How are you going to vote on May 7th? This poll is closed. |
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Conservative | 72 | 6.22% | |
Labour | 410 | 35.41% | |
Liberal Democrat | 46 | 3.97% | |
UKIP | 69 | 5.96% | |
Green | 199 | 17.18% | |
SNP | 121 | 10.45% | |
DUP | 0 | 0% | |
Sinn Fein | 35 | 3.02% | |
Plaid Cymru | 20 | 1.73% | |
Respect | 3 | 0.26% | |
Monster Raving Loony | 56 | 4.84% | |
BNP | 23 | 1.99% | |
Some flavour of socialist party | 37 | 3.20% | |
Some flavour of communist party | 27 | 2.33% | |
Independent | 3 | 0.26% | |
Other | 37 | 3.20% | |
Total: | 1158 votes |
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thehustler posted:I don't want religious people in parliaments making decisions based on ideology and faith instead of appraising evidence. Those Lords have to go. I have some bad news for you... it's not just the lords from the church who do this, in fact only yesterday folks were talking about drug policy... it's quite clear that a lot of parliamentarians do not base policy on evidence.
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# ? May 28, 2015 11:58 |
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thehustler posted:I don't want religious people in parliaments making decisions based on ideology and faith instead of appraising evidence. Those Lords have to go. When someone agrees with what I say, they are rational evidence-led empiricists. When someone disagrees with me, they are blind dogmatic ideologues. Ideological neoliberals (a favourite insult on the UKMT!), ideological socialists, ideological greens and ideological nationalists, we just elected 650 of them a few weeks ago, and gave them far more power than that is held by a very small sub-section of the legislatively inferior second chamber. If you want to eradicate ideology from Parliament there are better places to start than about twenty-odd bishops who are open about it and aren't noted for dramatic laws. And many MPs are religious as well, twisting debate further still with all that ideology and faith. Are they all to be thrown out? kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 12:26 on May 28, 2015 |
# ? May 28, 2015 12:00 |
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Jose posted:How urgently does westminster palace needs repairs and are there any plans for where parliament would move since there's no money to fix it? The Queen Elizabeth II conference centre in Westminster. But as a temporary measure because they will find the money to fix the palace.
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# ? May 28, 2015 12:15 |
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JFairfax posted:I have some bad news for you... it's not just the lords from the church who do this, in fact only yesterday folks were talking about drug policy... it's quite clear that a lot of parliamentarians do not base policy on evidence. kapparomeo posted:When someone agrees with what I say, they are rational evidence-led empiricists. When someone disagrees with me, they are blind dogmatic ideologues. Ideological neoliberals (a favourite insult on the UKMT!), ideological socialists, ideological greens and ideological nationalists, we just elected 650 of them a few weeks ago, and gave them far more power than that is held by a very small sub-section of the legislatively inferior second chamber. If you want to eradicate ideology from Parliament there are better places to start than about twenty-odd bishops who are open about it and aren't noted for dramatic laws. I hate you both for bringing up good points
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# ? May 28, 2015 12:47 |
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thehustler posted:I hate you both for bringing up good points The issue is surely the lack of democratic accountability, not that they are religious or ideological.
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# ? May 28, 2015 12:49 |
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Guavanaut posted:This is good and I like it. No clapping in the skip, sir
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# ? May 28, 2015 13:01 |
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Prince John posted:If I can weight in to this debate, the Independent has a roundup here dated 2008 (i.e. after 11 years, not the full 13), saying 3,600 new offences, almost 1 per day in office.
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# ? May 28, 2015 13:26 |
quote:The UK's Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has said a whistleblower's concerns about Trident nuclear submarine safety have not been proved. Hmm yes, I imagine it would be difficult to prove it, what with the fact what he was describing sounded like a malfunction that would result in er...well, a nuclear explosion.
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# ? May 28, 2015 14:16 |
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quote:and, where appropriate, from which lessons had been learned ah, the military
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# ? May 28, 2015 14:32 |
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Its amazing there haven't been any major accidents considering it seems nobody bothers to care for their nuclear arsenals
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# ? May 28, 2015 14:35 |
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Jose posted:nuclear arsenals
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WMain00 posted:Hmm yes, I imagine it would be difficult to prove it, what with the fact what he was describing sounded like a malfunction that would result in er...well, a nuclear explosion. The whistleblower was a credulous and laughably inexperienced dumbass, and I suspect Fallon said that while holding back giggles. There may well be (and probably are) serious problems with the way Trident is run, but that guy wasn't the one to expose them.
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Jose posted:Its amazing there haven't been any major accidents considering it seems nobody bothers to care for their nuclear arsenals Like the Windscale fire, it was only through major campaigning by a couple of concerned physicists that they even added filters to the chimneys of the Windscale Piles, and they were mocked for it. The fire would have been hundreds of times worse without it. Or anything involving the Demon core. Or half of the early stuff in the Soviet enrichment projects, notably the Kyshtym disaster. e: Really just highlight all of this: quote:Winston Churchill publicly committed the UK to building a hydrogen bomb, and gave the scientists a tight schedule in which to do so. This was then hastened after the US and USSR began working on a test ban and possible disarmament agreements which would begin to take effect in 1958. To meet this deadline there was no chance of building a new reactor to produce the required tritium, so the Windscale Pile 1 fuel loads were modified by adding enriched uranium and lithium-magnesium, the latter of which would produce tritium during neutron bombardment. All of these materials were highly flammable, and a number of the Windscale staff raised the issue of the inherent dangers of the new fuel loads. These concerns were brushed aside. Eh, just change the whole spec, saw some of the cooling fins off, and run it at higher power. I'd be cautious about doing that with something I was working on in my shed, but it passes for standard practice in a loving nuclear pile. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 14:49 on May 28, 2015 |
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I think it'd be great if parliament moved out of Westminster while the repairs take place. Move to Liverpool, cardiff, glasgow...spread it somewhere half the mps have never been. Go see somewhere north of the Watford gap. If Cameron really is a unionist he should be touring the union.
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# ? May 28, 2015 14:51 |
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winegums posted:I think it'd be great if parliament moved out of Westminster while the repairs take place. Move to Liverpool, cardiff, glasgow...spread it somewhere half the mps have never been. Go see somewhere north of the Watford gap.
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# ? May 28, 2015 15:05 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:The vast majority of the things listed in that article are perfectly sensible, they've just been stripped of all context by a dishonest twat. And I fell for it, welp! I do like multilateral nuclear disarmament. I still would be interested in the number compared to previous governments - this article suggests that Blair was creating them at twice the rate of the previous Tory administrations of Thatcher and Major. Some notable figures: quote:Shami Chakrabarti, the director of human rights group Liberty, said the figures demonstrated that politicians were becoming "addicted to law making". She said: "The next time the cry goes up to legislate our way out of a crisis, a deep breath from the Home Office might just be more inspiring than further statutory graffiti." I think my beef with a lot of them is that they sound like offences that should be punished by fines, not a criminal record which will ruin the rest of your life: quote:Scallop Fishing Order 2004 - If a boat breaches the restrictions in articles 3, 4 or 5, the master, owner and charterer are each guilty of an offence. quote:Transport Act 2003 quote:Polish Potatoes (Notification) (England) Order 2004 Import a Polish potato? Take that, criminal! quote:Learning and Skills Act 2000 What does "the work" mean? If you disagree with them and refuse to carry out an order, are you committing a criminal offence rather than having a workplace disagreement? quote:Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005 quote:Bus Lane Contraventions (Penalty Charges, Adjudication and Enforcement) (England) Regulations 2005 So you don't turn up for your traffic ticket, and you're guilty of a criminal offence? I realise this is all a bit flippant, and maybe there are good reasons for making criminals out of people who don't nominate keyholders when fitting a burgler alarm, but it all smacks of an authoritarian streak to me. Well of course we won't actually prosecute you for leaving your house alarm going off, unless you're <insert undesirable quality>.
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Prince John posted:And I fell for it, welp! I do like multilateral nuclear disarmament. As with the below. To pick 2 of the first 3 (because I know the reasons off the top of my head): Prince John posted:Bit harsh on the owner, who presumably is nowhere near the boat. You've got to prosecute the owner in these kind of cases, otherwise the owner can put pressure on the actual people on the ground (or at sea!) to cut corners illegally, under threat of losing their job, and walk away scot free if they get caught. Prince John posted:Import a Polish potato? Take that, criminal! Poland had (has?) a problem with ring rot in potatoes, which is spread by a bacterium that can survive for several years on material that comes into contact with an infected potato. It spreads quickly, and easily, and is devastating. It's the kind of thing that can completely gently caress up potato farming in a country.
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WMain00 posted:Hmm yes, I imagine it would be difficult to prove it, what with the fact what he was describing sounded like a malfunction that would result in er...well, a nuclear explosion. It would have to be a very specific malfunction.
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# ? May 28, 2015 15:44 |
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Quick ones for the others: Posing as an air traffic control could kill hundreds of people very easily, I'm not sure why you think that it shouldn't be forbidden. "Obstructing the work of the Childrens Commision in Wales" will be about covering up abuse, similarly with the Adult schools thing (which is now part of ofsted). If you have a house alarm and leave on holiday for a fortnight and it goes off on day 1, what exactly is the procedure here? It's so that the people who install them have to tell people "You need someone nearby who knows the code and has a key just in case"
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# ? May 28, 2015 15:47 |
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Network Rail strike looks to be back on: 24hr strike from 1700 Thursday 4th June - 1659 Friday 5th June. 48hr strike from 1700 Tuesday 9th June - 1659 Thursday 11th June. Overtime ban 0001 Sat 6th June - 2359 Friday 12th June
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# ? May 28, 2015 16:13 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Quick ones for the others: Re the ATC, because they could be charged with any number of other offences, including manslaughter if that happened. How many fake air traffic control centres were set up before the law was introduced? I understand the rationale for having some sort of rule about house alarms, I just strongly disagree that failing to comply should get you a criminal record and a wrecked life. Anyway, I do appreciate the serious posts in response and I won't argue the point any more.
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# ? May 28, 2015 16:29 |
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Semprini posted:They just move the missiles around a lot and never try to shoot them. Ahahaha, I get this, it amused me.
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# ? May 28, 2015 16:31 |
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Bozza posted:Network Rail strike looks to be back on: What's the inside story Bozza? Looking at the Beeb article, I can see that the RMT are claiming that (i) staff are living in fear of their livelihoods and (ii) that their standard of living is under attack. Neither of these statements seem to sit well with the latest offer, which includes (i) no compulsory redundancies for the duration of the pay deal and (ii) pay rises of 1 and 1.5%. Prince John fucked around with this message at 16:44 on May 28, 2015 |
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thehustler posted:I don't want religious people in parliaments making decisions based on ideology and faith instead of appraising evidence. Those Lords have to go. If we're going to start making objections to people making decisions based on faith and ideology instead of evidence we may need to eject all of the politicians and 90% of the electorate. I would venture that the average preacher is probably at least more in touch with reality than the average senior politician.
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OwlFancier posted:I would venture that the average preacher is probably at least more in touch with reality than the average senior politician. I'd second that in a heartbeat. I'm a pretty militant atheist, but my family isn't so I've had a lot of contact over the years with various ministers. Maybe I've just met the good ones, but I certainly couldn't tackle their job - from morning to night they're basically immersing themselves in the human misery of their parish at all hours, visiting those most in need, and somehow managing to keep a cheerful face presented to the world all the while.
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Which is part of why I don't mind them being in government, they're probably more qualified than most of the other politicians, elected or otherwise, and generally the church's position is making GBS threads on the government for their lovely policies, which I approve of, and is in-keeping with their historic role.
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# ? May 28, 2015 17:07 |
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Jose posted:How urgently does westminster palace needs repairs and are there any plans for where parliament would move since there's no money to fix it? Move it to Edinburgh, already has a spare chamber in the old parliament building.
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# ? May 28, 2015 17:21 |
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Prince John posted:What's the inside story Bozza? Looking at the Beeb article, I can see that the RMT are claiming that (i) staff are living in fear of their livelihoods and (ii) that their standard of living is under attack. Firstly, this needs to be seen from the context of the previous offers that have been put on the table which bordered from the bad to the, frankly, insulting. The company has not showered itself in glory and after several years of frosty followed by pretty decent industrial relations the company has managed to lose the trust of many employees. (i) No compulsory redundancies for two years. Good on paper until you realise that there are going to be several thousand people laid off in the coming years. NR has committed to a programme of signal box closure that will see the current 800+ locations rationalised to approximately 14. We were planning on shutting 10 boxes down in Western when I worked there and that caused 45-50 people to lose their jobs, many without directly transferable skills. This will be taking place over the next 5-10 years. Similarly, there has been a push to reduce the staffing on maintenance (2 man teams rather than 3) which will again result in a lot of lay offs. People uncertain about their future within the organisation. (ii) Anything less than an RPI+ pay rise will be, rightly, seen as an attack on living standards. Redundancy payments and pensions are based on salaries so there is a great impetuous on the unions to not accept anything less. Mark Carne also enjoyed a ~40% pay rise compared to his predecessor in the CEO role when starting. This is particularly insulting when the company compares workers salaries in the railway to teachers and nurses and the CEO is pulling in £675,000 a year. The unions have tried to moderate but NR insists on antagonising a demoralised and angry workforce - this is the result.
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Rolled Cabbage posted:using the british attitudes survey so..13.44 Christian Lords, 9.8 A-religious Lords and 2.34 all other religion Lords, with the remaining 'floating' lord probably being atheist if you round up. If the atheist lord was actually floating I'd probably start believing tbh.
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OwlFancier posted:Which is part of why I don't mind them being in government, they're probably more qualified than most of the other politicians, elected or otherwise, and generally the church's position is making GBS threads on the government for their lovely policies, which I approve of, and is in-keeping with their historic role. I dislike the idea of that being because they are from a certain specific religion which is established above all others in the legislature. At the moment it seems like we can't have one without the other though.
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Guavanaut posted:I like the idea of compassionate people, with a specific formal education that covers moral and ethical issues, a long career of helping all kinds of people in society, and a history of criticizing austerity and supporting the poor having a certain number of given seats in the upper house. I'd agree, like I say I'd be quite pleased if we started including more religious representatives from other religions in the upper house, not least because it might help with interreligious dialogue a little. I'd wager many of the religions practiced in the UK share common ground on a lot of practical issues relating to their adherents. Having representatives from multiple religions in agreement on what needs to be done to help those in need would be a refreshing alternative to angry radicals getting deported for hate speech, which is what tends to be picked up on more often nowadays. Going for a full PR system would be difficult given the number of minority religions but I think it's better for them to be slightly overrepresented than not represented at all, as the point is perhaps less about giving religious leaders direct political power, and more giving them a platform to criticize policy when it fails people. If the religious appointees reach a point where they are clearly not acting in anybody's best interest then you could review the idea but as it stands, I genuinely have a hard time believing they wouldn't be better than most of both houses. And if the worst comes to the worst we might get to watch an Imam climb the speaker's chair and deliver a flying missile dropkick the Bishop of Durham, which would be funny to watch. Win win if you ask me. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:44 on May 28, 2015 |
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Thanks!
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# ? May 28, 2015 17:44 |
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Prince John posted:Re the ATC, because they could be charged with any number of other offences, including manslaughter if that happened. How many fake air traffic control centres were set up before the law was introduced? quote:The number of incidents in which radio hackers have broken into frequencies used by British air traffic controllers and given false instructions to pilots, or broadcasted fake distress calls, are on an alarming rise. There were three such incidents there in 1998, 18 last year, and now, so far this year, 20. (From an August 2000 article from ABC) So more than you'd think!
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# ? May 28, 2015 18:04 |
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The best electoral system to use would probably be AMS in that you still have the "local MP" thing while also being a form of PR. It's worked in Scotland, Wales and London without confusing too many people so that should get through the "people won't understand it!!!" argument. Although it's the electoral system that UKIP want, which probably means that it's bad I'd personally rather have the German system (it looks the same to the voter but the way they calculate seats is better) ideally with open lists, but that isn't something they would adopt
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-hellhole.html Syrian and Afghan refugees ruin Daily Mail readers lovely holiday in Kos. This is so close to parody.
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Goes to island in the middle of a sea where there is a large amount of people fleeing war, is shocked that there are people there.
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# ? May 28, 2015 18:49 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:
Also at the article calling them 'radio hackers'. They didn't break into poo poo, they got a transmitter and set it to a band that they shouldn't, like every radio pirate ever (but with far shittier goals; you could argue that UK metropolitan pirate radio in the 90s/00s did a lot for local alternative music pre-broadband). EvilGenius posted:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-hellhole.html
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# ? May 28, 2015 19:05 |
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BigPaddy posted:Goes to island in the middle of a sea where there is a large amount of people fleeing war, is shocked that there are people there. Yes, but they're taking up all that space in somewhere nice. These tourists have worked hard and strived so that they can have a nice place where the weather is nice and people treat you well. If these foreign folk are so desperate for somewhere they can jolly well go somewhere unpleasant, maybe where the weather is crap and noone never smiles, like England. Wait no hang on
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# ? May 28, 2015 19:08 |
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EvilGenius posted:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-hellhole.html "It's enough to put you off your pie and chips and sangria, isn't it Sandra?"
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happyhippy posted:"It's enough to put you off your pie and chips and sangria, isn't it Sandra?" Alternate headline "Brits flee rain, disgusted to meet people who fled bombs".
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