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Peztopiary
Mar 16, 2009

by exmarx

One Legged Cat posted:

Welllll to his credit, Guilliman didn't have sorcerous reality-bending powers afforded to him as the chosen herald of the Dark Gods like his fuckup brother did.

I think that's a pretty good example of the tilt of power when it comes to Chaos vs. The Imperium, too.

Individually, the Chaos dudes are more outright powerful and can mess around with reality, but have trouble marching in a straight line for ten feet without half the army leaving to pursue their own goals or stab the others in the back. The Imperium might just have plain old guns and guts to rely on, but they have the advantage of coherent tactics and soldiers that are generally shot for even having thoughts about deviating from the plan.

I think one of the things that I like best about the early Heresy is the complete lack of commissars. The Grand Armies of the Imperium don't need them, they don't even exist. I know they aren't out of place in 40k, because of the grim dark, but it'd be nice if they didn't exist in at least some of the armies. It's not like Krieg needs them, not now.

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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Peztopiary posted:

I think one of the things that I like best about the early Heresy is the complete lack of commissars. The Grand Armies of the Imperium don't need them, they don't even exist. I know they aren't out of place in 40k, because of the grim dark, but it'd be nice if they didn't exist in at least some of the armies. It's not like Krieg needs them, not now.

They've been referenced a few times, actually, as "discipline masters" with the overcoat, sash, and hat. Presumably they're not the :commissar: of the 40k setting, but an existing position and role in the Imperial Army that morphed into the 40k commissar over time, probably as a result of the Heresy.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
Krieg Commissars exist to make sure the Krieg don't :blam: their allies for not being faithful enough.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

MrNemo posted:


Of course having that kind of explicit plot armour would also totally ruin any tension in any battle with a Primarch ever again, I think Abnett did a good job of actually making the assassination seem threatening. As others have said that was pretty much a perfect scenario for the assassins too. Primarchs are meant to be as much above Marines as Marines are above humans, would you believe a scene with 10 stormtroopers assasinating a single Marine caught unawares and unarmed?

Then in Unremembered Empire he makes Vulkan everyones bitch. Because of course perpetual means he comes back so it's consequence free to let multiple characters kill him to show how bad rear end they are :rolleyes:.

Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 17:52 on May 25, 2015

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment
Since the regular warhams thread is about a bunch of NERDS painting obscenely expensive plastic (and resin) tiny army men and pushing them across a tabletop, I thought I'd just ask my question here instead. What's this fuss about the new stormtrooper codex?

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Klaus88 posted:

Since the regular warhams thread is about a bunch of NERDS painting obscenely expensive plastic (and resin) tiny army men and pushing them across a tabletop, I thought I'd just ask my question here instead. What's this fuss about the new stormtrooper codex?

Lol if u actually play ham

But srsly idk, no idea

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Klaus88 posted:

Since the regular warhams thread is about a bunch of NERDS painting obscenely expensive plastic (and resin) tiny army men and pushing them across a tabletop, I thought I'd just ask my question here instead. What's this fuss about the new stormtrooper codex?

Why would you think a game manual is on-topic for a fiction thread? Anyway, as far as I know there aren't any new storm trooper codexes. There was one last year, it was small and covered storm troopers and their transports. The full guard codex came out shortly after.

Is this a joke that went over my head? Did you mean to post in the GW death thread instead (they are currently discussing x-wing and star wars in general there)?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Peztopiary posted:

It's not like Krieg needs them, not now.

In Dead Men Walking, it's shown that Krieg Commissars are actually diplomatic officers, sent to speak to people that Lord-Feldmarschall Gunther #7KD-792-2520 either doesn't have the time or is too autistic to speak to. The 'party face', so to speak.

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Klaus88 posted:

Since the regular warhams thread is about a bunch of NERDS painting obscenely expensive plastic (and resin) tiny army men and pushing them across a tabletop, I thought I'd just ask my question here instead. What's this fuss about the new stormtrooper codex?
You should've asked there but whatevs, I'll answer. A stormtrooper codex called Codex: Militarum Tempestus (ugh) came out a year and change ago. It contains rules to use stormtroopers (Tempestus Scions, ugh) Taurox Prime transports, Valkyries, stormtrooper command squads, and Commissars. It doesn't work amazingly well on its own, but as an allied force it can be pretty good, especially if you use one of the formations in the book. I use the Ground Assault Formation which is three squads of troops and one command squad, all mounted in Tauroxes, and any turn they disembark they get twin linked and pinning on all their shooting. It makes them really feel like an elite armored cavalry unit, rolling up, gunning some fools down, then rolling out and doing it again.

It's good but not essential or anything. You can take all the same units out of the regular Guard codex (Astra Militarum. Again, ugh) but they get better orders and unique formations when taken out of the dedicated Stormtrooper dex. I run the Ground Assault Formation and support it with a regular Guard fire support section.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

SRM posted:

Taurox Prime transports (ugh)
You forgot that. I fixed it for you.

CommissarMega posted:

In Dead Men Walking, it's shown that Krieg Commissars are actually diplomatic officers, sent to speak to people that Lord-Feldmarschall Gunther #7KD-792-2520 either doesn't have the time or is too autistic to speak to. The 'party face', so to speak.
Best part of that book was "If you're targeted by a Necron Gauss weapon, toss your plasma gun to another trooper so it doesn't get destroyed. No sense in wasting perfectly good weaponry that we can use."

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

berzerkmonkey posted:

Best part of that book was "If you're targeted by a Necron Gauss weapon, toss your plasma gun to another trooper so it doesn't get destroyed. No sense in wasting perfectly good weaponry that we can use."
Yeah that's 40k as hell

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

All the faux Latin is just so they can copyright something, you can still call them stormtroopers if you want.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
So I saw that both First and Only and Ghostmaker have gotten reprints with new cover art. At the rate they're going, the entire Gaunt's Ghosts line will be reprinted before The Warmaster or Sabbat Crusade reach shelves. You lucky bastards who got the early premium copies of Sabbat Crusade, I am jealous.

The new cover art isn't all that special though. I really miss the oldschool covers for GGs with the wonky proportions on the mysterious "doesn't look at all like Ibram Gaunt" commissar.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
I really like the original cover. It was the first 40k book i bought basically because i liked the cover art and it was imperial guard

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/First-and-Only.jpg

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Straight Silver is my favorite cover piece.

Abyss
Oct 29, 2011
Over half way through Commissar and I must say that I can't wait for it to be over. I've come this far, but even bolter porn is more interesting. The first 150 pages were rough to get through, but it started to get more tolerable afterwards. It could be that I just came off of reading Dan Abnett's Brothers of the Snake, so I'm just used to better writing. I'm just trying to check this one off the list as at last count I have 81 (counting omnibuses as 3) 40k books that I've kept in the backlog.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Abyss posted:

Over half way through Commissar and I must say that I can't wait for it to be over. I've come this far, but even bolter porn is more interesting. The first 150 pages were rough to get through, but it started to get more tolerable afterwards. It could be that I just came off of reading Dan Abnett's Brothers of the Snake, so I'm just used to better writing. I'm just trying to check this one off the list as at last count I have 81 (counting omnibuses as 3) 40k books that I've kept in the backlog.

Take a picture of ur 81 ham books pls

Sulecrist
Apr 5, 2007

Better tear off this bar association logo.
If it's not by Dan Abnett, ADB, Rob Sanders, Chris Wraight, or John French, I pretend it doesn't exist unless reading it is essential to understanding something there's a chance I'll actually like. Although if Gordon Rennie or Simon Spurrier took up the stylus again I'd immediately buy whatever they poo poo out, no questions asked.

I have read other BL authors' books in the past but it just doesn't seem like a good use of my time anymore unless I hear really positive recommendations, they relate to something important, or both (e.g. Thousand Sons). I try out other authors' short stories but I have yet to add any novels to my reading list because of it.

Sulecrist
Apr 5, 2007

Better tear off this bar association logo.
Fun fact, remember how everybody was (justifiably) whining about how lovely McNeill was for naming Little Horus Aximand's dumb sword "Mourn-It-All"? That's actually from Dan Abnett in the Age of Darkness short story "Little Horus," which was okay otherwise.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I finished the first book in the Night Lords omnibus, and I'm still dissatisfied with the way Black library absolutely fails when it comes to endings. I don't think I've read a single book that didn't feel like they cut about thirty pages from it to tie everything up. I get that this was written as a trilogy, but the story of Soul Hunter could have easily have tied up everything and been a complete story on its own without feeling like they're dragging things out for the sake of getting two more books written.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Arcsquad12 posted:

I finished the first book in the Night Lords omnibus, and I'm still dissatisfied with the way Black library absolutely fails when it comes to endings. I don't think I've read a single book that didn't feel like they cut about thirty pages from it to tie everything up. I get that this was written as a trilogy, but the story of Soul Hunter could have easily have tied up everything and been a complete story on its own without feeling like they're dragging things out for the sake of getting two more books written.

Its amazing ill fite u in rl m8

Seriously though like yea its a problem, one Abnett in particular is prone to, but both his and ADBs quality is so high compared to the sea of poo poo surrounding it, ill deal with it because of the strength of their narratives

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Sulecrist posted:

If it's not by Dan Abnett, ADB, Rob Sanders, Chris Wraight, or John French, I pretend it doesn't exist unless reading it is essential to understanding something there's a chance I'll actually like. Although if Gordon Rennie or Simon Spurrier took up the stylus again I'd immediately buy whatever they poo poo out, no questions asked.

I have read other BL authors' books in the past but it just doesn't seem like a good use of my time anymore unless I hear really positive recommendations, they relate to something important, or both (e.g. Thousand Sons). I try out other authors' short stories but I have yet to add any novels to my reading list because of it.

McNeill's Storm of Iron is actually pretty loving good. :black101: as all hell. It's no Night Lords or Eisenhorn, but I'd easily put it up there with Wraight's books which are basically nothing but well-written bolterporn.

It's easily the best thing he's ever written and the only book of his that I actually liked.

rocket_Magnet
Apr 5, 2005

:unsmith:

Khizan posted:

McNeill's Storm of Iron is actually pretty loving good. :black101: as all hell. It's no Night Lords or Eisenhorn, but I'd easily put it up there with Wraight's books which are basically nothing but well-written bolterporn.

It's easily the best thing he's ever written and the only book of his that I actually liked.

I agree completely, if you haven't already give his Mars trilogy a go(priests of Mars, lords of, gods of), as it is certainly a close second to storm of iron. It's certainly far ahead of his other multi part works (Uriel Ventris is the worst).

hopterque
Mar 9, 2007

     sup

Sulecrist posted:

Fun fact, remember how everybody was (justifiably) whining about how lovely McNeill was for naming Little Horus Aximand's dumb sword "Mourn-It-All"? That's actually from Dan Abnett in the Age of Darkness short story "Little Horus," which was okay otherwise.

Little Horus naming his sword that totally fits his character as dumb little sycophant though.

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through
I was really hoping Little Horus wasn't going to follow through with executing Torrgaddon but oh well.

Sulecrist
Apr 5, 2007

Better tear off this bar association logo.

Khizan posted:

McNeill's Storm of Iron is actually pretty loving good. :black101: as all hell. It's no Night Lords or Eisenhorn, but I'd easily put it up there with Wraight's books which are basically nothing but well-written bolterporn.

It's easily the best thing he's ever written and the only book of his that I actually liked.

I re-read it a couple of years ago and did not think it aged super well. I think you're absolutely right to compare it to Wraight's Space Marine Battles books, though; that's exactly what it's like. (Although I think Wraight's prose is less tedious and overwrought than McNeill's and McNeill's characters are generally more interesting and fun than Wraight's.)

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Mcneils Mars series is really good

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Arcsquad12 posted:

I finished the first book in the Night Lords omnibus, and I'm still dissatisfied with the way Black library absolutely fails when it comes to endings. I don't think I've read a single book that didn't feel like they cut about thirty pages from it to tie everything up. I get that this was written as a trilogy, but the story of Soul Hunter could have easily have tied up everything and been a complete story on its own without feeling like they're dragging things out for the sake of getting two more books written.
It doesn't feel like they're dragging things out for the two other books - they're all very different stories with the same crew of characters. There's a tonal throughline through them all, but it's not like it's one big book split up into three. They're my favorite three BL books, period.

Khizan posted:

McNeill's Storm of Iron is actually pretty loving good. :black101: as all hell. It's no Night Lords or Eisenhorn, but I'd easily put it up there with Wraight's books which are basically nothing but well-written bolterporn.

It's easily the best thing he's ever written and the only book of his that I actually liked.
It's one of the first 40k books I've read, and I've gone back and reread it at some point. It's stupid fun, in that it's both really fun and really stupid. There are swordfights between dudes while there's swordfights between titans while there's nukes going off and one hundred Dreadnoughts charging across an open field. It's a popcorn action movie in book form and it excels at that.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce
Apparently McNeill just got hired on as a writer for League of Legends and he's moving to LA. Supposedly he'll still be working for BL as well, but (reasonably) expects that he'll put out less for them than he has.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003
Wow writing schlock for LoL? Guy must be desperate or starving.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Wow writing schlock for LoL? Guy must be desperate or starving.

They're probably going to release a bunch of lore books starring various champions. I bet Riot pays better than Games Workshop, they've been poaching people for years and most of the good EVE Online devs went to them.

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
I've literally never read a thing about league of legends, is it as gay as it sounds

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Good riddance to be honest. He's been active for years and written maybe two decent books.

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

Demon Of The Fall posted:

I've literally never read a thing about league of legends, is it as gay as it sounds

It's more bi. It will have sex with any other MOBA, regardless of gender.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Wow writing schlock for LoL? Guy must be desperate or starving.

Yea he must be desperate to join a company that knows how to make money after spending most of his life working for 120 dollar ebook collectors edition: the company

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

Riot is one of the most successful gaming companies in the world, every other publisher are trying to copy their stuff (most of them are failing). There is over 2 million people playing LoL right now.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Sandweed posted:

Riot is one of the most successful gaming companies in the world, every other publisher are trying to copy their stuff (most of them are failing). There is over 2 million people playing LoL right now.

They could be riffing Dota as well just to add a bit of variety but no, the temptation of grinding fun bux is too much.

Regulus74
Jul 26, 2007

Arcsquad12 posted:

I finished the first book in the Night Lords omnibus, and I'm still dissatisfied with the way Black library absolutely fails when it comes to endings. I don't think I've read a single book that didn't feel like they cut about thirty pages from it to tie everything up. I get that this was written as a trilogy, but the story of Soul Hunter could have easily have tied up everything and been a complete story on its own without feeling like they're dragging things out for the sake of getting two more books written.

I just finished the omnibus for the first time and I couldn't disagree more. The only way ADB could have tied everything up in Soul Hunter is by not writing it at all and just writing Void Stalker.

If you enjoyed the first book at all, I highly recommend reading the rest because 1) it gets better and 2) the end of Void Stalker is a hugely satisfying ten chapter setpiece. I actually came into the thread to talk about how much I liked Void Stalker, specifically the ending. I've only read the Night Lords omnibus and Legion so far and, imo, ADB is much better at gracefully ending a story than Abnett. I like Night Lords more than Legion which should be impossible considering the Alpha Legion has always been my favorite army.

I want to read the James Swallow Sisters of Battle books next but saw that they're not in the OP. Are they terrible? I really like the Adepta Sororitas and they have the potential for some great fluff but I'd rather not spend $24 on two terrible ebooks.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
They're Ok. The first has a better plot but the second has a Mad Scientist Necron so it all evens out.

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The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

The second one suffers a little from "hey, look at all the shiny units from the new codex" syndrome as well. Both mediocre reads. I don't regret reading them, but I won't be re-reading them.

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