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Goetta posted:FIFA has appealed the IRS red card and has ruled in favor of FIFA lol
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stickyfngrdboy posted:One thing one of you doj experts can educate me on: are the people who gave bribes guilty of a crime or is it only those who accept a bribe who are guilty? You should always bribe a cop because if he accepts it you get off and if he doesn't you've done nothing wrong.
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 This should be fun. Go USA, Go RICO, Go Sports
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DivisionPost posted:RICO means they don't need to prove that he asked anyone to bribe anyone. Now I'm not hanging my hopes on Sepp going down on Friday but considering all your posts have amounted to NUH UH YOU'RE STUPID maybe you should shut the gently caress up and let people enjoy this win, however insignificant it turns out to be. What do they have to prove? It's not a win, btw.
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OrangeKing posted:Yes, give FIFA a court-appointed monitor, hahaha.  They actually mentioned that? Also I'm without decent streaming speeds for the moment who is the giant everyone keeps speaking off at the DOJ presser?
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Hegay posted:Honestly I don't care about the corruption, hell I'd be corrupt as hell as well. I just don't want the World Cup to be played in Qatar because a winter world cup will ruin my viewing experience. It's almost as if corruption leads to bad things
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If accepting massive bribes is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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Hegay posted:im starting to root for fifa Would any of these new people have posted in here (or given a poo poo) if any other country in the world had taken the same action? Yeah.
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stickyfngrdboy posted:One thing one of you doj experts can educate me on: are the people who gave bribes guilty of a crime or is it only those who accept a bribe who are guilty? "Bribery is the practice of offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official....", so both/either/federal law makes no distinction between the giver and the receiver.
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Saw on Twitter that a traumatized Sepp Blatter is now carrying a mattress around everywhere he goes
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Legally if you say 'This is not a bribe' when giving a large amount of cash to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation president there is nothing the Feds can do.
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African AIDS cum posted:Saw on Twitter that a traumatized Sepp Blatter is now carrying a mattress around everywhere he goes lol
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African AIDS cum posted:Saw on Twitter that a traumatized Sepp Blatter is now carrying a mattress around everywhere he goes Holy poo poo.
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Martinpale posted:"Bribery is the practice of offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official....", so both/either/federal law makes no distinction between the giver and the receiver. Yeah I thought that was the case but I didn't hear a mention of any of the American marketing companies involved.
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African AIDS cum posted:Saw on Twitter that a traumatized Sepp Blatter is now carrying a mattress around everywhere he goes
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stickyfngrdboy posted:What do they have to prove? Martinpale posted:In order to convict someone under RICO or a state equivalent, it’s no longer necessary to prove the suspect personally committed an illegal activity. Instead, prosecutors must prove: I mean Martinpale could be off base but since he's offering substance and you're offering edgy contrarian nihilism I'm inclined to listen to him and shrug my shoulders if he turns out to be wrong. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 16:39 on May 27, 2015 |
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African AIDS cum posted:Saw on Twitter that a traumatized Sepp Blatter is now carrying a mattress around everywhere he goes this is very problolmatic
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DivisionPost posted:I mean Martinpale could be off base but since he's offering explanations and you're offering edgy contrarian nihilism I'm more willing to listen to him and shrug my shoulders if he turns out to be wrong. Yeah if you think they're going to be able to use those Rico statutes, formulated primarily to get Mafia bosses convicted, against sepp Blatter, im not sure what to tell you. You're not talking about an American resident, much less one that stands on street corners telling his employees to murder folk.
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i dont know if theyll arrest sepp or not but yeah under rico you just need proof that the organization partook in organized bribery and stuff. its designed to take down organized crime bosses who rarely, if ever, personally commit the crimes that their organizations practice, because otherwise they could just use plausible deniability to never get arrested. so it's possible the doj is hoping to get some of these guys to turn state's witness and thus take down blatt, but gently caress if i know what they're gonna do its probably not that, though
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corn in the bible posted:i dont know if theyll arrest sepp or not but yeah under rico you just need proof that the organization partook in organized bribery and stuff. its designed to take down organized crime bosses who rarely, if ever, personally commit the crimes that their organizations practice, because otherwise they could just use plausible deniability to never get arrested. so it's possible the doj is hoping to get some of these guys to turn state's witness and thus take down blatt, but gently caress if i know what they're gonna do stfu
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African AIDS cum posted:Saw on Twitter that a traumatized Sepp Blatter is now carrying a mattress around everywhere he goes lmao
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DivisionPost posted:I mean Martinpale could be off base but since he's offering explanations and you're offering edgy contrarian nihilism I'm more willing to listen to him and shrug my shoulders if he turns out to be wrong. I could very well be off base, all i'm trying to do is post the relevant sections of the law and let people make their own determinations from that. The easiest way to say what they have to prove is this: first, they have to prove the racketeering. If they can prove that, then they can go for RICO violations related to the racketeering, namely that there'a a pattern of wrongdoing. "In order to establish a pattern, the plaintiff should prove a relationship between the acts of racketeering activity charged and a threat of continuing activity, or continuity of such activity." FIFA gets implicated due to the part where they were able to commit racketeering due to being members of FIFA..it was possible because of FIFA's resources and access to people. stickyfngrdboy posted:Yeah if you think they're going to be able to use those Rico statutes, formulated primarily to get Mafia bosses convicted, against sepp Blatter, im not sure what to tell you. You're not talking about an American resident, much less one that stands on street corners telling his employees to murder folk. Extradition. Treaty. He doesn't have to be an american resident, that has nothing to do with anything. There's a reason why he won't set foot in the U.S. We Got Us A Bread fucked around with this message at 16:48 on May 27, 2015 |
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Kwagga posted:Really don't know where I prefer to put my corn at this point This is like Batman fighting Superman
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stickyfngrdboy posted:Yeah if you think they're going to be able to use those Rico statutes, formulated primarily to get Mafia bosses convicted, against sepp Blatter, im not sure what to tell you. You're not talking about an American resident, much less one that stands on street corners telling his employees to murder folk. YOU loving CLOWN, at LEAST read the case examples in which RICO has been enforced before you run your stupid loving mouth about what does and does not fall under the purview of an American law you literally had no idea existed until 45 seconds ago.
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stickyfngrdboy posted:Yeah if you think they're going to be able to use those Rico statutes, formulated primarily to get Mafia bosses convicted, against sepp Blatter, im not sure what to tell you. You're not talking about an American resident, much less one that stands on street corners telling his employees to murder folk. The United States can arrest anyone anywhere (except Russia and NK).
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An underrated aspect of this is FIFA sponsors are going to start pulling out in droves. Watch that funding dry up.
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Bobby Digital posted:This is the real reason for the scooter, so he could go pette his cattes. Walking would get to be a hassle. out
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stickyfngrdboy posted:Yeah if you think they're going to be able to use those Rico statutes, formulated primarily to get Mafia bosses convicted, against sepp Blatter, im not sure what to tell you. You're not talking about an American resident, much less one that stands on street corners telling his employees to murder folk. From what (admittedly little) I understand, you're talking about a non-American resident whose international organization used American banks to facilitate its bribes and tax evasion, which is ultimately money out of America's pocket. So as far as the DOJ (and most of the free world) is concerned, their county has been wronged and that gives them the right to seek restitution. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 16:53 on May 27, 2015 |
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Kwagga posted:Really don't know where I prefer to put my corn at this point lol
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African AIDS cum posted:An underrated aspect of this is FIFA sponsors are going to start pulling out in droves. Watch that funding dry up. I'm sure Qatar can chip in a couple more billion to offset it
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stickyfngrdboy posted:Yeah if you think they're going to be able to use those Rico statutes, formulated primarily to get Mafia bosses convicted, against sepp Blatter, im not sure what to tell you. You're not talking about an American resident, much less one that stands on street corners telling his employees to murder folk. You're retarded dude
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African AIDS cum posted:An underrated aspect of this is FIFA sponsors are going to start pulling out in droves. Watch that funding dry up. Think Coca-Cola is gonna let Pepsi have a shot at getting the World Cup? No chance
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DivisionPost posted:From what (admittedly little) I understand, you're talking about a non-American resident whose international organization used American banks to facilitate its bribes and tax evasion, which is ultimately money out of America's pocket. So as far as the DOJ is concerned, it's open season. As history shows us, the DOJ LOVES to bring down the heads of things on Tax Evasion charges.
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I should pull out my one-off corn in the fridge gimmick account for this thread.
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El Hefe posted:Think Coca-Cola is gonna let Pepsi have a shot at getting the World Cup? No chance FIFA is going to be lucky to get RC Cola after the DOJ drops a people's elbow on them.
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