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Looks like the Republicans are already coming after Hilary's voter registration program, with Kasich and Christie both saying it'll increase voter fraud lol
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Zelder posted:I think he's going to find running for president in 2030 to be extremely difficult. He's factoring in that by then the first debates will be in 2030.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:29
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Professor Funk posted:Rubio scandal list: He is a loving idiot though. site posted:Looks like the Republicans are already coming after Hilary's voter registration program, with Kasich and Christie both saying it'll increase voter fraud lol Christie knows fraud. Fraud is a friend of his,
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Jun 5, 2015 19:29
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site posted:Looks like the Republicans are already coming after Hilary's voter registration program, with Kasich and Christie both saying it'll increase voter fraud lol I suppose it would, if you equate "allowing the working class to vote easier" with "voter fraud".
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Jun 5, 2015 19:40
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Alter Ego posted:I suppose it would, if you equate "allowing the working class to vote easier" with "voter fraud". For more information please refer to: Republican talking points for the past 20 years.
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Jun 5, 2015 20:22
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Professor Funk posted:*crosses fingers* please nobody look at the Louisiana state budget Jindal will just spout out his numbers about how Louisiana grew faster then the national economy. Meanwhile, he'll leave out it was mostly due to two years where oil prices were super high, Katrina and Recession stimulus money was flowing like the Mississippi, and people were still moving back. Meanwhile, there has been little to shore up the states long term economy other than drill baby drill. Clearly, the reason the reason the state is running in the red while most states are running in the green is because the state government isn't small enough yet, and we just haven't lowered taxes enough to get all those good paying jobs for the lower and middle class that would shore up the state budget.
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Jun 5, 2015 20:25
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Holy poo poo  he looks like Charlie Crist.
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Jun 5, 2015 21:09
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neonnoodle posted:For more information please refer to: Republican talking points for the past 20 years. If voting rights became a major subject of the general, I honestly wouldn't mind, especially if I could see Hillary asking Jeb Bush or Scott Walker "Why don't you want more people to vote?" over and over and watching them sputter through their answer while trying to avoid using the words "negroes" or "undesirables".
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Jun 5, 2015 21:10
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Alter Ego posted:If voting rights became a major subject of the general, I honestly wouldn't mind, especially if I could see Hillary asking Jeb Bush or Scott Walker "Why don't you want more people to vote?" over and over and watching them sputter through their answer while trying to avoid using the words "negroes" or "undesirables". Basically. It's not something Republicans particularly want to debate about.
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Jun 5, 2015 21:12
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Chamale posted:Did anyone else notice that Jindal choose a stupid date to announce? On June 24, SCOTUS is expected to rule on either gay marriage or Obamacare subsidies, so Jindal won't get much media attention for his announcement. He was only looking at, maybe, Lincoln Chafee levels of media attention anyway. Speaking of which, did anyone show up when Pataki announced?
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Jun 5, 2015 21:31
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Alter Ego posted:If voting rights became a major subject of the general, I honestly wouldn't mind, especially if I could see Hillary asking Jeb Bush or Scott Walker "Why don't you want more people to vote?" over and over and watching them sputter through their answer while trying to avoid using the words "negroes" or "undesirables". Won't they just parrot a line about wanting to avoid voter registration fraud? Doesn't seem very difficult.
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Jun 5, 2015 21:31
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Sir Kodiak posted:Won't they just parrot a line about wanting to avoid voter registration fraud? Doesn't seem very difficult. Yeah, I don't think broaching the subject would be as toxic as people assume. A pretty good majority of people support Voter ID laws (Fox News poll, so grain of salt, but still), and although I can't find a poll on it, a lot of people seem to be genuinely convinced that voter fraud is a real threat. Besides, it always seemed to me to be an issue solely to gin up the base anyway.
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Uh oh you guys, the dream might be soon coming to an end: http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit..._alert-politics
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I heard them talking about it on Outnumbered, and yeah its just "voter fraud" without anything supporting it. When someone quoted low numbers of voter fraud and said it was a non-issue they just said "those are only the ones you know about." When she said that there are people who don't have ids who don't find the time to get to the booths they just called her a liar. Its just gonna be that effortless dismissal.
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Professor Funk posted:Rubio scandal list: Uh, how come everyone is forgetting the entire "flat out lied about his parents fleeing from Cuba in the middle of the night to escape Castro and the communists" life story, which I vaguely recall helped him get elected in the first place, when in reality his parents left Cuba 3-4 years before Castro came to power?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Basically. It's not something Republicans particularly want to debate about. The fact that Hillary recognizes what a giant win this issue is makes me feel a lot better about her campaign. It completely baffles me that Dems didnt run with this. "voter fraud" is such a flimsy defense against something soooo easy to sell and, more importantly, the right thing to do. I wouldnt even get into the "voter fraud" reeds. Id say "heres the numbers, google it if you need more, whats a bigger problem? This or the mass of people who arent voting?" You can get away with the voter fraud argument now because there isnt enough attention on the issue. If Hillary gets it rolling now people will be saying "enough about fraud, we've seen exactly how often it happens, you have no proof that its happening and not being caught and you spent all of last election looking for them, why wont you let citizens vote?" Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Jun 5, 2015 22:24
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Malloreon posted:Uh, how come everyone is forgetting the entire "flat out lied about his parents fleeing from Cuba in the middle of the night to escape Castro and the communists" life story, which I vaguely recall helped him get elected in the first place, when in reality his parents left Cuba 3-4 years before Castro came to power? They were just Clairvoyant so he inherited their ability to foresee proletarian revolutions.
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Malloreon posted:Uh, how come everyone is forgetting the entire "flat out lied about his parents fleeing from Cuba in the middle of the night to escape Castro and the communists" life story, which I vaguely recall helped him get elected in the first place, when in reality his parents left Cuba 3-4 years before Castro came to power? Or the very brave leadership he showed in standing up to the parties anti-immigrant wing on an issue he was supposed to own so fully it was his ace in the hole for the presidency.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The fact that Hillary recognizes what a giant win this issue is makes me feel a lot better about her campaign. It completely baffles me that Dems didnt run with this. "voter fraud" is such a flimsy defense against something soooo easy to sell and, more importantly, the right thing to do.
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If Bernie ever got close, he'd be ripped apart so easily. Seriously, scratch any Actual Socialist (Democratic or otherwise) in the US and there's someone they're associated with that says Lenin was a hero or defends the Weather Underground. I was a college socialist in DSA (Bernie is/was a member) and every pragmatic discussion always devolved into some bullshit argument about "how we can best agitate for economic planning" or "what can be learned from Trotskyists?" It's stuff that's bad not due to red-baiting, but rather because it's loving stupid.
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comes along bort posted:Uh oh you guys, the dream might be soon coming to an end: That's what they said when Newt's staff all quit around this time in 2011 and look what happened there. I mean, he lost, but uh.
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HFX posted:Jindal will just spout out his numbers about how Louisiana grew faster then the national economy. Meanwhile, he'll leave out it was mostly due to two years where oil prices were super high, Katrina and Recession stimulus money was flowing like the Mississippi, and people were still moving back. Meanwhile, there has been little to shore up the states long term economy other than drill baby drill. He was asked questions pertaining to this on the May 15th Iowa Press. It is an interesting interview. If you watch or listen to it play the "couple of things" drinking game. I would expect variations on the answers below when it came to jobs and what not. quote:Henderson: Governor, you are presiding over a budget which has some difficulty balancing. There is a $1.5 million, billion rather, budget gap. That is not a budget you inherited, that is something you have been managing because you're in your second term. What do you say to critics who are concerned that you had taken so-called rainy day money to pay for ongoing expenses? They also apparently did a Lindsay Graham interview today. I have not had a chance to listen to see if anything pops out. Edit: I also want to add a request if anyone has any great politic shows from there states they listen to or watch could you link them or just post about them. Interested in seeing what candidates say in different states they are campaigning in. Preferably podcast form if possible. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Or the very brave leadership he showed in standing up to the parties anti-immigrant wing on an issue he was supposed to own so fully it was his ace in the hole for the presidency. He also kinda hosed up the Cuba thing.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:
Bush getting the nomination and the GOP still losing Florida would be so loving wonderful. If he can't carry his own state he has no loving prayer in Pennsylvania or Virginia and probably not Ohio depending on how well their voter suppression is going. Lose all of those and the GOP would have to steal California or have an equally large miracle to win. A3th3r posted:as a sincere fan of Rubio I'd say it's not his time to be President..I think he is more of a 2020 or a 2030 president type of guy I also look forward to the 2030 presidential elections. Alter Ego posted:If voting rights became a major subject of the general, I honestly wouldn't mind, especially if I could see Hillary asking Jeb Bush or Scott Walker "Why don't you want more people to vote?" over and over and watching them sputter through their answer while trying to avoid using the words "negroes" or "undesirables". Considering the rear end in a top hat in Florida who's on record saying poo poo like "early voting hurts [the GOP]" it would be beautiful beyond words since Jeb would be trapped. She could spend some time memorizing relevant stats about (lack of) voter fraud and after beating Jeb over the head with that she could end with noting the information's on her campaign site, including links to all the sources for the numbers she gave, and even more info refuting the Fraud Myth. It'd be like if he dared to say that government should stop getting in the way of people's lives and Clinton would just start listing off all the terrible poo poo he did to Terry Schaivo to prolong her suffering.
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Joementum posted:That's what they said when Newt's staff all quit around this time in 2011 and look what happened there. Didn't this happen to John McCain in 2008 too?
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De Nomolos posted:If Bernie ever got close, he'd be ripped apart so easily. It's not really fair to go around equating "College Socialism" with actual working Democratic Socialism. One of these things exists in an academic bubble that has come to serve as a warehouse for surplus labor. The other is an actual functional theory of governance that plays a large role in running most of the countries that people actually want to live in. I went to college later in life, and tried to get involved with the on campus socialist movement. I found that they were mostly wankers. But here's the thing - I don't think it's because they are socialists, I'm pretty sure it's because they're 18-22 year olds with no real world experience. Pick a political movement - Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Socialist - and then add the word "College" to the front of it and no matter what, odds are good that they're all going to be insufferable dumbasses. Bernie's mature enough that he's not sitting around nitpicking whether something fits in with the dialectic perfectly or whatever. He's been legislating in some form or another for a long time and the people of Vermont wouldn't keep sending him back to the office with such overwhelming support (70+%) if he was a collegiate level socialist agitator. He's not going to get "ripped apart" by anyone who isn't already a partisan shill who's opinion isn't worth a turd. Sure, FOX etc will try to nail him at every opportunity, but what's new? That he's associated with Socialists is a forgone conclusion and the question is: Is the left mature enough to just shrug when the red-baiting starts like it's no big deal, or will they panic and start finger pointing and denying? If nothing else, I'm glad of Bernie in this race because it means that I can say "I'm a Socialist" and actually have a candidate that reflects those ideas.
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comes along bort posted:Uh oh you guys, the dream might be soon coming to an end: The main thing I took away from this article titled "Ben Carson’s campaign faces turmoil after staff exits and super PAC chaos" is that the staff quit to move to a new Super PAC and that it's pretty drat obvious that organizing and working for a Super PAC pays better than actually working for the candidate. A question though, how does the Carson campaign trying to get one of the Super PACs to shut down or have all three merge into one not constitute coordination?
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Flipping through CSPAN last I discovered that in light of his staff quitting, Jim Webb's new campaign strategy is to give boring as gently caress interviews on Chinese foreign relations to CSPAN.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Considering the rear end in a top hat in Florida who's on record saying poo poo like "early voting hurts [the GOP]" it would be beautiful beyond words since Jeb would be trapped. She could spend some time memorizing relevant stats about (lack of) voter fraud and after beating Jeb over the head with that she could end with noting the information's on her campaign site, including links to all the sources for the numbers she gave, and even more info refuting the Fraud Myth. Being in the right on numbers that are hard to prove and easy to dismiss isn't much of an advantage. And nobody is going to go look up numbers on her website.
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Sir Kodiak posted:And nobody is going to go look up numbers on her website. Seriously. Making part of your speech saying "go to my website to see facts" is lol
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Flipping through CSPAN last I discovered that in light of his staff quitting, Jim Webb's new campaign strategy is to give boring as gently caress interviews on Chinese foreign relations to CSPAN. Catchin' on, etc.
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Jon Fishman, the drummer from Phish, has endorsed Bernie Sanders for President.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Being in the right on numbers that are hard to prove and easy to dismiss isn't much of an advantage. And nobody is going to go look up numbers on her website. Maybe but I'd rather be the candidate saying look it up than the one saying trust me the numbers are a false flag op by invisible Mexicans.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:
Ignoring the weed here for a sec, is this just favourability? Still, Hillary's up on Jeb by almost 20 points in Ohio. That's a paddlin'.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Maybe but I'd rather be the candidate sahing look it up than the one saying trust me the numbers are a false flag op by invisible Mexicans. I'd rather be the candidate making the easy emotional appeal – don't let undesirables illegally corrupt our elections – than someone arguing the facts at all.
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radical meme posted:The main thing I took away from this article titled "Ben Carson’s campaign faces turmoil after staff exits and super PAC chaos" is that the staff quit to move to a new Super PAC and that it's pretty drat obvious that organizing and working for a Super PAC pays better than actually working for the candidate. You see... It works like this. No one is going to enforce the law, so who gives a gently caress. See also Jeb Bush and his "I am running... Er.. Totally not running for president."
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Sir Kodiak posted:I'd rather be the candidate making the easy emotional appeal – don't let undesirables illegally corrupt our elections – than someone arguing the facts at all. The two arent mutually exclusive. At least in places other than d&d. "These fuckers are trying to stop you from voting" is an emotional appeal and one they already know needles the GOP. The fact that reality agrees and you can say theres proof isnt a hindrance.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The two arent mutually exclusive. At least in places other than d&d. "These fuckers are trying to stop you from voting" is an emotional appeal and one they already know needles the GOP. The fact that reality agrees and you can say theres proof isnt a hindrance. My guess would be that anyone willing to believe the GOP is trying to stop them from voting wasn't going to vote for them in the first place. Whereas Hillary may well attempt to appeal to people who have at least one group of undesirables they're willing to demonize.
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