay, but Batman always says that if he kills that will make him no different from the Joker et al which feels like a hell of a false equivalency and implies that Batman already is just like them he simply hasn't acted on it yet. Yeah, my example was meant to be about how silly that feels. No matter how liberal the society, there are some people they just put an end to. I remember at the Occupation museum in Norway, they have an exhibit on how Vudkin Quisling sold out the country to the Nazis. After the war, they voted to reinstate the death penalty for exactly as long as it took to execute him, than made it illegal again.
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I think the core problem with the Joker is that he's basically an open invitation to a) take things as far over the top as the content rating will let you get away with, b) have him do tiresome fourth-wall-breaking stunts and pulling knowledge and preparation out of his rear end because LOL CRAZY MASTERMIND and c) ignore any attempt at consistent characterization because the Joker's so crazy he can be plausibly said to have any goal/internal motivation/hangup/relationship with other characters. It all adds up to something that is not a character but plot spackle that can tie together any number of escalating horrible things for Batman to overcome. There's nothing in particular that the Joker does that other villains haven't done, but he does all of it at the same time, and the more often he's used (because why figure out an actually credible villain scheme when you can just throw the Joker at any half-baked idea) the more tiresome he gets. I think, to a certain degree, that the Joker actually has many of the problems Wonder Woman has - it just feels like there's nothing concrete about him that really sticks, so there's little sense of actual character behind him. All the same he keeps appearing because he's so "iconic", but because he passes through so many hands there never seems to be a chance to build anything lasting that really tells us who he is and what his deal with, other than messing with Batman. There's nowhere to develop or escalate anymore. So, for God's sake, please let him rest, comic book writers.
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FeyerbrandX posted:Not to mention that every witness would suffer from simultaneous mass amnesia. Every gun held by anyone in a 5 mile radius would suddenly be damaged or disappear and be unavailable to do ballistics analysis. And even though its no longer necessary to have a corpse to convict for murder anymore, the body would be immediately cremated, and shot into space to make drat sure he's dead, but be done in secret so the argument could be made that he may not be dead, but escaped again. And the prosecutor, if he was actively attempting to do this, would end his closing arguments by eating a gun.
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May 23, 2015 17:36
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Veyrall posted:Fun fact: Anyone who killed the Joker, even in a premeditated way, could plead self defense on behalf of another. Kinda like how you can use lethal force to stop someone else from being raped or murdered, if there is no alternative, you could use the same logic that the Joker has, overwhelmingly, established a pattern of senseless violence and mayhem and killing him was in the spirit of preventing him from hurting everyone else. Convince a jury and the judge to see it your way, and then you don't have to serve jail time for doing an incredibly sensible and humane thing.
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May 23, 2015 18:15
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Crystalgate posted:Self defense doesn't work that way. Sure, you'd get away with killing the Joker, but if it's premeditated, it's a crime as far as the actual rules are concerned. Counterpoint: it's the loving Joker. I like to think "Not guilty by reason of the victim being the Joker" is an acceptable legal defense in Gotham, especially given how corrupt the police and judicial system are usually established to be in Gotham.
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FeyerbrandX posted:Not to mention that every witness would suffer from simultaneous mass amnesia. Every gun held by anyone in a 5 mile radius would suddenly be damaged or disappear and be unavailable to do ballistics analysis. And even though its no longer necessary to have a corpse to convict for murder anymore, the body would be immediately cremated, and shot into space to make drat sure he's dead, but be done in secret so the argument could be made that he may not be dead, but escaped again. And the prosecutor, if he was actively attempting to do this, would end his closing arguments by eating a gun. Guess there's now a batman or referential equivalent superhero story where they try to solve the case of the
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paragon1 posted:Yeah, you'd seriously think one of the thousands of people Joker has killed over the years would have been important to some police officer or Arkham staff member who'd be willing and able to take revenge. Plot armor... the dude was thrown into a loving vat of acid and chemicals and all that did was turn his skin white, what's a double tap gonna do? Put him in a coma for 24 hours before he comes back crazier than ever with a couple of bullets stuck in his head.
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May 23, 2015 19:53
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Cythereal posted:Counterpoint: it's the loving Joker. I'm telling this because while the Joker is fictional, but people's attitude towards self defense is not. If not you, then there are others who truly think the law gives a crap about who you kill. Having a sympathetic jury is not something you can count on, most deranged people do not have a notable reputation that will drive the jurors into a hatred, never mind that they may see one murderer who killed another instead of a person who defended himself.
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Dariusknight posted:Plot armor... the dude was thrown into a loving vat of acid and chemicals and all that did was turn his skin white, what's a double tap gonna do? Put him in a coma for 24 hours before he comes back crazier than ever with a couple of bullets stuck in his head. nooooooooo really? you don't say  I was pointing out that very contrivance is so overused that it breaks suspension of disbelief into a million little pieces.
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Crystalgate posted:That means you can get away with it, not that it's legal. Ignoring that it is a bit silly to try to apply real world law to comic books, we've had juries in this country buy the self-defense plea on waaaay flimsier grounds than killing a guy who is responsible for more deaths than Osama bin Laden, and who could be pretty reliably be counted on to be plotting or committing a murder at any given time. Anyone know if Gotham is in a stand your ground state? 
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May 23, 2015 20:12
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"The only people who stay dead in comics are Bruce Wayne's parents."
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Night10194 posted:"The only people who stay dead in comics are Bruce Wayne's parents." Well. Sort of.
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May 23, 2015 20:23
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I think Red Arrow's daughter is still dead.
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dscruffy1 posted:Well. Sort of. Let's not get into the multiverse here... mmkay?
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paragon1 posted:I think Red Arrow's daughter is still dead. WELL. No actually yeah Lian Harper is dead. Don't know if she's showed up in Prime Earth. Still a bit of a sticking point between Red Arrow and Cheshire.
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