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PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~

Hortism posted:

Wow, that's super unlucky. I think out of the five armies I've bought, I've only had one slightly messed up arm (curiously enough also on a bolt). Much better than the time I bought a box of necron warriors and half their chest pieces looked like they'd been melted...

Yeah, I assume its just an aberration. I dont really get wound up about it, I just wish I had something to paint. I am going to a warmachine tourney today at a store that sells some infinity, I might buy a model to tide me over :v:

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JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Not a viking posted:

Oh wow. I thought that was set in stone as a no considering the "all coordinated models need to have the same target". That is some powerful stuff!

If the skill required a target that is true, but apparently the requirement to be in base contact with the objective is not the same thing as targeting, which apparently only applies to attacks.

MJ12
Apr 8, 2009

PaintVagrant posted:

Yeah, I just dont know the optimal way to do it. Any ideas?

Maybe the Sniper Bolt and 2 Fusis, then the rest in a 10 unit group?

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


PaintVagrant posted:

Yeah, I just dont know the optimal way to do it. Any ideas?
I'd go with dropping a Bolt and some Fusiliers, reshuffling them into some more expensive profiles which can still be specialists, like the Deva. It kinda depends on what style of play you want to go for buddy, NCA is a pretty good sectorial!

dexefiend
Apr 25, 2003

THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!
How does Tohaa deal with Swiss Guard? Even after burning his TO off, I couldn't kill him with him sitting at armor eight.

He also had really good BTS, so my viral weapons didn't offer any advantage.

Edit: I'm also kind of pissed that they didn't remove the stupid fire weakness with the new rules, and instead added water pokemon.

dexefiend fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 30, 2015

admanb
Jun 18, 2014

Boarding Shotguns are pretty good, if you can get in close.

Otherwise you're working with the standard tactics for factions without access to AP HMGs, which is to link up an HMG and hope.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


dexefiend posted:

Edit: I'm also kind of pissed that they didn't remove the stupid fire weakness with the new rules, and instead added water pokemon.
the fire weakness is a balancing factor to your guys having super suits

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

Flipswitch posted:

the fire weakness is a balancing factor to your guys having super suits

This. Tohaa are really points efficient.

As for killing a Swiss Guard... do you have to? You could also just pop smoke. If the Swiss Guard really has to die, then preferably you really want to flank him to get rid of the cover ARM bonus. Drop a Gao-Tarsos behind him, perhaps? Generally you want to circumvent your opponent's strengths, not confront them head-on, and PanO loves straight up firefights.

Corbeau fucked around with this message at 22:00 on May 30, 2015

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Yeah im talking to dexe on steam atm and it sounds like the scenario had the Swiss in its ideal situations. The best bet I can give is to use anti-camo and anti tech stuff as best as you can which I know isn't a great response but it's the best thing I can recommend. E/M grenades/launchers, HFTs and co-ordinated orders are the best bet, it's basically a TAG in all but name so treat it as such. I mean it's cheaper than a few TAGs in the game and harder to kill than some as well!

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Kinda wanna play with a Squalo in my next list and build around it. I'm not actually sure the Squalo is worth fielding if you're not using the HGL variant either, thoughts?

Exmond
May 31, 2007

Writing is fun!
Looks like there is going to be another scenery set, but this time based off of aleph:

Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
Anyone have a feel for how sturdy these are? For reference, I have the starter Dropzone Commander set and using those card buildings as stand in scenery for my Infinity games has convinced me that they may not be total crap. I just don't have the space for a ton of resin or mdf stuff.

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

Flipswitch posted:

Kinda wanna play with a Squalo in my next list and build around it. I'm not actually sure the Squalo is worth fielding if you're not using the HGL variant either, thoughts?

What does the Squalo do that the aforementioned Swiss Guard doesn't do?

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Corbeau posted:

What does the Squalo do that the aforementioned Swiss Guard doesn't do?
Has a HGL and a MULTI HMG, doesn't have to roll guts checks, +3 ARM. It's a different profile.

E: Squalo also has increased speed and mobility with silhouette based mobility.

Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 17:42 on May 31, 2015

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
You can play squalo LT in neoterra right? That plus a bunch of bolts might be fun.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


PaintVagrant posted:

You can play squalo LT in neoterra right? That plus a bunch of bolts might be fun.
Yeah you can, it loses out on the HGL and the Squalo lost its HFT from N2 , so I don't think it's a very strong pick as an Lt other than investing the Lt order itself on it each turn, you know?

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
It seems liberating to just be able to freely use the Extra order and not be worried about lol. But yeah no flamer no hgl is a bummer.

I used my drago a couple times last night in 300 points vs my buddies nomads. First 2 orders it died in ARO to a tsyklon with feurbach, managing to kill an intruder hmg.

Next game I spent 6 orders on it to kill tsyklon and a gecko, only to have it get smashed by a tomcat DEP while I was suppressive firing.

I need new dice :v:

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

Flipswitch posted:

Has a HGL and a MULTI HMG, doesn't have to roll guts checks, +3 ARM. It's a different profile.

E: Squalo also has increased speed and mobility with silhouette based mobility.

Sure. The point of the question is whether or not those differences are relevant to you. They probably aren't to me, at least not if you're passing on the HGL, so I'd rather have the Swiss 9 times out of 10.

e: Specifically, I think TO Camo trumps +3 ARM and I like the Swiss' weapon loadouts.

Corbeau fucked around with this message at 18:04 on May 31, 2015

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Yeah the Swiss is a great model no questions asked and normally is my default choice when I want something and am maximizing my costs. I'm partial to playing my Squalo next week over it though because I don't need a top tier list for casual play and I fancy playing a shiny TAG. I'm also planning very much to use the HGL otherwise I think the Squalo is a dead pick over something like a Jotum. I'm liable to pick out an NCA list for the Squalo as well and Uhlans are Stingrays and therefore get neglected by CB and just using a Silhouette template is a bit lame.

I am a fan of the extra STR and the +3 ARM for the Squalo, it helps it keep around in SF where anti camo threats can start to scalpel out the Swiss sometimes, it depends on the table ofc and sometimes Advanced ECM (sometimes meaning once) and MULTI comes up for the Squalo. The mobility comes up a lot as well. Both are good options but the Swiss is a lot cheaper and TO Camo is TO Camo.

PaintVagrant posted:

It seems liberating to just be able to freely use the Extra order and not be worried about lol. But yeah no flamer no hgl is a bummer.

I used my drago a couple times last night in 300 points vs my buddies nomads. First 2 orders it died in ARO to a tsyklon with feurbach, managing to kill an intruder hmg.

Next game I spent 6 orders on it to kill tsyklon and a gecko, only to have it get smashed by a tomcat DEP while I was suppressive firing.

I need new dice :v:
drat that is rough, usually my buddies Dragao (or mine when I do take it, it's a great TAG) tends to go on a rampage, what type of ranges were you using it at? It's got a fairly narrow corridor of optimal use, if that makes sense.

The order is gravy on Lt TAGs and is a good reason why the Jotum is 3 SWC, otherwise it can get out of hand very quickly. I'm just not sure that the Squalo itself is worth using for that Order, maybe in NCA with Bolts but that's a very specific synergy I've tried and I think a bit weak if fun.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Springfield Fatts posted:

Anyone have a feel for how sturdy these are? For reference, I have the starter Dropzone Commander set and using those card buildings as stand in scenery for my Infinity games has convinced me that they may not be total crap. I just don't have the space for a ton of resin or mdf stuff.

They're quite sturdy but very light, so there might be some problem with containers slinging around unless you put some stuff in. The larger buildings are designed to take a brown Infinity model box for extra stability.

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~

Flipswitch posted:



drat that is rough, usually my buddies Dragao (or mine when I do take it, it's a great TAG) tends to go on a rampage, what type of ranges were you using it at? It's got a fairly narrow corridor of optimal use, if that makes sense.

The order is gravy on Lt TAGs and is a good reason why the Jotum is 3 SWC, otherwise it can get out of hand very quickly. I'm just not sure that the Squalo itself is worth using for that Order, maybe in NCA with Bolts but that's a very specific synergy I've tried and I think a bit weak if fun.

Mostly 0 or +3. My dice just poo poo on my face, the Drago should have housed everything that it faced, as far as dice math is concerned.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


:rip: TAG

That's a bit of a bummer buddy, hope it works out better next time, it's a rad model and has rad rules to go with it.

Springfield Fatts posted:

Anyone have a feel for how sturdy these are? For reference, I have the starter Dropzone Commander set and using those card buildings as stand in scenery for my Infinity games has convinced me that they may not be total crap. I just don't have the space for a ton of resin or mdf stuff.

Pierzak posted:

They're quite sturdy but very light, so there might be some problem with containers slinging around unless you put some stuff in. The larger buildings are designed to take a brown Infinity model box for extra stability.
Yeah, weigh them down and they are pretty decent for some on the cheap terrain, we use the shipping containers to bulk up light tables quite a bit.

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
Im not too depressed about it. I think hes just mad at me because I havent attached his ammo chain yet.

He also has a pegleg because I am still waiting on the correct leg from CB :v:

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Reminds me of the first few times I played with my Cutter, I had the rear fins missing in my box but the very first fight it went into, a Chasseur suicide charged it and one shot it with an LFT. :v:

Exmond
May 31, 2007

Writing is fun!

Flipswitch posted:

Reminds me of the first few times I played with my Cutter, I had the rear fins missing in my box but the very first fight it went into, a Chasseur suicide charged it and one shot it with an LFT. :v:

Chasseurs are like.. suicide bombers. They are great and i love them.

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid


Honestly don't know what I think about the new Umbra Legates. I liked the other one better.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
I like the different Umbra if it's a mislabeled combi variant.
If it's a BS then it's terrible because you can't tell the weapons apart and there's no HD of any kind visible (the hacker is the only BS loadout).

Hortism
Oct 25, 2010

Nothing for me this month, but those Naffatun look rad. Just checked the old model and they looked kinda lame.

Haq seems to be getting a lot out of these re-sculpts. A lot of their old stuff, like the Ghazis, were ridiculously outdated and pretty hideous.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Copy pasting from my metas facebook group:
I need to see the Umbra in person cause it looks busy as anything.

Croc Man looks great, really glad I never got around to buying the old MSR one in the past years, ace, just my Combi and Hackers that need a resculpt now CB!

The Naffa look great, don't think they needed a resculpt but it's a welcome one. Woman should have kept her helmet on because apparently her boob plate isn't enough of a tell signal for some.

I think the Intruder is the weakest sculpt, still looks good.


E: Crocman has a cameltoe.

Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jun 2, 2015

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
ALEPH sculpts are awful.

Squibsy
Dec 3, 2005

Not suited, just booted.
College Slice
I like all these new sculpts. The Naffatun in particular are super rad. I like that they have gear that looks substantially different to other Haqq infantry, and appropriate to flamethrower dudes.

Edit: also great that there are four of them now. I always wanted more of these guys.

Pyrolocutus
Feb 5, 2005
Shape of Flame



Those new Naffatun, goddamn.

I'm hoping MM puts a sale on Infinity sometime soon, but between that and the Azra'il, I may have to make an order sooner rather than later.

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid
The whole regal silouette of the original umbra is lost in this model. I saw a documentary once about animation and one Disney animator told how it was hard to create dynamic movement for "stiff" models like Jaffar from Aladdin. I can see what he means because the new umbra doesn't look anything like the original one.

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades
Well, nothing of interest for me this month. Not as much a fan of the new Naffatun as I thought, though there's nothing wrong with them. It's a pretty great design, but it would clash hard with the Naffatun that I already own.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Corbeau posted:

Well, nothing of interest for me this month. Not as much a fan of the new Naffatun as I thought, though there's nothing wrong with them. It's a pretty great design, but it would clash hard with the Naffatun that I already own.
Rebuy them all then duh - CB.



Really digging that Croc, it's really growing on me and the shotgun dude looked fantastic as well. Really hoping out now for the Combi and Hacker to get resculpted to complete the suite. Would kill for an Auxilia resculpt now too.

Squibsy
Dec 3, 2005

Not suited, just booted.
College Slice
I'm not even sure I can claim to play this game anymore. My last game was against Genghis Cohen, like two years ago?

But gently caress do I want all of these new models.

Are these ALEPH 'NCOs' for Steel Phalanx or are they available to Vanilla? They look like Devas.

Edit: The only faction I have no interest in is Ariadna, but even that resolve is crumbling with the Antipodes/Dog Warriors, Wulvers, Highlanders and Spetsnaz.

Squibsy fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jun 2, 2015

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


ineptmule posted:

I'm not even sure I can claim to play this game anymore. My last game was against Genghis Cohen, like two years ago?

But gently caress do I want all of these new models.

Are these ALEPH 'NCOs' for Steel Phalanx or are they available to Vanilla? They look like Devas.
All sculpts in a faction are available to vanilla.


Go play this game.

Squibsy
Dec 3, 2005

Not suited, just booted.
College Slice
Bbbbut I'm spending all my nerd time on Necromunda!

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid
Yeah, apart from not having time to play wargames at all or maybe just x-wing or board games there is no reason not to play this. Get Op:Ice and convince some friends to :getin:

E: I have to admit I never got to try Necromunda and if your group is heavily into a campaign I can see the appeal, but I just can't imagine the (20 year old GW) rule set is even half as good as Infinity.

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Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


ineptmule posted:

Bbbbut I'm spending all my nerd time on Necromunda!
this game is way better dude

has necromundo got sculpts this good, i think not.

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